Phoronix IRC Log: 2008-08-17
jim: I'm trying to find out more about the amd/ati drivers for xorg and linux... I have xorg-7.1.0 possibly with some patches (whatever it is in debian etch) and will be swapping to an asus m2a-vm mobo from an m2npv-vm after I get the support working; I think the m2a-vm has an x800 based on r420. I want to know what is the name of the driver (radeon? radeonhd?) and which version would work on what I (will) have
Ivanovic: jim: you wrote too much for irc to transmit everything
Ivanovic: your line ends here: "...would work on what I (will) have"
Ivanovic: but what will be used is simple: radeonhd is for r5xx+
Ivanovic: where radeon does basically cover all the cards (different code for r5xx+ but working, too)
Ivanovic: and since your card is from before you will be using the normal radeon (aka ati) driver
jim: I'm trying to verify what chipset is it really...
Ivanovic: that is in gentoo this 2d driver for xorg is called xf86-video-ati, no idea how it is called in debian
jim: what version of the xserver is the earliest that can use the newer radeon driver?
Ivanovic: no idea
Ivanovic: since i am always using the lastest (released) versions anyway
jim: are you using radeon? and which version of xorg are you using?
Ivanovic: i am using fglrx since i got a r6xx card which has no 2d or 3d acceleration in any of the two open drivers so far
Ivanovic: and i need video acceleration to be able to scale videos to my fullscreen size
jim: someone's claiming it's an x1250 but when I google for r420 it says that's an x800
Ivanovic: try radeon and it should work
Ivanovic: when i was using my 9800 some time ago radeon was working really well including the (in those days) rather slow but useable 3d support
jim: it's starting to look like x1250 is r600
jim: can you confirm that?
Ivanovic: no, x1250 is definitely *NOT* r6xx
Ivanovic: man, just try radeon and if it works, it's fine
Ivanovic: the only difference between radeon and radeonhd is the 2d implementation (modesetting and such)
Ivanovic: they are using the *same* code for 3d and 2d/video acceleration
jim: I will when the motherboard is in the case :)
jim: my present goal is to see what I can do softwarewise first: I want to build the driver and have it available alongside the nvidia driver I have now, so that when I swap motherboards after that, it shoudl be easy/short work to get it going
jim: I may be swapping back and forth... I don't want to do that, but if things don't work I may have to
Ivanovic: and since this is 2d only anyway, it is easy enough to build all of them
Ivanovic: and just switch drivers by changing the entry in xorg.conf
jim: 2d only?
jim: I might as well stay where I am in that case
Ivanovic: yes, the radeon and radeaonhd are doing the 2d only part
Ivanovic: 3d is done by a kernel module named drm
jim: oh, I can build that too, yes?
Ivanovic: though if you are after speed, those onboard graphic chips are the wrong choice, they are always slow as hell compared to dedicated cards of the same generation
Ivanovic: of course you can
jim: what's the reason they're so slow?
Ivanovic: you don't have the space for the same amount of dedicated curuits in those onboard chips
Ivanovic: and you can't clock them as high as dedicated cards
Ivanovic: plus they are using the normal system ram which is a lot slower compared to the onboard ram of dedicated cards
jim: so it's allocating some of the overall system ram?
jim: I guess I could get an r600 or so as a pci-e card
Ivanovic: with r6xx cards to get acceleration you will need to use fglrx
Ivanovic: there will be no 3d support in the open drivers till at least end of the year
Ivanovic: and till it is reasonable fast (maybe 70 to 80% of what fglrx is able to offer) will take at least another year
jim: so my best compromise is an r500 series?
jim: if I want open 3d now
jim: what's the situation for r500 series?
Ivanovic: from what i heard it is: it basically works
Ivanovic: no idea how fast
jim: so it's a bit ahead, and maybe they still need that year to tweak it up to full speed
Ivanovic: and you have to use a 2.6.26.x kernel to have the new DRM part
Ivanovic: the support is only there for some months
Ivanovic: it is not old enough to really mature so far
jim: right now I have 24.7
jim: when I run it
jim: otherwise .18
Ivanovic: "uname -a" tells you what you are currently running
jim: I know that :)
jim: I'm running the 2.6.18 atm
Ivanovic: uhm, this is *ancient*
jim: yeahwell... it works :)
jim: I don't have to worry about it for the moment
Ivanovic: for "real" r5xx 3d support you will need mesa 7.1rc1 (or newer) plus either the kernel module from git or kernel 2.6.26.x
jim: considers installing the ram tomorrow
Ivanovic: no idea about xorg-server requirements
Ivanovic: that is: probably mesa requires a higher version than you are using
jim: ok, good to know
jim: so I'm deciding not to swap mobos this week, maybe not this quarter...
jim: but I might install the ram :)
jim: I'd have 6g instead of 2 :()
jim: Ivanovic: the only thing left, is what the heck is an x1250?
Ivanovic: a slow card
jim: but which Rxxx is it?
jim: so far all I know is it's a mobility but it's not on a laptop
Ivanovic: just wanted to paste him a list and now he is gone...
cypherdelic: Downloading File: ETQW-demo2-client-full.r1.x86.run
cypherdelic: --2008-08-17 14:02:18-- http://downloads.planetmirror.com/pub/idgames2/idstuff/etqw/ETQW-demo2-client-full.r1.x86.runAuflösen des Hostnamen »downloads.planetmirror.com«.... 188.8.131.52, 184.108.40.206, 220.127.116.11
cypherdelic: Verbindungsaufbau zu downloads.planetmirror.com|18.104.22.168|:80... fehlgeschlagen: Connection timed out.
cypherdelic: im at the third try with each 5 trys
cypherdelic: al connection timeout ...
Deanjo: Ya it will eventually get to the slow ass id ftp
michaellarabel: unigine-sanctuary is merging to phoronix-test-suite.git in a moment
Kano: hi michaellarabel , cant you add a warning that pts should not be executed as root?
redeeman: what does it do?
Kano: because of those stupid errors like : http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12002
michaellarabel: Kano: Deanjo's error is quite weird
Kano: its not weird
Kano: when you use ubuntu you can see the same
Kano: when you use
Kano: sudo -i
Kano: and then start pts
michaellarabel: Deanjo says when he runs PTS 1.0.5 the same though, he doesn't have this issue
Kano: he runs it as root after su or sudo -i
Kano: sux would work
Kano: instead of su
Kano: when the error is fixed with that xhost override that error is 100% clear
Deanjo: Kano, at no time do I run it using root or su
michaellarabel: deanjo, unigine-sanctuary is in git