xaphir: michaellarabel, do you think that rpm package generation will be fixed in the next ATI driver release?
Ivanovic: moin
tsb: Hi. Ati 4870, nv 280 or is something else comming out? I do not want any x2 (dual) cards.. The 4870 does seem nice, and amd has really stepped up on the linuxfront it seems
tsb: only thing I don't like about the 4870 is apparently it generates more heat.. = more noise.
starkmjolk: tsb: nothing more close to release just yet I think. but the graphics industry moves along very fast so probably not many months until new cards come out
starkmjolk: both the 4870 and 280 are very hot by my standards.
tsb: yeah.. I've done a lot to make my computer as quiet as possible.. if I get some heater in there it might not work
starkmjolk: the 4850 is a fair bit cooler, don't know what performance demands you have
Ivanovic: tsb: go for the 4850
Ivanovic: it is a lot cheaper and not this much slower
Ivanovic: (beside not producing as much heat as the 4870 does)
tsb: not too much.. I'll be getting a 24" dell 2408 screen soon, so I'd prefer 1920x1200 native but I really don't play much
Ivanovic: tsb: i got a dell 2405 and use a hd3850 to fire it
tsb: Ivanovic: okay, so a 4850 sounds like it should work then
Ivanovic: so far i had no problem to play the most demanding games available for linux (etqw) in full details in 1920x1200
Ivanovic: and the 4850 is probably a good lot faster
tsb: where I live it is actually ~half the price of a 4870
tsb: and a 4870 looks like it is anywhere from 5-30% faster only
Ivanovic: like i said, it is a lot cheaper while not being too much slower
Ivanovic: (that is why i bought the 3850, there it was the same)
starkmjolk: always costs being on top ;)
maligor: the linux drivers do have one supremely annoying bug atm
maligor: it has trouble with certain resolutions
maligor: 4870 has an advantage in higher res afaik
Ivanovic: maligor: yes, but the advantage is just something like 20% more performance
Ivanovic: for basically doubled costs in purchuases
maligor: just?
Ivanovic: maligor: yes, just
maligor: hmm.. you're right, they are twice as expensive
maligor: 20% is quite a lot tho
Ivanovic: oh, sure it is a lot
maligor: but in most cases it's better to spend that 50% money on some other component
redeeman: it's not nearly double price in dk
redeeman: like.. 50% more
Ivanovic: though when you are in an area where it is fluent anyway, who cares about those 20% (unless some benchmark fetichist)
maligor: redeeman, I see 4850 for 130 eur here, and 4870 for 250
redeeman: 4850 can be gotten for ~1000kr here, and 4870 for around ~1500-1600 i believe
Ivanovic: tsb: for you interest, some benchmarks of the hd3850 with the etqw demo
Ivanovic: http://global.phoronix-test-suite.com/index.php?k=profile&u=ivanovic-22332-15328-27752
Ivanovic: that is: including AA tests
Ivanovic: yes, the impact of AA is extreme on 1920x1200
Ivanovic: but if you don't use AA excessivly (i tend to not use it at all) there is really more than enough power for current games
redeeman: but isn't that an area where 4850 is ALOT better?
Ivanovic: redeeman: i don't know, it is likely that it is
maligor: redeeman, you mean 4870?
Ivanovic: redeeman: it is just a case of "where the 3850 is fast enough, the 4850 will be fast enough, too"
redeeman: no 4850
maligor: alot better compared to what?
redeeman: 3850
redeeman: in AA
maligor: well, the drops look like a bottleneck
Ivanovic: that is: in those tests you will basically see a cpu cap
Ivanovic: the only gpu cap is in 1920x1200 with AA
Ivanovic: without it is just CPU limited (those tests were with my 2.1GHz core2duo 6400)
maligor: pts global could have a better browser :P
Ivanovic: with the quad 9300 (2.5ghz) i get about 10 to 15fps more
michaellarabel: Looks like we may have a second Unigine test profile a day or two before PTS 1.2.0
Deanjo: sweet
Deanjo: they were mentioning a update would be coming shortly when I told them about the flickering bug
Deanjo: FAIL! http://www.hardocp.com/images/news/1219502338EykDShySZJ_1_1_l.jpg
roberth: michaellarabel: when is the 3d documentation for r600 expected?
redeeman: few weeks
Ivanovic: roberth: IIRWIIR
Ivanovic: ;)
roberth: ?
Ivanovic: roberth: It Is Ready When It Is Ready
Ivanovic: roberth: with other words: only AMD/ATI can *maybe* say when it will be ready
Ivanovic: that is: probably even they don't know anything for sure since there currently are "some problems with IP" (IP=intellectual property)
Ivanovic: and when it comes to this s*** lawyers are involved so noone can give a really good prediction about how long it will take and what will come out of it
michaellarabel: Personally I am hoping for next week
Deanjo: I'm surprised nothing has been said in the forums about Redhats recent breach
Ivanovic: michaellarabel: this would be *great*
Deanjo: You take a look at that ET test michaellarabel ?
michaellarabel: No time yet sadly.
tsb: Ivanovic: ah, thanks
michaellarabel: Ivanovic, hopefully Bridgman will be at XDS. Right now he's pending.
Deanjo: http://royal.pingdom.com/?p=340 <--- interesting article on Linux popularity across the globe
avkn: hi guys. does anyone know how to install liveusb-creator from source on ubuntu? i don't think it uses the ./config, ./make, ./make-install routine. yeah, i'm still quite new to these things.
Ivanovic: is there no INSTALL file shipped in the tarball?
avkn: uh.. no. the contents:
avkn: data liveusb liveusb-creator.console PKG-INFO setup.py
avkn: LICENSE.txt liveusb-creator liveusb-creator.pam README.txt
avkn: data and liveusb are folders, liveusb-creator is an executable
avkn: oh, my bad. should've tried running that exec first.
avkn: anyway, does the latest nvidia driver really improve 3D for the GF8 series? and am i right that the 2D problems are still there?