Phoronix IRC Log: 2008-08-28
starkmjolk: Xemanth: played with your new mobo yet? :)
Xemanth: starkmjolk: yea, it works :)
starkmjolk: ah, good :)
Xemanth: i haven't tested much yet
Deanjo: Why the hell doesn't every email client have a backup mailbox function?
maligor: Deanjo, because everyone serious about email runs a imap server on a raid 1 system
Deanjo: like imap servers NEVER fail
redeeman: why would the mail client implement such weird functionality?
Deanjo: Just for easy archival
redeeman: i don't understand how it would be easier
redeeman: imap servers are pretty damn stable :)
maligor: just add automatic archival of the imap server db
redeeman: it's a proven technology
Deanjo: goes back to the export/import of mbox rant I had a few weeks ago
redeeman: use maildir
Deanjo: KISS guys KISS. Simple tasks like that should not involve having to jump through hoops.
redeeman: exactly, keep it simple
redeeman: as in.. why implement such stuff in a mail client?
redeeman: when the correct place is in your normal backup app to backup your directory
redeeman: or a shellscript executed by cron
maligor: yeah, man.. it should be implemented in the ... kernel!
redeeman: maligor: sata controller :)
Deanjo: redeeman, the flaw in that is that ordinary people don't want to go through all the hassle of such solutions plus it has to be crossplatform
maligor: that's why they have Windows Home Server man
redeeman: i do both these mentioned things on multiple platforms
redeeman: if you mean to say "plus it has to be _EVERY PLATFORM KNOWN TO EXIST; AND MORE_", then no, it might not work
maligor: setting up imap is a bit of pain tho, I have to agree with that
Deanjo: Hell even OS X mail has a simple "Archive mailbox" and I fucking loath that client
Deanjo: Plus not all services offer imap maligor
Deanjo: ie most ISP's
redeeman: lol deanjo i can just imagine it now
redeeman: a giant submenu on the main menu
maligor: I meant a home server type of thing
redeeman: with an entry
redeeman: "archive directory "
redeeman: for EACH directory a user has
Oli``: Who uses their ISP email though?
redeeman: and i mean system wide
redeeman: not just in the mail
maligor: Deanjo, actually most isps here provide the complete service
maligor: err.. smtp
Deanjo: Well that's fine for where you live lol
Deanjo: ISP's around here only offer pop/web
maligor: they also don't do quotas
maligor: and none of them run windows on their servers
Deanjo: Ya no quota's here
maligor: that I've seen anyway
Deanjo: Don't even get throttled or have stupid bandwidth limits
maligor: what's a stupid bandwidth limit?
redeeman: i see new future in bittorrent-via-smtp then
Deanjo: maligor, a stupid bandwidth limit is saying "We offer xxxx speeds, but you can only dl/upload xxxx amount a month"
maligor: oh, you mean quota
redeeman: yeah lol that's insane
redeeman: who the hell would want that?!
Deanjo: Especially since they like to advertise "unlimited internet"
maligor: yeah, they wouldn't get away with that here
Deanjo: Then you call them on it and they say "Oh well that means it's on all the time"
maligor: it'd be misleading the consumer
maligor: and either they'd change it or forced to stop doing business
Deanjo: I like my ISP's spam filtering too, it works extremely well
redeeman: yeah i prefer my isp not handling my mail
Deanjo: "nForce 780a SLI" :O Hybrid SLi support
Deanjo: lol Dammit, I just finished patching the 177.68 driver rpms. *shakes fist at michaellarabel for not telling a 1/2 hour sooner*
Dr_ST: michaellarabel: hi, i'm stephane, the mandriva guy
Dr_ST: hi all, by the way :-)
Deanjo: Quick it's a mandriva guy, hide the beer
Dr_ST: Deanjo: na, share :-)
Dr_ST: michaellarabel: i came here for more reactivity :-)
Dr_ST: what's the problem?
Deanjo: GPL says "No sharing of beer with Mandriva guys."
ufoman: michaellarabel: can I ask a little question?
Dr_ST: Deanjo: nice to meet you :-)
Dr_ST: Deanjo: you using ubuntu, don't you?
Deanjo: No, I have too much pride to run ubuntu
ufoman: ah debian
ufoman: today it played bad on me
Deanjo: lol, nope openSUSE
Ivanovic: prefer source played distros
Dr_ST: ok, let's poker then :-)
Deanjo: Too much in love with their build service and yast to switch
Dr_ST: michaellarabel: one question while here, do you plan to compare _when available and possible_ the binaries produced by the tests and the ones furnished by the distribution?
Deanjo: (plus I'm a kde guy and IMHO opensuse still has the best implementation)
ufoman: I never had a chance to use OpenSUSE for long due to my b0rken mobo back in the days
Dr_ST: Deanjo: mandriva build system is quite performant also, the entire distribution can be rebuilt (and in fact has been) in few days
Deanjo: heh, the build service does it in alot less time
Dr_ST: i was sure you'd say this :-)
ufoman: I prefer building stuff myself
Dr_ST: ufoman: why not, but rpm or deb packing helps when you need to rebuild
ufoman: after the nasty thing postgres 8.3 amd64 deb did to me today...
Dr_ST: upgrading postgres seems to be a nightmare, as mentionned by the mandriva maintainer ...
ufoman: Dr_ST: that was a fresh install
ufoman: dpkg configure totally failed to build main cluster
ufoman: I had to do everything manually
Dr_ST: ha, bad
Dr_ST: shit happens (if that can help) :-)
michaellarabel: Dr_ST, I am back now
Dr_ST: michaellarabel: no pb
Dr_ST: michaellarabel: so what is your problem under mandriva, installing the dependencies?
michaellarabel: yes, the ones I mentioned in the email weren't present.
ufoman: michaellarabel: can you answer a little question about nv driver?
Dr_ST: michaellarabel: but using urpmi task-c-devel works, no?
Dr_ST: if phoronix-test-suite install dependencies does not work, it may come from the urpmi invocation in the wrapper (should not, but just to be sure)
michaellarabel: ufoman: What?
ufoman: michaellarabel: os nv driver so much obfuscated that it can't properly display 24bit color depth?
michaellarabel: I think it should be able to, are you having problems with depth 24?
ufoman: all gradients look very bad with 24bit color
ufoman: image looks like it was 16 bit depth or even worse...
michaellarabel: Not sure then, but can't say I am surprised about it. Why not switch to Nouveau or nvidia?
ufoman: it's all ok on nvidia
Dr_ST: michaellarabel: urpmi task-c-devel does not work?
ufoman: I wanted to try 2.6.27-rc
Ivanovic: obfuscating is really not good
Ivanovic: the consequences of it can be really strange
ufoman: I have geforce4 420 go in the lappy
michaellarabel: DR_St: I'll try in a minute, running a test on it right now
Dr_ST: michaellarabel: ok, around for some minutes
Dr_ST: michaellarabel: leaving for now, you can answer by mail, i'll answer back tomorrow (late here)
Deanjo: michaellarabel, check your mail
Deanjo: inserts the annoying AOL "You have mail" voice
michaellarabel: Deanjo, yep. Got it. Not sure if I'll have the time before 1.2.0 or not though.
Deanjo: Meh, like I told ya before, "official" releases never effect me :P
Deanjo: If you get it in, you get it in, no worries
cxo: but if you dont, then worry
Deanjo: Just hurry up with that UT3 module :P
Deanjo: We figured out that PTS is the middleware holding it up :D
cxo: hey how do you get pics off a canon cam with linux?
cxo: like do you have to put it into computer mode somehow?
cxo: hey how do you get pics off a canon cam with linux?
cxo: do you have to put it into computer mode somehow?
Exopaladin: no idea, with my Nikon camera you can set the camera to just work as mass storage
Exopaladin: although normally I just pop the SD card out and shove it into a reader
cxo: it comes up as a PTP
cxo: wtf is PTP
Exopaladin: picture transfer protocol
cxo: got it
cxo: gphoto --get-all-files
cxo: oh this is school i can shoot from the PC
cxo: wtf? school? i meant cool
Deanjo: shouldn't drink and type cxo :P