Phoronix IRC Log: 2008-10-12
mydrmeix: i have a crash with nvidia and my mobo with ETQW
rski: i wonder how long a game like crysis would take to compile
Ivanovic: what do you call as compiling?
Ivanovic: just the c++ code to binary form?
Ivanovic: or rendering of models and stuff like this, too?
rski: c++ ->binary
GNU\colossus: the engine probably isn't THAT huge
Roberth: when final fedora 10 is release do fedora 10 beta users need to reinstall?
rski: also that question is best asked in #fedora
Deanjo: giggles as he reads that Windows 7 will be available in 32-bit as well now
Lightkey: those poor RAM manufacturers
Deanjo: Ya, the last 32-bit proc was made what 3 years ago?
Erektium: when will 32-bit os's die
Deanjo: So you add on another 3 years to the expected release date of it, that means that MS is assuming that people will want to buy and install it onto a 6 year old machine
maligor: afaik there's still a market for <286 :P
Deanjo: Who know's Erektium, when you got crap companies like Adobe still making their plug-ins and such 32-bit only
maligor: and I think some "value" models might lack the 64bit features
Deanjo: All procs introduced from intel and AMD have had 64-bit instructions for the last 3 years maligor
Deanjo: The original Core and Pentium M were the last of the holdouts
maligor: isn't macosx also available for 32bit procs
maligor: I think the early macbooks were intel core?
Deanjo: Yes, OSX is a hybrid OS
maligor: Deanjo, and that isn't exactly accurate
maligor: Probably the most famous example would be Intel Atom
Deanjo: The Atom has 64-bit intruction set
maligor: no, they don't all have it
maligor: the intel processor finder says N and Z models don't
maligor: 270 and 330 do
Deanjo: The 230 does as well, they all do
Deanjo: Their product finder is dumb
Deanjo: EMT64 shown as present on the 230 as well
maligor: oh, yeah, sorry, 230 and 330 have
maligor: the rest of them, which are models starting with N and Z, don't list EM64T support
Deanjo: Ahh, OK.
Deanjo: Still are you going to try to run Vista/Windows 7 on a atom?
maligor: all the boards I see have 230 and 330, maybe they're for embedded systems only
maligor: Windows 7 might work
maligor: but I don't really have much interest in Intel atom
maligor: that is, windows 7 might work if they actually make it any lighter than vista
maligor: knowing microsoft, it might not happen
Deanjo: Windows 7 isn't the major overhaul that Vista was
Deanjo: Hell it still won't have WinFS
maligor: they should just license a real filesystem from ibm or sgi
Deanjo: Or Reiser :P
Deanjo: Ahh if they wanted to, they could simply buy Sun and snap up ZFS
maligor: and get Java as a bonus
Deanjo: There are rumors that Apple is looking into buying out Sun
Deanjo: Either of them have easily enough reserves on hand that they could buyout @ 2:1 and still have a shitload in the piggy bank
maligor: not a good option
Deanjo: Hell Google could do it as well
maligor: google would be a good option
maligor: but their interests might be a bit off the target with java
Deanjo: Heh, I'm not so sure about that. Google's monopoly is too big as it is
maligor: just saw some of the most annoying flash ads, ever actually, it had a windows dialog window mockup that was moving superspeed and bleeping
maligor: Atleast google hasn't done that yet ;)
Deanjo: The hammer also has yet to come down between Novell and Sun as well
Deanjo: Novell is in a pretty good position to put the squeeze on Sun if they choose after the SCO fiasco
maligor: what about?
Deanjo: Over solaris
maligor: sun doesn't have a license?
Deanjo: From SCO, which is null and void
maligor: I guess they'd have to sue SCO to get their money back to pay Novell ;)
maligor: might be a tad futile tho
Deanjo: If Novell squeezed, Sun would have a tough time fighting it
Deanjo: I'd settle for them settling on putting out Solaris code as GPL :D
Lightkey: no, from what I understood, SCO does have the right to relicence Unix, they just do not own the copyright on it, there is a difference
Deanjo: GPL2 would be my preference maligor
Deanjo: Lightkey, Sun was Licencing Unix from SCO for Unix IP. They were paying the wrong entitity as Novell owns that IP.
Deanjo: However, Novell has already said that they would not go after Sun or IBM and the rest
Deanjo: They just wanted to crush SCO and I would have to say that Novell probably has the most competent legal crew in the industry
Deanjo: I honestly can't remember them ever losing a case
maligor: maybe that's because they don't go in when there's doubt
Ivanovic: IIRC novell, sun and ibm even agreed to some patent sharing stuff
maligor: patents != copyright, mhm
Ivanovic: the stuff of the good old "one attacks one of us, all of us go against this one"
Deanjo: Ya, those three seem to have a pretty good relationship
Lightkey: strange, the intel Core CPUs were only sold half a year before Core 2 came
Lightkey: but nevertheless, they were introduced in 2006 and were still 32-bit :p
Lightkey: and believe it or not, I looked at some ad earlier that had Atom computers with Vista installed
maligor: yeah, I think I've seen vista basic
Deanjo: How much you want to bet that there will be a "netbook" version of Windows 7
Lightkey: I would prefer there will be none
Deanjo: Windows 7 CE :P
Deanjo: Netbooks are just too small for me
Lightkey: you can also thank microsoft for that because they only sell XP for netbooks below 10" and up to 160 GB HDD anymore
Deanjo: Na it's more of a physical size thing for me
Lightkey: I mean that there are some installing Vista on them
Deanjo: At one time they had wristwatch TV's too but there gets to be a point where the reduction in the size of a device starts making it too small for regular use.
maligor: desktop are faster and netbooks are smaller
Deanjo: Everyone has their "breaking point" on what they are willing to sacrifice
maligor: ofcourse I didn't really bother with them
Deanjo: Hell, there are millions of laptops out there that have never been moved off a desk and never have ran off battery power.
maligor: desktop laptops are just a waste
maligor: cheaper to get a real computer, and it'll be faster too
Lightkey: they are called Desktop Replacements :->
Deanjo: But people buy them for "the portabilty" even though they never use it as such and could have gotten twice the speced out desktop for 1/2 the price
Lightkey: too bad there are not many of them, that is exactly what I would want
Deanjo: A laptop could never replace my desktop needs
Lightkey: desktop replacements have desktop hardware
Deanjo: To a point
Lightkey: what are you missing?
Deanjo: Still usually limited in storage, memory, processor speed
Deanjo: (not to mention display)
Lightkey: oh, I did not even think about a high-end gaming machine, the last I bought was ten years ago ;-)
Deanjo: and you can't readily upgrade items such as video card or any other typical addin card
Deanjo: A desktop allows easier "incremental" upgrades. Even with a complete change in MB/CPU and Ram you can still reuse most of your old system
maligor: you can get tiny SFF cases these days too
Deanjo: My main desktop has slowly morphed over the years from a K6-3 to a quad core sli setup lol
maligor: Lightkey, just get a SFF Case
maligor: if you want a tiny syste,
Lightkey: Deanjo: I am upgrading my big tower K6-2 to a Phenom system myself :-)
Deanjo: I've got a old Tandy 1000 Case that I want to pimp out to a quad core too :P
maligor: something like that
Lightkey: I wish AMD were selling a Phenom X4 with <50 W
maligor: yeah, I'm waiting for deneb
Deanjo: I'll go deneb a few months after they are introduced
maligor: that case has a 200W PSU, so a 140W Phenom would be a bit high :P
Deanjo: more then likely wait for the second stepping of it
maligor: hmm.. that asus case would make a nice htpc
maligor: assuming one could find TV Cards that are supported with pci-e, and ati fixes xvideo someday :P
Deanjo: There are PCI-e tv cards out there
Deanjo: lots of them actually
maligor: yeah, but support is a bit flaky
Deanjo: my happauge 1600 works ok for analogue
maligor: like the wiki not mentioning any supported cards for DVB-S
maligor: or DVB-S2
maligor: DVB-T has two hauppauge cards listed
Deanjo: That wiki is out of date all too often
Deanjo: I find the various satellite hacking forums more useful then the wiki most of the time
maligor: http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?modelmenu=1&model=2095&l1=1&l2=2&l3=407&l4=0 is interesting also
Plouj: reflectoporn: http://www.phoronix.net/image.php?id=ecs_790gx&image=ecs_790gx_bios5_lrg
Lightkey: omg is that... goatse?!
Deanjo: lol, I can't believe MaximumPC even mentioned the new wall paper for ubuntu, as if it was a "feature"