Kano: hi
Kano: anybody using 2.6.27 yet? created a patch for all legacy nvidia drivers yesterday
Kano: now all nv drivers work
maligor: hasn't even been released yet :P
Kano: well does not matter
maligor: scsi command filter looks nice
Kano: rc2 was released
Kano: but they exported 2 symbols gpl only which requires a tricky hack, that should not be the case
maligor: latencytop support for arm.. now that's interesting :P
maligor: now I'd just have to upgrade my arm kernel to 2.6.27 which isn't so easy
Kano: well it is good to know how to compile a driver without messing around with gpl only crap ;)
maligor: BKL patches seem interesting too, nothing too big in it tho
Kano: ath5k should support ar2007, that means eee pc and other laptops work directy
Kano: this is only supported currently in madwifi hal branch
maligor: definately nothing in it for me to warrant updating this machine :)
Kano: also it seems to work better with problematic maschines which failed to boot with acpi active and xpress 1200
Kano: the new flash rc works pretty well here, anyone else tried?
shital_: Kano: on my splashtop unsquashfs is not working, this means that it is not installed on Splashtop right?
Kano: there is no unsquashfs needed, because it is already mounted
Kano: you can use squashfs with mount -t squashfs -o loop filename mountpoint, thats whats done there
Kano: inside the /mnt dir
shital_: ok
shital_: Kano: if i want to build .sqx file for a perticular application what basic structure of source directory i need to have?
Kano: well the app is overlayed over the root filesystem
Kano: this is done in the vactl file
Kano: for each dir you have like usr, etc or whatever there must be the command to mount it
shital_: ok
Kano: best compare the already existing ones
Kano: mksquashfs is also not in splashtop ;)
shital_: yess i am looking at them
shital_: i can build .sqx files with mksquashfs right?
Kano: yes
Kano: but dont use a too new version
Kano: the one in kanotix works ;)
shital_: ok,
shital_: thank you
shital_: Kano: if i install splashtop on USB stick then on Grub command line i will use "kernel /ce_bz" but what about "initrd " ??
shital_: is that necessary for boot?
Kano: there is no initrd for splashtop
Kano: ce_bz is only a fake kernel
Kano: the header is only there that is is accepted as kernel image by normal bootloaders
shital_: u mean to say if i use only kernel /ce_bz it will be booted
Kano: sure
shital_: ok fine
Kano: well my script does that already when you look better
Kano: it installs grub
shital_: i created partitions on it manually
shital_: and i run ur script
shital_: it did not give me any error
shital_: Kano: i think u have used the command "lilo -s /dev/null -M ${DEVICE}1" to do it right?
Kano: shital_: use the script as it
Kano: save it, change DEVICE=... to the correct device and run it!
Kano: i can give yu another script that does not use lilo at all, only syslinux 3.71 (from tar.gz) if needed,but that way it works too
Kano: i used lilo/syslinux because on different distributions the position of the data files are diffent
shital_: ok give me
shital_: my system do not have lilo but i use grub
Kano: syslinux provides the start mbr too, but only as a file, not via the syslinux command
shital_: so i commented above line
Kano: stupid boy
shital_: is that wrong?
shital_: ohh sorry
Kano: you may not change 1 line of the script when you want that it works, only the DEVICE=... and the IMAGE=...
Kano: do you think i wrote useless code
shital_: no way
Kano: there is absolutely no optional line in it
shital_: ok
Kano: that script requires the syslinux.tar.gz in the precoded version extracted in the same dir as the script
Kano: http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/boot/syslinux/syslinux-3.71.tar.bz2
Kano: or tar.bz2 does not matter
shital_: Kano: this is the output of ur new script http://pastebin.com/m7f9ab844
Kano: shital_: man, you did not do what i told you, you changed the syslinux entries and did not use the one i showed you
Kano: hmm well you did not, ok i worte it wrong, but it should boot...
Kano: chain32 is only needed for testing as i tried to boot cefull directly
Kano: your stick will boot if you board can do
shital_: Kano: i did not changed any thing in ur script except DEVICE
Kano: i saw it,it was hardcoded ;)
Kano: well chain32 is not used right now. try booting it
Kano: do you have got java 1.6?
shital_: yess
Kano: fine
Kano: this script used a 300 mb partition,do you have got enough free space
shital_: i have 2 gb stick
shital_: to boot into USB i need to eneble it in BIOS right??
Xemanth: starkmjolk: one more question about your mobo, how hot does sb700 get? have you touched it... do i need to buy new cooler sink for it
Kano: shital_: usb legacy must be enabled and usually you can use a hotkey to select bootdevice onstart, like f12 or f8
starkmjolk: Xemanth: isn't it sb600 on the 780g?
starkmjolk: but iirc it isn't a problem. only the nb gets hot
Xemanth: starkmjolk: it has sb700... 790GX/FC has sb750
Xemanth: sb690 is with 690g
Xemanth: 650*
Xemanth: my current mobo this one: http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Model=ALiveNF7G-HDready&s= its chipset is as hot has volcano
Xemanth: but its nvidia
shital_: Kano: yaa i know that
Kano: then try it
shital_: ok
starkmjolk: Xemanth: k. the first thing i said was that the nb cooler is a bit small, so that can be good to replace
Xemanth: lol sb600 and 690g :)
maligor: sb always reminds me of creative model names
Xemanth: starkmjolk: yeah i already bought zalman zm47j for it, but the mobo goes to gf's parents when i buy new one
starkmjolk: ok
Xemanth: does GA-MA78G-DS3H and GA-MA78GM-S2H have other difference than only pci expess x16 and the esata connector
Xemanth: life is hard
Xemanth: too many choices
maligor: D means Durable I think
maligor: gigabyte's magic talk
Xemanth: that mobo which has two pci express lanes cost like 1e more than the other one
maligor: I wonder what the M is
maligor: the D in the last letter group is the Ultra Durable thing
Xemanth: 2x pci-express x16 mobo has also dual bios
maligor: oh?
maligor: you mean DS3H?
maligor: it has virtual dual bios it says
maligor: heh, says dual bios on the other page
maligor: who knows
starkmjolk: Xemanth: the chipset does the pcie lanes so probably as many on both, i havent seen the new one so don't know any diff :)
Xemanth: maligor: oh i c
starkmjolk: esata sounds nice to have though
Xemanth: yea it sounds nice, except that i don't have any esata harddrives :D
michaellarabel: HD 4870 X2 On Linux: http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=12734
starkmjolk: Xemanth: still good to have, many external drives have esata these days
Kano: michaellarabel: where are the benchmarks against 9800 gx2 ;)
Kano: somewhere in pts already?
michaellarabel: Kano: You'll have to ask NVIDIA where my 9800 GX2 is :)
Xemanth: radeon hd 4600 would be nice
Kano: why me? thats up to you.
michaellarabel: What about PTS?
Kano: i mean some benchmarks
Kano: or against 2 normal 9800 gtx in sli mode
Xemanth: starkmjolk: yeah huh, motherboard selection is quite hard project
Kano: or whatever you have got twice ;)
Kano: just not the crippled 256 mb cards
Kano: dont compare those, that hurt
Kano: s
Xemanth: starkmjolk: http://www.verkkokauppa.com/productimages/orig/67952_01.jpg what about this, makes of sata connector esata :P
starkmjolk: Xemanth: don't over think it, most of them are good :)
starkmjolk: Xemanth: that's doable too :)
Xemanth: costs 4e
Kano: you get one when you buy a sata case anyway
maligor: not exactly same specs in esata
Kano: sure,but thats bascially only about max cable lengh
Kano: those adapters work fine usually
Xemanth: ok
Xemanth: i just fear that esata will die like firewire
starkmjolk: firewire was too expensive, esata should be cheap in the long run
starkmjolk: the controllers are already there
maligor: and drives
maligor: just need a cable and a enclosure
Ivanovic: hi
Deanjo: Well Kano after pretty much benchmarking a couple of 8800GT's some things come easily apparent. Most linux games are badly CPU limited. The only time you see a difference on most of them is if you override their AA and AF. and then there is a appreciable difference. The ioquake games as whole don't get much of a boost (if any). Games like xplane ET QW do get a healthy boost @ higher res and with AA and AF maxed out.
Kano: Deanjo: thats what i have seen with older benchmarks with a slow amd cpu
maligor: and a 8800GT SLI?
Deanjo: Well kano even on a Phenom 9850 OC'd to 3 Ghz it was still the bottleneck
Kano: especially nvidia gpus like extreme cpu power ;)
Kano: over 3 ghz if possible
michaellarabel: Deanjo, in one of the test profiles that gives problems, can you open up like pts/test-profiles/nexuiz.xml and where you see $VIDEO_WIDTH replace that with 1600 and where you see $VIDEO_HEIGHT replace that with 1200
maligor: now we just need nvidia cpu's which require binary drivers for the cpu
Deanjo: Lightmark for example did show big time improvement as well
maligor: a special binary blob that loads the kernel
Deanjo: michaellarabel, I will after work
michaellarabel: thanks, I am concerned about your problem but am not too sure where the regression is
Kano: Deanjo: from my point of view all amd cpus are too slow. you can oc intel much better.
mcgreg: michaellarabel: hey .. I've just read the article aboiut the radeon 4870x2 .. and I see you say the ddr5 ram speed is 900mhz ... which , as far as I read many other article in deed is really 1800mhz -> 3600mhz (because of ddr)
mcgreg: well, I am not 100% sure about this though.. I just wonder
maligor: you mean gddr5
mcgreg: sure
maligor: wikipedia says it's supposed to be twice as fast (bandwidth) as gddr4 per hertz
Deanjo: A lot of it has to do though as well Kano is that most linux games are simply not demanding enough on the graphics
maligor: most games aren't demanding enough
maligor: the ones that are are the top end of the fps genre
michaellarabel: CrossFire testing is being done with a 4GHz Intel CPU, 2560 x 1600 resolution, and high AA/AF etc
Deanjo: I doubt UT3 will push it much harder too maligor
Kano: Deanjo: well crysis would be the best test
Kano: ut3 is not that demanding
Deanjo: lol Crysis can break anything
michaellarabel: 3 weeks from tomorrow until PTS 1.2...
Deanjo: Maybe with OGL3 maybe newer stuff will finally start pushing the graphics hardware harder. Right now as it is, there isn't much motivation for multigpu in linux unless your planning something like cuda development
Kano: when you are used to 40-60 fps as minimum then crysis will have got 25 with higher detail settings
Kano: or even lessn
Deanjo: DNF for Linux will be our savior :P
Kano: haha
Xemanth: michaellarabel: any plans bringing nice qt4 gui for pts ?
Kano: modified unreal engine i have heart
Kano: before i would have guessed they would use something from id
michaellarabel: Xemanth: Nope, not unless someone else writes it. Then I'll gladly accept it.
Xemanth: ok
michaellarabel: Last time I programmed in Qt was an early Qt3 version.
Xemanth: that dual bios system sounds very nice
Xemanth: GA-MA78G-DS3H has it
Kano: dual bios is just a joke on new gigabyte boards
redeeman: how so?
Kano: only old ones had 2 bios chip
redeeman: are you sure?
redeeman: i thought it was the whole "quad bios" that was a joke
Kano: if you manage to update the bios with a valid checksum but the bios is broken then the board is dead
Kano: it only checks the checksum, if it does not match, then the 2nd bios is used, but it is stored in the same chip
redeeman: i see
Kano: like when you try your own bios mods it does not protect you in any way
redeeman: that sucks
redeeman: why the hell would they do that?!
Kano: 2 bios chips are more expensive than a single one
redeeman: surely that cannot be a big difference
Kano: also now they chip is not in a removable socket anymore
Kano: thats also cheaper
redeeman: well two soldered chips cannot still be so expensive
Kano: my s939 board here has both chips in sockets and the are removeable
redeeman: i mean ffs, those that buy gigabyte boards are not out looking for the most elcheapo solution anyway
Kano: well soldered is problematic too
Kano: it makes no fun to return the board when your bios mod failed
Kano: as your checksum is usually correct
Kano: this board i modded. like i updated the silicon image firmware to the latest available - because the old raid firmware did not work at all when i wanted to try it
Kano: also some time ago i had the ata protection bios addon there too
Kano: http://fitzenreiter.de/ata/ata_eng.htm
Kano: this one
Kano: you can use ata security to lock your drives and unlock on boot
Kano: that works fine when you use a ps2 keyboard
Kano: do not try to use usb ;)
redeeman: what is that entire ata password thing?
redeeman: disks actually supports passwords?
Kano: they support even 2 passwords
Kano: do you remember the xbox 1?
redeeman: yeah but i know nothing of it's hardware
Kano: well without modchip the harddrive has to be password protected
Kano: that means when you want to replace it, the new drive has to use the same password as lock
Kano: there are tools which use a bufferoverflow in savegames which make it possible to start custom code
Kano: those tools read out the eeprom from the xbox, in that the password was stored
Kano: every box has a custom pass
Kano: you can unlock the drive with it and of course you can lock a new drive
Kano: anonther way to get it was to hotswap the hd, in that case you prepare a pc which has set to pause after hd detection
Kano: then you put on the running hd from a running xbox and then you got access too
Kano: well that is very tricky to do ;)
Kano: some laptops use that kind of protection too, i think some ibm ones used that
Kano: and atasx enables it for the rest
Kano: the data is NOT protected usually, there exists only a few hd which encrypt the data with a pass you specify with ata commands
Kano: usually when you can replace the controlle with a modified one which does not check the passwords you could read it out too. data recovery specialits have that
Kano: a normal one usually not
Kano: but it took me too much time to enter a pass on every reboot ;)
Kano: what i also replaced was the pxe loader code. especially the sis pxe loader is crap, therefore i put a gpxe loader in it
Kano: well it seems nobody else ever modfied a bios ;)
Kano: i would like to add cefull but i dont wnat that my board does not boot in case of an error...
Kano: the boards i modded already dont run it correctly
Deanjo: michael, $VIDEO_WIDTH replace that with 1600 and where you see $VIDEO_HEIGHT replace that with 1200 <---- does not resolve issue
Deanjo: even lightmark fails
Deanjo: anything that calls on a graphic display fails