Ivanovic: moin
starkmjolk: morning
Marox: moin
michaellarabel: Hi
Marox: where those binary broadcom wlan drivers for linux available in the past ?
Marox: http://www.broadcom.com/support/802.11/linux_sta.php
Marox: *were
michaellarabel: Anyone here quite experienced with advanced SVG options?
thalin: anybody know if the Ibex Beta has the intel nic fix?
thalin: answer: no
Milyardo: How card would a Nvidia 7950Gx2 compare to a current generation single card?
Deanjo: Close to a 8800GT, it really depends on the application your trying to run as well
Milyardo: Cool
Deanjo: Of course DX10 and such is a no go on the 7950
Milyardo: And that matters to us why? :D
Deanjo: Well you might have limited OGL feature set with the new version
Milyardo: I have someone who id going to give me a 7950Gx2 for free, I just wondered if it was worth trying the card out or just buying a 4850 or 4870
Deanjo: Hell for that price you can't complain
Milyardo: and its pretty hard to beat free
Deanjo: It's at least worth every penny :P
Milyardo: http://zilog.ath.cx/phpsysinfo
Milyardo: Now all I need is more RAM
Deanjo: It's just like I've never met a free beer I couldn't tolerate
Milyardo: :P
Milyardo: <--- not quote onld enough to drink
Milyardo: only 19 :(
GNU\colossus: US citizen or what?
Deanjo: What board do you have Milyardo ?
maligor: central europe has beer 16, strong at 18
maligor: north is 18 and 20
Milyardo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130165R&nm_mc=TEMC-RMA-Approvel&cm_mmc=TEMC-RMA-Approvel-_-Content-_-text-_-
maligor: you should move away from land of beer oppression
redeeman: maligor: you can buy all alcohol in denmark when you are 16 i believe
maligor: ah, well, I based by definition on finland and france
redeeman: well.. you can certainly buy younger, but the law :P
maligor: had a schooltrip to paris when I was *cough* 18
redeeman: allthough it has become a tad more strict as of late, our stores don't really care
Milyardo: My board is nothign special :(
maligor: your board?
maligor: Special boards have SAS integrated
Deanjo: I was just wondering which one it was Milyardo. I see it's a 8200 board
Milyardo: yeah, bout it open box on $40
Milyardo: *only
maligor: well, it looks decent enough
maligor: pretty standard matx stuff
Deanjo: is going to kill some opensuse devels
maligor: I've actually never seen any fantastic matx boards
Milyardo: I thought I would make a great transition for a full sized ATX board with a faster FSB
Deanjo: pulseaudio needed for thunderbird....WTF
Milyardo: lol
maligor: I'd move to matx if I was getting a new system
maligor: and maybe a Antec Mini P180
Deanjo: I couldn't survive on matx. Too many add-in cards
maligor: yeah, I have one
maligor: well, two
maligor: but the other is the graphics card
maligor: the other is the soundcard
Deanjo: In fact I actually want larger boards with more slots
maligor: Try IBM
maligor: They'll probably even design you one if they don't have one to go ;)
maligor: with 64 POWER5 or something included
Deanjo: I need Uber-ATX form factors :P
maligor: what do you stuff in them?
Deanjo: Let's see, 3 graphic cards, soundcard, satellite card, raid cards
maligor: and with ATX;, I bet you'd want 7 PCI-e 16x
maligor: full electrical too
Deanjo: Na I could make do with 5 PCI-e 16 and 2 PCI
maligor: 112 lanes
Deanjo: And for the love of God I hope they start putting more then 6 sata on mb's soon
Milyardo: lol
maligor: Deanjo, and integrated Adaptec SAS?
maligor: with full hw raid
Milyardo: RAID 50 ftw
GNU\colossus: Deanjo: 12 sata devices should suffice for pretty much any application I can think of, even considering small businesses?
maligor: 0 mode is useless
Deanjo: I want a board with the connectability of this guy http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?l1=3&l2=136&l3=486&l4=0&model=1530&modelmenu=2
Deanjo: Southbridge
Deanjo: 1 xUltraDMA 133/100
Deanjo: 12 xSATA 3 Gb/s ports NVIDIA MediaShield™ RAID: Support RAID 0,1,0+1,5,JBOD span cross Serial ATA drives
Deanjo: Silicon Image® Sil3531
Deanjo: eSATA 3Gb/s
maligor: 5+0 sounds weird tho
maligor: does someone actually do that?
Deanjo: What the 12 sata ports?
maligor: doesn't mediashield have had issues in the past too?
GNU\colossus: Deanjo: 6 ports x 2 devices
maligor: atleast in linux I remember nvidia stuff having data corruption
Deanjo: I haven't had an issue on a Nvidia amd chipset maligor
maligor: yeah, well, it was nforce 4 anyway
Deanjo: That corruption was on their intel chipsets
maligor: and it was the early stuff
redeeman: and on nforce2 amd
Deanjo: nforce 4 was the only one I never got. Had nforce 1,2,3,6,7
maligor: they did get the driver working eventually tho
Deanjo: Oh 5 as well
maligor: nvidia has a depressing habit of dragging it's feet when it's supposed to give programming sepcs
Deanjo: No 6 I guess
Deanjo: There was no 6 series for AMD
maligor: maybe it was a engineering sample
maligor: accidentally found it somewhere?
Deanjo: So I've had I guess 1,2,3,5,7
Milyardo: Well this one I have is my first nforce
Deanjo: Still have 4 nforce 2 boards going
maligor: never noticed asus was joining the workstation and server board market
Milyardo: Luckily I already haerd about my board needing a new kernel version for the forcedeth driver to worj
Milyardo: *work
Deanjo: Abit NF7-s boards are legendary
maligor: soon to be mythical
Deanjo: Asus has been in the workstation / server board market for quite some time
maligor: I guess it missed me completely, heh, I'm not in the habit of buying that market target
Deanjo: Ya they aren't the first name you think of then talking server boards and such
Deanjo: Not to the same extent as Tyan, Awill, Supermicro, etc anyways
Milyardo: I also need more disk space
Milyardo: I wish I had 1 SARA drive let alone 6 o.o
maligor: Milyardo, WD6400AAKS seems to be pretty decent
Milyardo: *STA
Milyardo: **SATA
maligor: gives me 112MB/s Read at the beginning
maligor: the other manufacturers have similar performing stuff tho
Deanjo: Don't know why chipset manufacturers seem to think we need a gazillion USB ports on the chipsets nowdays. Gimme more sata dammit
maligor: I've had to get a hub
maligor: ran out of usb ports
Deanjo: Keyboard, mouse, printer is all I've ever needed
Deanjo: oh and usb key I guess
Deanjo: Nowhere near the 12 I have available
Deanjo: (more if you include the USB hub in the keyboard
Deanjo: Which is pretty useless in itself as a soon as I plug anything else into it the USB goes over current
niskel: Does anyone have any experience with an AMD FireGL V 5700 card in Linux?
copper: Deanjo: what? You don't own a USB missile launcher?
Milyardo: I do
Milyardo: With the USB missle loader
Milyardo: for fully automatic missle fire
copper: http://www.thinkgeek.com/geektoys/warfare/8a0f/
copper: http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=3317
Deanjo: Na, I prefer using real RPG's
Deanjo: Gets them gophers good
maligor: niskel, doing what?
maligor: probably most annoying issue with firegl's is that you can't use xrender with opengl overlays
niskel: maligor: having it work? and if it is worth bothering to use in linux.
maligor: I imagine it'll work
maligor: oh, it's FirePro?
niskel: lenovo just says "ATI Mobility FireGL V5700 with 512MB VRAM "
maligor: ati site says v5700 would be firepro
niskel: what does that mean?
maligor: not sure
maligor: beats me why they'd separate product lines
niskel: so the xrender bit means that if I was AA fonts I can't use OpenGL?
niskel: s/was/want
maligor: no, no, opengl overlays are something different
niskel: so what would this restriction mean?
maligor: not really sure what it does, used by maya and such
niskel: so normal xrender stuff will still work with normal OpenGL stuff?
maligor: FirePro V5700 looks like a HD 4670
maligor: sure
maligor: dunno for sure if the card is supported in fglrx, since AMD doesn't list the names anymore
niskel: I really don't know ATI cards well. I always went with nVidia because they used to have much better drivers
niskel: the tech specs page says it is supported I just found
niskel: is the HD 4670 any good these days?
niskel: doesn't know ati at all
maligor: it's 'mainstream'
niskel: I am coming from a machine with a gforce 7700 go
niskel: so it will probably be better
maligor: dunno really about the mobile parts
maligor: infact I've never used any ati mobile chip with fglrx
maligor: they might have more issues, dunno
niskel: so the ati drivers now seem to be a lot better in general than they were a few years ago?
maligor: probably biggest issue is xvideo sync
niskel: AV sync problems?
maligor: yeah
niskel: that sucks
maligor: the drivers have started to accumulate some mysterious libraries with UVD symbols, so maybe they're implementing it
copper: don't you mean vertical sync?
maligor: copper, well, it rather seems to work in opengl
maligor: or so people say, I don't really notice it
maligor: then there's some glitches in parts of the opengl implementation
maligor: and random errors crop up with every release
copper: so you're not talking about AV sync (audio-video sync)
maligor: but usually nothing too serious
maligor: niskel, meh, yeah, as copper says, I mean vertical sync for display
maligor: as in tearing
niskel: tearing doesn't bother me so much
copper: ew
niskel: it does, just not much
niskel: compared to other problems at least
copper: I know what you mean… I GOT BLISTERS ON MY FINGERS
copper: LOLs alone
niskel: hahaha, that would be agony to type
Roberth: hmmmm catalyst driver is just giving me black screen of death after reinstall:S
Milyardo: sux2beYou? :)
Milyardo: j/k