Ivanovic: moin
Ivanovic: michaellarabel: btw, harddrive info is now looking rather sane over here
Ivanovic: that is: Disk: 200GB Maxtor 6B200M0 + 1000GB SAMSUNG HD103UJ + 250GB SAMSUNG SP2514N
michaellarabel: Great
Ivanovic: confess: you hardcoded those drives in, so that the testcase gives correct results
Ivanovic: ;)
michaellarabel: Yep, that's the secret, all hardware information is hardcoded :P
Ivanovic: sounds very reasonable
Erektium: michaellarabel, latest git doesn't detect my motherboard and chipset correctly
michaellarabel: Erektium: what is the output?
Ivanovic: Erektium: gentoo?
Ivanovic: running as normal user?
Erektium: Motherboard: Club-3D BV, Chipset: AMD K8
Ivanovic: then the progs are just not in your bin path
Erektium: i'm using ubuntu 8.04
michaellarabel: Erektium, can you pastebin your lshal and lspci output?
Ivanovic: try to do the bad thing and run as root
Ivanovic: might be that you will get the output then
michaellarabel: Ivanovic: No it won't, on Ubuntu at least it won't make any difference.
Ivanovic: that is: on gentoo lshal and lspci are *not* normal userspace progs but intended as "root only"
Erektium: i'll post them
michaellarabel: Right, but not for Ubuntu :)
Erektium: http://pastebin.com/m3fbe722d
michaellarabel: and are you using 1.4.0a2 / git?
Erektium: http://pastebin.com/m1b2c8dd4
Erektium: yep
Erektium: well I downloaded it like 10min ago
Erektium: git
michaellarabel: That's fine.
michaellarabel: What is outputted for your motherboard currently
Erektium: umm.. I posted above
Erektium: or did you fix something already?
Ivanovic: michaellarabel: i got to agree with mgc8 on this... http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?p=48140#post48140
michaellarabel: doh, yeah
michaellarabel: Ivanovic: I agree with him to on the proper way to do it, but I am just after conserving time
Ivanovic: but, uhm, in how far are you conserving time?
Ivanovic: you could just shutdown xorg and edit the file, then reboot
Ivanovic: takes basically the same time as just editing and pulling the plug
michaellarabel: When I work 80~90+ hours a week, any amount of time saved is worthwhile.
michaellarabel: Erektium: I should have a motherboard fix in a minute
Erektium: ok =)
michaellarabel: Erektium: Try again
Erektium: ok just a sec
Erektium: yep. motherboard is correct
Milyardo: Screen Resolution: Unknown :(
michaellarabel: Milyardo: is that a regression?
Milyardo: Well... I did execute that through SSH this time if matters
Erektium: Hardware: Processor: AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core 3800+ @ 2.00GHz (Total Cores: 2), Motherboard: ASUS M2N-E, Chipset: AMD K8, System Memory: 2025MB, Disk: 80GB ST380815AS + 160GB ST3160811AS, Graphics: RADEON X800 GTO 256MB, Screen Resolution: 1280x1024
Milyardo: I wonder what happens if I use ssh -X...
michaellarabel: Milyardo: For xrandr it does
michaellarabel: Erektium: Try again for Chipset
Erektium: ok
Milyardo: Screen Resolution: 1280x1024
Milyardo: Which is the resultion on my workstation here at work, not on my computer at home where it was executed
Erektium: Chipset: nVidia MCP55 Memory Controller
Erektium: ;S
michaellarabel: Great. Now in the next update it will remove the "Memory Controller" part
Erektium: =)
Ivanovic: http://pastebin.com/m3cbbf698
Ivanovic: output on my system with lspci and lshal explicitly available (symlinking is nice ;) )
Milyardo: Nice rig Ivanovic, puts mine to shame
Ivanovic: works nicely, too
Ivanovic: i just muss video acceleration in the open graphics drivers for r6xx+
Ivanovic: s/muss/miss
Ivanovic: once i got this (and tv-out support ;) ) i am really satisfied
Ivanovic: atm i can not watch any movie at fullscreen, the cpu is too slow to do the scaling/rendering stuff without any hardware help
Ivanovic: i am just able to resize vids up to about 1400x900 as long as i am in software mode only...
Milyardo: Sounds like what you need is some sort of Matrix Math coprocessor that can handle the procsessing of videos and graphics much more effiently than your CPU
Milyardo: :)
Milyardo: drivers for it would be nice too
Ivanovic: or just textured video support for r6xx chips in the open source drivers
Ivanovic: ;)
Milyardo: I still don't know why proprietary drivers exist, for nothing other than anti-competative attemps to vendor lock-in
Milyardo: both ATi and nVidia should compete on the basis of selling better hardware than the other
Milyardo: We should start a One Driver to Rule them All campaign
Roberth: Milyardo: that would be a very large and bloated driver
Milyardo: :)
Milyardo: Couldn't be any more bloated then the closed source ones are already j/k
Milyardo: Besides, I just want to run around shouting One Driver To Rule Them All
Deanjo: Wow does MotionDSP's video enhancement ever work nice.
maligor: I wonder if that's just per frame unsharp masks or real multi-frame resolution rebuilders
Deanjo: Heh, I can tell that this is going to be a popular software for cam movie pirates.
Deanjo: at least I got a email from one of their reps asking what editors I use in linux from them. It's nice to see that there maybe potential there,
Deanjo: Yay!!! finally. A kernel patch has been submitted to cure the annoying "attempt to access beyond end of device" when setting up more then 1 raid set in dmraid.
Deanjo: crosses his fingers hoping it makes it into 2.6.27 final
Deanjo: hmmm, Linux HD Video Player on a netbook...... what is wrong with this picture?
Deanjo: "Lets gobble up 1/2 our harddrive space with HD video so we can play in on a device that does not display HD resolutions......"
redeeman: it can display higher resolution than dvd
Deanjo: It still cannot display either of the standard HD res's unless you consider 480P HD
Milyardo: That and if it includes wireless N it can stream HD content from some sort of SAN
Milyardo: or NAS
Deanjo: If I'm gonna be hooked up to a NAS I can guarantee you that I'll be using a TV to watch HD content and not a netbook
Deanjo: 7" screen vs 40"+ screen hmmmmm
maligor: Deanjo, depends on the netbook
Deanjo: Even @ 9 or 10"
maligor: could be a really highres screen
maligor: anyway, there is such a thing as external displays
maligor: atleast the atoms would probably scream in terror if you handed it 720p tho
Deanjo: Having to cable anything to a netbook sort of defeats their whole purpose
maligor: yeah, I know.. I want massive magnetic fields too, so i can charge stuff remotely
Deanjo: Could never understand people buying video cables for their ipod either. Didn't see much purpose in hooking up an iPod to a TV to watch video when purchasing the cable to do so is generally more expensive then a cheap divx player nowdays.
maligor: oh... proprietary cable?
Deanjo: Yes and no, it's the same cable that many video cameras use for composite out
maligor: the jack plug?
Deanjo: Ya it uses the minijack
Deanjo: 4 connector head on it
maligor: I only have mono plugs it seems
Deanjo: Ground, Composite,Left and Right Audio
maligor: but it's not a video camera
maligor: only has composite
Deanjo: Of course with the price with some of these netbooks you might as well get a full fledge portable
maligor: yeah, I want a cheap arm netbook
maligor: or mips
Deanjo: Even @ $400 you can get a decent regular portable that skins the netbooks alive in performance
Deanjo: I need coffee, brb
maligor: well, the idea is portability
maligor: laptop is a stupid formfactor
maligor: it's sort of an attempt at desktop size but in carry format
maligor: fails at both
Deanjo: If the macbook air was around the $700 mark it would be the perfect form factor for me
Deanjo: It fills all my requirements for a portable except for price
Deanjo: and a second trackpad button :P
Deanjo: I used to shudder everytime I heard some guy trying to use FCP on them
Deanjo: I'll have to wait until the 14th to see what the new Apple portables look like. Might have to pick up a new Macbook
Invert314: anyone here tried the 177.70 nvidia driver release?
Deanjo: You mean 177.80
Deanjo: Yes
Invert314: yes Deanjo
Invert314: sp
Invert314: Deanjo, is FF still slow as molasses or has 2D rendering been fixed?
Invert314: that is, when using c-f
Deanjo: No issues with speed here
Invert314: sweet
Invert314: Deanjo, which gfx card? 8k or 9k series?
Deanjo: 8800GT's
Invert314: nice
Deanjo: Modifying your userContent.css in FF can make scolling issues disappear too
Deanjo: Just add this to it
Deanjo: * {
Deanjo: background-attachment: scroll !important;
Deanjo: }
Invert314: ty Deanjo, i'll make a quick blog post about, so I can try it when I have some spare time in a few weeks =D
Deanjo: no problem
Invert314: *about that
Deanjo: Since modifying the userContent.css I haven't come across a site that has a choppy or slow scroll
Deanjo: Heh I see nvidia is about to announce their answer to the 4870x2
Deanjo: Still amazes me that video card manufacturers put their circuitry on the wrong friggen side of the cards
Kano: hi, did somebody notic how broken gspca is with 2.6.27?
Kano: it does not work correctly for some webcams and can even lead to system lock on bootup...
Deanjo: Ya, I noticed that Kano
Kano: thats really crap this way as the old gspca does not compile
Deanjo: Thought it was maybe a opensuse 11.1 beta issue but you've just confirmed that it's not
Kano: same effect you should have got with ubuntu
Deanjo: Wouldn't know, I have too much pride to run ubuntu :P
Kano: well i test it, also noticed a nv oss driver bug with it. the kernel i use with slightly differnt config (i enable vesafb) on kanotix too
Kano: did you try using a g92 chip with vga analog monitor
Kano: i only got black screen with that
Deanjo: The 8800GT's are working fine here on analog monitors
Kano: well not here, 8800 gts 512
Deanjo: (finally can actually finish the suse installer with multiple cards in the system without X screeching to a halt trying to figure out what card to setup)
Kano: Deanjo: i talk about nv oss not nvidia binary nor vesa driver
Deanjo: Oh never use the nv oss
Kano: boot ubuntu 8.10, if you get blackscreen then see the bug confirmed ;)
Deanjo: K, I'll download ubuntu and try it out for ya later tonight
Kano: what i did then was: crtl-alt-f1 and then i ran my script
Kano: http://kanotix.com/files/install-nvidia-debian.sh
Kano: then the binary driver was loaded and everything worked...
Kano: but thats not really the way a live cd should work
Deanjo: Gotta test some patches for the dmraid issue anyways tonight. Might as well check your issue as well at the same time.
Kano: where do you get dmraid patches from?
Deanjo: Well it's not actually a dmraid issue but it cures the annoying attempting to access beyond device errors http://lkml.org/lkml/2008/10/9/219
Deanjo: It's just easily reproduced with dmraid
Deanjo: Hopefully it makes it into the final 2.6.27
Kano: well there is another problem with dmraid, my dmraid partition is when i call fdisk -l on it bigger than it is accessable
Kano: the last partition is +1 bigger than available
Kano: one cylinder more
Deanjo: Is that using dmraid on your primary volumes or on a volume setup as a secondary?
Kano: well i created that with windows, 3 hds
Kano: and linux is on another hd
Kano: ich9r
Deanjo: I only get that attempting to access beyond device error when a second raid set is setup
Deanjo: on only the second raid set
Kano: on nvidia i saw that not from dmraid but because of hal
Kano: because hal tried to identify partitions
Deanjo: 1 raid set works fine but more then one raid set it screamed those errors
Kano: and on some _single_ hds you find a partition table too
Kano: and those are accessed by hal, that "error" can be ignored
Deanjo: Ya, ignored is fine but it makes one hell of a mess in the logs
Kano: but the error i mean is more critical when there are partitions which can not be access fully
Kano: directly on the dev/mapper one
Deanjo: Here is the weird thing though Kano. I notice that if you setup two linux installs on separate raids, you can mount both raids cleanly without those error messages screaming
Kano: Deanjo: check fdisk -l, as soon as you find single hd with a partition table you get the error when hal tries em
Kano: usally everytime when some gui tries to access volumes
Deanjo: I have a earlier fdisk -l when I had it setup http://pastebin.com/m5247503
Kano: that was ul or
Kano: usally you see the error with -l more eas
Deanjo: and the corresponding dmsetup table http://pastebin.com/m174a12ca
Kano: Deanjo: fdisk -l on the device without part
Kano: is what i checked
Deanjo: I'll have to reset it up first Kano. Moving stuff off the mdraid as we speak first.
Deanjo: I've had this bug open since March :S
Kano: the fully crap with that gspca bug is when you need a dvb-t device that works fine with 2.6.27
Kano: but when you compile the hg driver on 2.6.26 then this driver hangs up sooner or later
Kano: so what do you want? dvb-t or webcam...
Deanjo: Had to battle the usual "use mdraid, at least we can support that" crap first when I filed that bug
Deanjo: hates when politics get involved with bugs
maligor: "Our software is Bug Free(tm), as promised. That is a feature"?
Deanjo: lol
Deanjo: As far as I'm concerned, if you include a feature in your software, you should accept and attempt to resolve bugs of that feature when reported
Deanjo: Besides, dmraid does have it's advantages over mdraid
Deanjo: multiple os support for one.
Deanjo: michaellarabel, you around?
redeeman: lol, but fakeraid is so ugly and repugnant
redeeman: it ought to be forbidden to implement
Deanjo: pssht, it has it's uses
redeeman: it sure does, now lots of weird motherboards can put out in big fat letters "WE HAVE RAID!!! LOOK AT US!"
michaellarabel: Deanjo; Hi
Deanjo: it works, it does it's job redeeman
maligor: redeeman, you mean all motherboards claim raid
Deanjo: Quick question michaellarabel, what LCD display is that you have in your pictures on your computer case
Deanjo: Is it a matrox orbital?
Deanjo: *matrix orbital
michaellarabel: Which case?
Deanjo: http://www.phoronix.net/image.php?id=amd_multiview&image=amd_multiview_screen1 <---- that blue one
michaellarabel: I have had a Matrix Orbital before, but I am not aware of any LCD displays on my current cases.
michaellarabel: where? what case?
Deanjo: That blue backlit one in the pic
michaellarabel: The blue backlight is the monitor power button
Deanjo: WTH? photobucket got highjacked?
Deanjo: here is the one I'm talking about michaellarabel. I circled it http://img61.imageshack.us/my.php?image=imagephptq5.jpg
michaellarabel: That's the monitor saying "Input Not Supported"
Deanjo: Oh, lol
Deanjo: Thought it was a pretty beefy nice looking LCD
copper: hahahaha http://machinadynamica.com/machina31.htm
Deanjo: You didn't know that trick? :P
copper: I'm losing my sanity
Deanjo: Na, you lost that a long time ago
Deanjo: I read the "copper goes nuts" thread on slashdot
copper: What's seriously disturbing to me, is that there is no end to audiophiles' insanity
redeeman: yes but theres far more disturbing thing in this world
copper: I mean, they have no reference systems/components/whatever
copper: AMD SUCKS
redeeman: how could they have "reference" systems when it's ultimately left up to individual taste?
Deanjo: I hear pouring liquid drano into your ear canal helps with combating natural hearing loss
copper: You can't go to them, tell them you just bought $50k worth of audio equipment with electrostatic phones, tube amps and whatnot, and expect them to say "you have the ultimate audiophile system"
Deanjo: Pffft if your speakers are under 100k per pair and don't come with a factory engineer to set them up your just a "hobbiest"
redeeman: most would probably be shit jealous and say it's crap just in spite
copper: they'll always come back to you and ask "hey, have you tried the $1,000 Holy Water-lubricated silver interconnects?"
redeeman: lol $1000? you would be surprised what their "holy" stuff costs
copper: nah I know the prices are high, I just don't care to remember them exactly
redeeman: you can get cables that cost $10000 easily
Deanjo: Alpine used to sell "directional" patch cables
redeeman: rofl yes deanjo
redeeman: that's so fun
Deanjo: I just about pissed my pants when they came out with that laughing so hard when I saw them.
copper: I'd just like them to explain to me how come mere headphone amps cost more than state of the art, rocket science 45nm CPUs
copper: I mean, when you open the shit, it's just a chip and a few resistors/capacitors
Deanjo: Because they can and cater to egos
copper: no no I want *their* explanation
Deanjo: perceived value
copper: I'm just too scared of getting banned from head-fi.org
redeeman: that's easy copper
redeeman: they sell far fewer numbers of those expensive things than a state of the art cpu
redeeman: and as such production goes far up
redeeman: you can buy a state of the art 45nm cpu for about the same cost you can talk to me an hour on phone
copper: still, there's a big difference between 100-200 bucks for handcraftship and the $1,000 they sell their amps at
redeeman: in that sense, the 45nm cpu is fucking cheap
copper: (and I'm only talking about solid state amps here)
redeeman: 200 is quite cheap
copper: redeeman: we already know telcos are crooks
Deanjo: Oh Lord here is another "directional" patch cable claim https://www.crutchfield.com/S-mtTdOP4PeIJ/App/Product/Item/Main.aspx?i=703KC2MR&tab=detailed_info
redeeman: what i find most funny, is that some of the REALLY expensive shit is not even the best there is
Deanjo: "Directionality: The cables are directional, and should be connected in the direction of the signal flow (i.e. from the CD player to the amplifier). The RCA plugs are marked with arrows on each end to indicate the intended signal direction. When connected in the proper direction, the music becomes more relaxed, pleasant, and accurate."
redeeman: someone should sue them for that
Deanjo: lol, what a load of horseshit
redeeman: they deserve to be put out to live on the streets
copper: I don't understand such madness, and that bugs me
redeeman: but the thing is
redeeman: they undoubtedly sell more because of it
redeeman: because these days people are encouraged to be stupid
redeeman: by deanjo
redeeman: and people like him
copper: Deanjo: at least they're pretty :P
copper: is their left cable white?
Deanjo: No idea
copper: should be
copper: that would be neat
Deanjo: I make my own cables that are blessed by 68th level dwarves
copper: heresy
redeeman: my cables are blessed by me
redeeman: spending so much money on cables as some people do is simply insane
copper: me I'm happy, I got rid of my headphone cable extension and adaptator, thanks to my new sound card
Deanjo: Then they are sent to MIT for NASA approval for potential use on future time portal project.
copper: that's when I realized the extension cable was naked on one spot (the rubber had been ripped off)
copper: damn it, that's "adapter"
copper: fucking french ("adaptateur")
redeeman: lol yes fucking french
Deanjo: Of course they have to be soldered using a "unatainium alloy" in a zero G environment on the 3rd Sunday of every leap year
copper: I just realized… since their silver interconnects are so awesome just because they say so, I guess my Edirol UA-4FX + Sennheiser HD555 qualifies as audio bliss, since I say so.
copper: wow I feel so warm and fuzzy right now
Deanjo: Shouldn't pee you pants copper
copper: has sex with his Edirol
copper: hmmm, apparently gamers aren't exempt: http://techreport.com/discussions.x/15664
Deanjo: You mean you don't use pure silver pc interconnects on your system? :O
Deanjo: It get's minimum a gain of 7 fps in Crysis
copper: I know, I'm such a loser
Deanjo: has lost all respect for copper now
Deanjo: I suppose you don't even have a handcrafted by Tibetan monks UPS
copper: No.
Deanjo: tsk, tsk....
Deanjo: You should get one, just make sure it was QC'd by inspector 38
Deanjo: recalls a Best Buy sales dude claiming that the phone connectors on a powerbar were to stop hackers.
copper: a powerbar?
copper: hey apple dude
copper: what's Apple up to
Deanjo: Heh, I haven't worked for them for 3 weeks now.
copper: that's your cover?
Deanjo: Hardware wise your guess is as good as mine nowdays.
Deanjo: I can only make educated guesses as to their plans now for hardware
copper: I'm thinking, a quantum Cube⁴ PowerMac
copper: Sorry, that would be Cube 2: Hypercube
copper: or "iQube" maybe
Deanjo: I wouldn't be surprised to see a major hardware updates on the MacPro and portables on the 14th
copper: You just read the news.
Deanjo: i7 MacPro could be very well a reality
Deanjo: Most of the speculation has focused on a revamp of the portables
Milyardo: Too bad I won't be able to afford one :(
Deanjo: Possibly new displays as well
Milyardo: I think the portables will come first
Deanjo: If intel is planning to officially release the i7's this quarter I would have to say that a revamped MacPro is a extremely likely candidate seeing that Apple gets first shot at the highest performing intel chips
Deanjo: The new Macbooks having a real GPU is almost a given though with 10.6 being scheduled for release in the early new year.
copper: rumors say november 17 for Core i7 launch
Deanjo: The displays are loooooooong overdue for a refresh.
copper: fuck LCD, I'll upgrade when OLED comes
Deanjo: Oled still has a few quirks that has to be worked out such as the fast deterioration of blue
copper: I know, it's still a few years off
copper: "Lossless = Lossless. At least in theory. The only difference between apple lossless and wav is that apple lossless uses sort of a variable bit rate to keep the file size down and wav doesn't. […] I personally find wav a tad more dynamic than apple lossless but that's just me. Again, theoretically there's no difference."
copper: wth?
copper: The Earth is round. At least in theory. Personally I think it's rather flat, but that's just me.
Deanjo: lol
Deanjo: I bet my water is wetter then yours too
Darklock: copper: nice rhyme :-)
copper: it's as if they're actively looking for differences, everywhere
Deanjo: "The file extension difference results in a much better signal to noise ratio....."
Deanjo: "Using lowercase labeling in the file name results in a audible difference between waves...."
copper: Should they be allowed to vote?
Deanjo: I think when it comes to politics your screwed no matter how you vote lol
copper: Does a voting citizen have a moral right to be irrational?
copper: That sounded a bit holier-than-thou, didn't it…
copper: "what's the clearest sounding digital cable i can get for under or equal to 200$ ?"
copper: head - wall - banging
Deanjo: Makes you want to grab a bunch of $3 cables and repackage them with a $200 price tag doesn't it
Milyardo: I'd do it if such a practice wouldn't make me suck to my stomach
Milyardo: and thats proboly why I'm a Comp Sci major and not CIS
Exopaladin: yeah, it's fairly tempting to do so, I'm sure there's plenty of morons on ebay that would pay if you bought cheap optical cable and covered it in glitter or something :P
Milyardo: Did something happen to thw Widget Plugin on Intrepid?
Milyardo: I filed a bug, if any can confirm it'd be appreciated. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/281043