Ivanovic: moin
redeeman: lo
Plouj: michaellarabel: I think you need to update your public PTS git repo again to match the one shown on phorogit
michaellarabel: Fixed, thanks
Plouj: michaellarabel: Thanks. So, howcome you didn't directly pull from my public repo?
michaellarabel: Just because I am no git expert and don't want to mess anything up
Plouj: :)
Plouj: fair enough
Xemanth: starkmjolk: oh yea mobo comes today :)
roberth: anyone here who has experience with booting linux from and usb pen?
mha: that's a question with the given information I don't want to answer. and probably not others either. Yes is the correct answer, but you would probably get a better response with a specific problem request.
mha: anyone dd:ing an image has "experience". or someone using someone else's USB drive
roberth: well what filesystem do I need for the usb pen when dd'ing the img on it?
mha: when you dd an image directly to the block device you will overwrite everything, including partitions and partition tables.
mha: so it will not matter what you had
roberth: k
roberth: hmm when I try to boot the usb pen on my netbook, i just get "GRUB" and nothing happend
roberth: [roberth@Magda DATA]$ dd if=archlinux-2008.06-ftp-i686.img of=/dev/sdc1
roberth: 299620+0 records in
roberth: 299620+0 records out
roberth: 153405440 bytes (153 MB) copied, 36.3849 s, 4.2 MB/s
Deanjo: Speaking of USB sticks, has anybody tried putting 2-4 of identical thumb drives in raid 0?
roberth: going to try to boot it on my stationary computer...
Ivanovic: Deanjo: you mean something like sun did in some demo video about zfs?
Deanjo: no idea, I was just thinking of marking them as a software raid 0 and putting them on different USB channels to see what kind of performance one would get
Deanjo: They are so damn cheap nowdays it might make for a viable way of increasing boot times on a system where silence is preferred but slow performance is not.
Deanjo: We did something like that a year ago for shits and giggles in our lab, took 4 ipod 30 Giggers and soft raided them on OS X
Erektium: if I want to update pts 1.05 to 1.20 beta3. Do I just have to download the .deb -file and install it? I'm using ubuntu
Erektium: ?
Plouj: michaellarabel: did you intend debug_file to be a constant or a variable in pts-core/functions/pts-init.php ?
Plouj: define(ed) is for constants, AFAIK
michaellarabel: DEBUG_FILE should be a constant
Plouj: humm
Plouj: I changed the if statement to: if(defined($debug_file))
Plouj: but I'm still getting "Undefined variable: debug_file in /home/plouj/work/phoronix-test-suite/pts-core/functions/pts-init.php on line 63"
Erektium: ?
michaellarabel: Ah, I see why.
Plouj: can you explain it to me?
michaellarabel: http://phorogit.com/index.php?p=phoronix-test-suite.git&a=commitdiff&h=6caab7c08b15c39e27674be4d5f0d8d6bb3a0422&hb=f3d4ea9e3c925a36fbdcf9c04979f8ed8ba43944 Fixed in git. Since they were OR and DEBUG_FILE was last, if DEBUG or PTS_DEBUG was set, the last condition would never end up running through
Erektium: michaellarabel, if I want to update pts 1.05 to 1.20 beta3. Do I just have to download the .deb -file and install it? I'm using ubuntu
michaellarabel: Yes, it should be as easy as doing that. and then just running away
Erektium: =)
Plouj: strange, I thouht I merged those changes
Plouj: ah, had to do another fetch
michaellarabel: Plouj: that commit was just a few minutes ago after you mentioned a problem :)
Plouj: :)
Plouj: ./pts-core/pts-run-cmd.php:$saved_identifier = array_pop(explode('/', dirname($test_profile_file)));
Plouj: that's causing an Undefined variable: test_profile_file
Plouj: should $test_profile_file be replaced with $saved_results_file?
michaellarabel: yes
Plouj: now it says: "Only variables should be passed by reference" for the same line
Plouj: heh: http://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=38626
michaellarabel: Okay
Plouj: you're gonna fix both of those or shall I?
michaellarabel: yes I can fix it
Plouj: gotta love PHP...
maligor: pts must be the first non-web program I've seen using php :P
roberth: FU
Plouj: it would have been fun if it was written in javaScript
roberth: sza
roberth: tr
roberth: yhj
roberth: tyhg
roberth: trg
roberth: ythwytrhsyjn4wr5th
roberth: errr sry
GNU\colossus: newsflash: php is shite
Plouj: GNU\colossus: old news!
maligor: yeah, php doesn't really have much over other scripting languages
maligor: just the nice embedded tags
GNU\colossus: except for the pile of crap it is, probably ;)
GNU\colossus: and that only makes it qualify if you like crap
GNU\colossus: a pity its used so widely
Plouj: I wish there was /usr/bin/javascript-interpreter
maligor: Plouj, javascript is too good, vbs!
Plouj: no, I'm being serious
maligor: spidermonkey-bin
Plouj: I'd like to learn JS in its full power and not by writing websites
Plouj: heh, that's a bit too heavy, I'd think
maligor: standalone JavaScript/ECMAScript (ECMA-262) interpreter
GNU\colossus: ECMAscript is just a subset of JavaScript though
GNU\colossus: well, I'll have to learn Python for my new job
maligor: let's see what spidermoneky does
GNU\colossus: don't really like the perspective that much though
Plouj: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_JavaScript_engines
maligor: js> print("Hello World"); --> Hello World
Plouj: heheh :)
maligor: It works! :P
Plouj: phpjs
Plouj: tries `//var/cache/yum/livna/filelists.sqlite.bz2 from livna
GNU\colossus: too much is implemented in PHP, I really start to fear it won't ever lose critical mass
GNU\colossus: :(
Plouj: oops
Plouj: tries sudo yum provides *bin/js
maligor: GNU\colossus, you'd prefer python?
GNU\colossus: maligor: I don't know it yet; I just know I'm not particulary fond of its stringent syntax rules regarding whitespace
maligor: spidermoney supplies smjs
GNU\colossus: I like Perl, C and Bourne Shell ;)
maligor: oh, it links it to js
Plouj: sweet, there is a package that installs /bin/js
Plouj: js-1.70-3.fc9.i386 : JavaScript interpreter and libraries
GNU\colossus: cool
GNU\colossus: does that standalone javascript do filesystem I/O, too?
Plouj: http://www.mozilla.org/js/
GNU\colossus: I was planning to look into Lua for years now...
GNU\colossus: maybe I'll give it a go
GNU\colossus: this weekend or so
Plouj: too many fun languages and too little time
GNU\colossus: true.
Erektium: phoronix-test-suite system-info shows my hardware incorrectly: Motherboard: System Product Name, Chipset: AMD
Erektium: and i'm using the 1.20b3
Plouj: what does the older version say?
Erektium: same
michaellarabel: Erektium: I'll have a change for you to try shortly.
Erektium: =)
michaellarabel: http://phorogit.com/index.php?p=phoronix-test-suite.git&dl=targz see what this version says
Erektium: 'mkay
Deanjo: Motherboard: System Product Name, Chipset: Unknown
Deanjo: that's what mine comes up with
michaellarabel: Deanjo, what motherboard?
Deanjo: Asus M3N-HT Deluxe
michaellarabel: hmm
michaellarabel: is this with the git tarball I just mentioned?
Deanjo: yup
Erektium: it doesn't work
michaellarabel: What doesn't work?
Erektium: phoronix-test-suite system-info shows my hardware incorrectly: Motherboard: System Product Name, Chipset: AMD
michaellarabel: still? hmm
Erektium: yep
Erektium: i have m2n-e
Erektium: mb
michaellarabel: can you mail to michael at phoronix.com your lshal output?
GNU\colossus: well, the DMI info may simply be missing
GNU\colossus: that's the case on my ECS KN1 Extreme, too
Plouj: michaellarabel: so your git PTS updates first go to the repo shown on the web interface and then to http://www.phorogit.com/repo/phoronix-test-suite.git ?
Deanjo: Ya it said the same for my old M2N-E as well Erektium
Erektium: ;S
Deanjo: email sent michaellarabel
michaellarabel: Plouj: It's all one git repository but the server is dumb where sometimes I need to run git-update-server-info before you can use your git commands. The web interface seems to always be in sync.
Plouj: humm
Erektium: email sent
michaellarabel: Thanks guys, taking care of some other work right now but will fix it in a minute. I see a few ways to handle it.
Deanjo: Ya M2A-VM HDMI does the same
Erektium: np
Deanjo: Email sent for the M2A as well
Deanjo: *sigh* 1 1/2 hours until the Nvidia keynote
maligor: what do you think they'll reveal?
maligor: That they've taken over World Governments and now own absolutely everything?
Deanjo: Not sure, but I'm nearly 100% sure it won't be announcing a x86 processor
Deanjo: Despite what the morons an the inquirer say
maligor: yeah, not unless it's a embedded one
maligor: high end market is too tough to enter as it is
Deanjo: even embedded would require a license
maligor: and in embedded market x86 doesn't really make sense
maligor: too much legacy overheard
Deanjo: And last I heard nvidia hasn't purchased any of the 3 companies that do have a transferable license
maligor: as for announcing a new arm.. wouldn't really make sense either
Deanjo: Well they already have Tegra for the mobile market
maligor: maybe they'll announce a motherboard for atom ;)
Deanjo: ha doubtful
maligor: yeah, intel probably won't allow them
maligor: s/won't/wouldn't/
Deanjo: Why would they when they already are in bed with Via's nano
maligor: what? nvidia?
Deanjo: Ya
maligor: didn't notice that one
Deanjo: Back in April
Deanjo: Heck they could even do solutions for AMD's 8 watt chips
maligor: or imminent purchase of all intel and microsoft stocks
Deanjo: lol, nvidia doesn't have that kind of cash
maligor: and change the name to NINTESOFT
maligor: no DO here
maligor: or NDO I guess is missing :P
Deanjo: invidicro
Deanjo: http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/story.aspx?guid={AE3FB7A4-EE47-436B-ADF0-0C45AC172F8C}&siteid=rss <---interesting article
maligor: Adobe Linux, eh?
maligor: photoshop_accelerator.ko
Deanjo: *shudder*
maligor: I doubt they have any interest in moving to linux
Deanjo: That would be perfectly fine to me
Deanjo: Hell I would favor them not supporting ANY OS
maligor: JavaFX!
Deanjo: Java has it's fair share of issues as well
mha: I think it works just fine under Wine :]
mha: why should they fix something already working.
maligor: what works?
mha: photoshop
maligor: try calling adobe when it crashes
Deanjo: Try calling them even on a supported platform
maligor: as for java.. openjdk works fantastically already
mha: maligor: you'll just have to hope it dosen't crash then. :)
mha: works quite fine here. and they are progressing quite well for each wine release.
mha: and you can always purchase crossover office and get somewhat support from them. they'll atleast invest resources in fixing bugs.
cxo: wine is surprisingly good these days
cxo: People are running CS2 and stuff with it
cxo: CS3 is still work in progress
Samuel2: savage 2 does not work on debian etch
Samuel2: TERROR
michaellarabel: Plouj and Deanjo, finally getting around to the HAL improvements now.
Plouj: cool :)
Plouj: we're keeping you busy, eh
cxo: what are you studying at york Plouj
Plouj: I studied CS
Plouj: cxo: why?
cxo: no reason
Plouj: nah, stalkers always have a reason!
cxo: stalker? has in S.T.A.L.K.E.R Scavenger, Trespasser, Adventurer, Loner, Killer, Explorer, Robber
cxo: s/has/as/
Plouj: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/stalker
cxo: are you game?
Plouj: I'm just a someone
cxo: are you someone famous?
Plouj: not especially
Plouj: my question to you is: do you have unlawful intentions?
cxo: are you a plant?
Plouj: last time I checked, I wasn't
Plouj: where are you going with this?
cxo: then according to wikipedia, i certainly cannot be a stalker
Plouj: oh, whew
Plouj: it's wiktionary, btw :p
cxo: oh looks the same
Plouj: same style
Plouj: belongs to mediawiki, I think
Plouj: I mean, wikimedia
Plouj: mediawiki is the wiki engine...
michaellarabel: Motherboard detection should be fixed in git.
Plouj: michaellarabel: did you also fix the variable stuff I mentioned earlier today?
Plouj: especially the passed-by-reference thing
Plouj: I'm sorry I'm asking, but the phorogit gitweb doesn't show an easy to read log
michaellarabel: the DEBUG_FILE, missing variable in list-saved-results and the PHP bug with explode() array_pop()? Yes
Plouj: yes
Plouj: thanks
Plouj: is the phorogit interface a failed attempt at customizing gitweb?
michaellarabel: Plouj: No
michaellarabel: but it is in desperate need for repair, I just haven't gotten around to it.
Plouj: heh, that's a better way to put it
michaellarabel: The no was as in not being based on gitweb
Plouj: is there a repo for this web interface code?
Plouj: oh
Plouj: is it custom?
michaellarabel: it was originally based on this defunct PHP git viewer, but was forked and customized. I can probably push it into a repo.
Plouj: maybe it would be a better idea to customize gitweb since it's so popular (and presumably, stable) these days
Plouj: ah, but it's witten in Perl!
xaphir: michaellarabel, I noticed in the latest ati driver release, the rpm package generation is still not fixed. Do you think it will be fixed in the next release?
michaellarabel: xaphir: Probably not :( Not to mention X Server 1.5 still isn't supported.
xaphir: michaellarabel, that is very disappointing.
xaphir: michaellarabel, I've been working on a 64 bit distro that will support Cedega/wine, and being able to generate rpms from the installer is almost the only way to get 386 stuff working
xaphir: michaellarabel, you might want to consider that it would help wine bug reporting to be able to generate both 386 and x64 ati rpms
xaphir: bug reports for ati I mean.
vladc: Phoronix reported some time ago (http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NjU0NQ) that NVIDIA might announce an open source strategy at Nvision 2008. Is that actually happening?
cxo: i think its just cool to be in the open sauce at the moment
cxo: its a phase, they'll grow out of it when they realise how little money there is in it, or the opposite could happen when they get a sudden influx of new buyers, you never can tell
RobbieAB: nVidia aren't really...
RobbieAB: That said, it's next year that the crunch is likely to seriously start to kick in.
cxo: well thats what they all say
cxo: but they have had quarterly losses already
RobbieAB: Go read the DRM docs for HD on Vista.
cxo: digital rights management, or direct rendering manager?
RobbieAB: Everyone is hurting, AMD at least are poised to be able to sidestep some of the pain
RobbieAB: The former
cxo: blue chip is up, just the big playas are down
RobbieAB: Stop thinking markets only...
cxo: you stop thinking markets only
cxo: money talks and whats it they say about bullshit?...
cxo: forgets
RobbieAB: The major fun is going to be watching the companies start really having to deal with Vista.
cxo: i thought that was 2007?
cxo: or you mean windows 7?
RobbieAB: You can still get machines with XP installed. Why? Because people are refusing to buy Vista if XP is an option.
cxo: people need to refuse XP if Linux is an option
vladc: Microsoft is a victim of their own success n/t.
RobbieAB: Who said Linux would be the breaker for the tech firms?
cxo: more power to my brothers at Dell and Asus for flaunting Linux
RobbieAB: The breaker is going to be the vanishing of XP.
cxo: i kinda like vista, not that i've used xp or vista to say one is better than the other
cxo: but vista felt more secure
vladc: ... and a lot more wasteful of resources.
RobbieAB: *shudder* Read the damn tech docs for HD
cxo: like it didnt crash in the first 30s which is usually a major accomplishment for any microsoft product
cxo: resources samosas, everyones got 2gb of ram these days
RobbieAB: Which mandate an encrypted bus for HD content...
cxo: scandalous
RobbieAB: Watch the systems try to deal with encrypting all HD video between the CPU and the graphics card!
vladc: Well, I'm using XP on my 266 P2 with 96MB RAM, and even APM suspend/resume is rock solid.
RobbieAB: AMD/ATI said Vista imposed a 25% performance hit on graphics cards which were HD capable.
RobbieAB: Ignoring the painful CPU loading
hbbs: Hi
hbbs: I've downloaded and compiled the latest xf86-ati git
hbbs: where can I see if am really using it the latest code from git?