niklauz: it's kinda like the old debate, i want limitless complexity of capabilities, but constrained complexity of mgmt
shital_: How can i install splashtop on Hard disk what all the minimum packages i need to install?? any help?
shital_: sources on
sF|: does somebody have 780G/Radeon HD 3200 mobo and is using integrated graphics?
Xemanth: I'm not sure that should i buy that mobo... or should i buy nvidia mobo with geforce 8200
Xemanth: http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?l1=3&l2=149&l3=639&l4=0&model=2064&modelmenu=1
Xemanth: http://www.verkkokauppa.com/popups/prodinfo.php?id=32019 or this one
starkmjolk: Xemanth: I do
Xemanth: starkmjolk: are you happy with it ?
starkmjolk: I'm at work though so semi-afk :)
starkmjolk: yeah, have a gigabyte board. the nb cooler could be bigger. can pass 60C on the heatsink surface when using 3D
starkmjolk: but otherwise it's a great budget board
Xemanth: starkmjolk: how does drivers work? do you use radeonhd/ati/fglrx ?
starkmjolk: I'm using the blob atm
starkmjolk: I'll migrate this year probably
starkmjolk: (to radeonhd)
Xemanth: does compiz work nicely +
Xemanth: ?
starkmjolk: I don't use it on that comp but I tried it a few moments earlier and that wasn't a problem
Xemanth: starkmjolk: have you measured power consumption of your system ?
starkmjolk: Xemanth: nope, sorry. but aren't there any decent reviews around that've done that?
Xemanth: yes, i have seen couple power consumption tests but they are little high :|
starkmjolk: the heatsink tells you it can't be that bad, it's very very small :)
starkmjolk: (heat generation ~= power consumption)
Xemanth: http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/780power_04160870438/16838.png
Xemanth: i have also athlon x2 4850e cpu
starkmjolk: I suppose every watt count but I'd much rather have AMD than nvidia (the blob thing)
Xemanth: starkmjolk: i know, that makes the desicion harder :|
Xemanth: but that review is done march
Xemanth: april
Xemanth: so something might have changed after that
starkmjolk: it makes it easier, either you descide blobs are ok and you have a choice, or you vote with your money and say blobs aren't ok (getting AMD)
starkmjolk: Xemanth: same chipsets, shouldn't have
starkmjolk: I would probably have a c2d right now if it wasn't for what I've seen AMD/ATI do for openness through phoronix
Xemanth: michaellarabel: maybe it would be possible to get phoronic article which compares 780G&Radeon HD 3200 and Geforce 8200 ?
Xemanth: starkmjolk: its just that nvidia doesn't care where i put my money
starkmjolk: Xemanth: of course they do, or do you mean they're screwed anyway? :)
Xemanth: starkmjolk: they are screwed anyway =)
starkmjolk: (:
Xemanth: balance is turning to 780g solution but i would like to see new information that is the power consumption reduced these days
starkmjolk: Xemanth: I'm happy with mine with the reservation above. go get it while it's hot :)
starkmjolk: if you don't mind paying a few bucks extra you can also check out the new 790GX
starkmjolk: better SB and a overclocked gpu core
Xemanth: in Finland 790FX/GX or what so ever mobos cost too much
Xemanth: 100e minimum
starkmjolk: I'm from sweden, think I payed about 700SEK for my gigabyte 780G
Xemanth: http://www.verkkokauppa.com/popups/prodinfo.php?id=22947 73€
starkmjolk: about the same then :)
shital_: i downloaded the splashtop source code, i want it to compile manually and install it on my Hard disk, which package first i need to install??
Xemanth: how much space does splashtop need?
Xemanth: starkmjolk: btw have you tried lm sensors with your mobo
starkmjolk: Xemanth: yepp, I get values, can't say if they're correct though
starkmjolk: :)
starkmjolk: do you want a pastebin of one?
Xemanth: yea that would be nice
starkmjolk: http://pastebin.com/d24d3b56a - it's been running mencoder for 20 hours straight basically :)
Xemanth: haha whats that +100C value :D
Xemanth: meh work away ->
starkmjolk: would be the power circuitry, and might be right
starkmjolk: haven't had the time to jump in with my fluke IR-sensor yet, will tell me the truth :)
maligor: Xemanth, order from germany
Xemanth: http://img.tomshardware.com/us/2008/03/04/amd_780g_chipset/chart_system_power_idle.png and this grap saays really weird results again
Xemanth: graph*
Xemanth: 41W idle power consumption of the system
Ivanovic: moin
starkmjolk: Xemanth: I stopped reading toms hardware 5 years ago or so. they lost my trust really.
Ivanovic: michaellarabel: http://emmes.livejournal.com/1783.html
Xemanth: starkmjolk: i c
Xemanth: starkmjolk: what memory kit do you have?
Xemanth: i'm going to have with that mobo 2x 2 Gb A-Data Vitesta 800 MHz
Xemanth: blah
starkmjolk: Xemanth: on the 780G? 2x2GB Corsair Dominator PC8500. RAM is too cheap these days :P
maligor: Not 4x ?
maligor: 8GB is always better than 4GB!
starkmjolk: maligor: tbh I've never seen it be full, so 4 modules would probably just loosen the timings and make the machine slower
maligor: it's a shame there doesn't seem to be any EFI enabled boards
starkmjolk: 8GB is always more than 4, I'll give you that :P
maligor: err.. boards with EFI (with AMD chipsets)
starkmjolk: maligor: I've understood it's newer and shinier, but what is the real benefit?
maligor: no more BIOS.
Xemanth: starkmjolk: 780g yep
maligor: It's more or less totally obsolete piece of crap
starkmjolk: true, but if it ain't broken don't fix it :P
starkmjolk: (now we can argue if it is broken or not :) )
Xemanth: maligor: http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2008/07/08/is-more-memory-better/1
maligor: BIOS's are broken
starkmjolk: but what aspects get unbroken from a user perspective?
maligor: more memory is always better if the alternative is swap
Xemanth: maligor: linux doesn't need swap
maligor: uh?
maligor: what are you smoking?
Xemanth: if you have enough memory no need for swap space
maligor: tricky statement
maligor: the ram will always get used
maligor: http://kerneltrap.org/node/3202
rbrett: starkmjolk: EFI runs in 32bit, meaning quicker initialization. It also allows you to have 128 Primary partitions using a new partition table (GPT)
Ivanovic: rbrett: and it opens a completely new kind of security hole
Ivanovic: network access directly at system start
Ivanovic: (that is EFI is network enabled, no idea why they really did this...)
rbrett: Ivanovic: blame Intel
Ivanovic: rbrett: i won't blame anyone for this since efi is (from a user perspective) not needed anyway
maligor: Ivanovic, any good bootloader would be network enabled (or allow it as a option rather)
maligor: allows remote fixing of boot
rbrett: I agree, and to be honest, precious few motherboards actually have a decent implementation.
maligor: maybe efi is bit of a monster tho
rbrett: MSI was making an EFI board with a graphical menu, but that news is nearly 6 months old with no updates.
Ivanovic: IMO the job of the thing right at the start of booting is to initialize all devices and then just call the bootloader to handle the rest
Ivanovic: (no matter how this thing is really called, if it is bios, efi or something different)
rbrett: maligor: It's a lot of extra complexity for very little gain (depending on the user)
rbrett: Ideally you would just start the bootloader, let the operating system initialize devices...
maligor: a completely dumb bootloader would be rather useless
Ivanovic: in this case i'd say "no!"
Ivanovic: since then the OS would have a hell of a job with checking *everything* it could initialize
Ivanovic: where the firmware in the device is device specific and as such knows what to initialize
maligor: just add a table to the firmware with devices on the thing
maligor: ofcourse this is already starting to become complex ;)
maligor: things are never so simple
Kano: maligor: do you now the q35? you can even boot iso images over network with it
Kano: direct support
maligor: now?
maligor: well, I meant remote, as in: connect to the device remotely
maligor: not connect to a boot image remotely
maligor: the stuff that all embedded device bootloaders have
Kano: just dont know if the software needed for that runs with linux yet, for win it is definitely available
Kano: otherweise pxe is usually enough, you can enable that in bios
Kano: there is even a gpxelinux.0 now,for problematic implementions - inside current syslinux
shital__: Kano: if i install Splashtop on Hard Drive will that boot with same time if it is on Motherboard??
Kano: which is basically pxelinux.0 combined with gpxe
Kano: shital__: the "its on motherboard" is the ssd variant which can be emulated with an usb drive
Kano: usually a normal hd is even faster
Kano: at least compared to cheap usb sticks
shital__: ok
maligor: how fast are the fast usb sticks these days?
maligor: 40MB/s?
Kano: depends on how much money you like to spend
maligor: 40MB/s is the maximum I think you can get out of usb2
Kano: well usually the max is about 30
Kano: via usb2
maligor: hmm.. maybe I should test splashtop too
Kano: 480mbit is the theory
maligor: I'm sure I have a extra cf card somewhere
Kano: but not the real speed
shital__: Kano: As said in wiki, splashtop uses the packages Bootsplash, SquashFS, Blackbox SCIM and Kernel, using only these packages can i able to install it on HD?
Kano: it works with any usb stick >= 256 mb if you board can boot from it, or you put the ce_bz kernel on the hd
Kano: wiki?
Kano: which wiki?
maligor: well, all the usb/hdd chips I've seen max out at 40MB/s
shital__: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Splashtop
maligor: which is 320mbit
Kano: which motherboard can transfer 40 mb via usb?
starkmjolk: in theory 40MBps shouldn't be a problem, I don't know about the reality though :)
maligor: pretty sure this one can
maligor: I could test
Kano: then do so
Kano: usualyl the max is around 30
maligor: need to rescrew some pieces
maligor: I might remember wrong too
Kano: but only with real good boards
Kano: via boards get about 10-15
Kano: nforce2 not much more
Kano: 3 maybe 20
shital__: Kano: Can i able to do with above packages or i need extra other packages if any?
starkmjolk: 780G (and other modern AMD) use 4x PCIE for SB/NB connection
starkmjolk: no physical bottleneck, would be protocol overhead and such that made it go slower
maligor: I wonder why they don't use HT
Kano: shital__: in theory you can extrac the packages to any partition until you write the splash.idx file. this is done automatically when you use the windows installer (exe file)
Kano: after installing it you have to be sure that you disable ahci
maligor: I guess HT would be slightly overkill
Kano: in bios and then you can boot the ce_bz file. if you want i can give you grub2 for win
shital__: Kano, i have that grub2
starkmjolk: maligor: probably will sometime, but I don't think there is a need atm
Kano: shital__: fine
Kano: then use it
shital__: but dont know how to extract it to separate partition
shital__: Kano: if suppose i want to install it with the lelp of source code what all the minimal packages i need?
Kano: there no minimal, run the installer
shital__: No other ways??
shital__: with the help of linux OS?
Kano: what you do need of minimal?!
maligor: Kano, oh, you're correct, it was only 30MB/s, remembered wrong
shital__: I mean, i just want have Packages that are sufficient to boot the splashtop without any utilities
shital__: even no GUI
Kano: shital__: the pure installer is enough,but you may need some extra files
shital__: ok
Kano: you can disable gui with NOX option when you modify the skin0000.bin,but that no gui thing is unusable
Kano: because you always geht errors in it
shital__: ok,
shital__: if i get konsole its fine
shital__: i mean terminal
Kano: adding xterm makes mor sense with my xterm.sqx
Kano: then youc an run it with alt-f1
shital__: ok, how much flash it requires to install minimal Splashtop?
Kano: 256 i told you, not enough for java 1.6 addon until you remove for example skype
shital__: ok
Kano: using a bigger one you could set the space for it to 300, thats usually enough for all extra addons
shital__: ok,
Kano: just replace the 240 by 300
shital__: ok
Kano: on the 2nd partition you can store data
Kano: 1st is for addons
shital__: splashtop has GNU C compiler?
Kano: nope
Kano: add one if you need one ,)
Kano: sqx is only squashfs, but dont use a too new variant of it
shital__: ok, but donno how, as it requires package in .sqx format
maligor: squashfs-tools?
Kano: look at the others, bacially you put all dirs in it + edit vactrl
shital__: vactrl??
Kano: extract some sqx files, then you get the idea
Kano: unsquashf -d dirname file.sqx
Kano: unsquashfs
shital__: ok
shital__: Kano, Splashtop uses windows OS only for its installation, after that nothing more am i right?
Xemanth: starkmjolk: i think i'm going to buy GA-MA78GM-S2H :)
Kano: you dont need win then
Kano: thats just the most easy way to "install"
Kano: if you dont like usb boot
shital__: Kano: now i can able to unsquasfs the .sqx file, but to make .sqx file what should be its structure?
shital__: because each sqx file contains vactl whats that?
starkmjolk: Xemanth: when I think about it I kind of miss eSATA, but don't know if there is an alternative
starkmjolk: Xemanth: anyway, I've installed a few of them and I think its a good mobo, you should be satisfied :)
Xemanth: starkmjolk: only thing which i'm little worried -> memory compatibility
Xemanth: i had one abit am2 board which had compatibility issues with kingston hyperx memory
Xemanth: bad memories :(
Xemanth: with memories i don't mean ddr2 mem sticks :D
starkmjolk: heh :) it's all up to the CPU really, not so much the motherboard
Xemanth: well i changed my mobo and problem dissappeared, i bought Assrock ALiveNF7G-HDready
starkmjolk: ok, then it was probably a problem with the board other than compatibility
starkmjolk: the memory controller is in the cpu :)
Xemanth: starkmjolk: yep
Ivanovic: michaellarabel: re the keyboard test you just posted
Ivanovic: have you tried to get the keycodes by hand using xev?
Ivanovic: this worked nicely to create an .Xmodmap for my cymotion linux edition
Ivanovic: and once the keys are assigned to names they can easily be used in basically all progs
michaellarabel: Ivanovic: Yes, I mentioned in the review that's what I was doing
Ivanovic: (sorry, have not read everything too much in detail, was just wondering about the "missing keys" on the last page)
michaellarabel: ah
Deanjo: did you get a chance to look into the gaming suite bug michaellarabel ?
michaellarabel: The one you reported with the weird error?
Deanjo: Ya
michaellarabel: Nexuiz ran absolutely fine for me with git
michaellarabel: Haven't got to Urban Terror yet... Running each test one by one
Deanjo: All the games are giving no results
michaellarabel: What happens if you like: cd ~/.phoornix-test-suite/installed-tests/nexuiz/; ./nexuiz
Deanjo: The game launches
michaellarabel: hmmm
michaellarabel: in that nexuiz file can you uncomment the "| grep fps" part? to see what else is otuputted?
Deanjo: sure
Deanjo: Initializing Video Mode: fullscreen 1600x1200x32x60hz
Deanjo: Loading OpenGL driver libGL.so.1
Deanjo: Couldn't open the X display
Deanjo: Desired video mode fail, trying fallbacks...
Deanjo: Initializing Video Mode: fullscreen 1600x1200x32x60hz
Deanjo: Loading OpenGL driver libGL.so.1
Deanjo: Couldn't open the X display
Deanjo: Initializing Video Mode: fullscreen 1600x1200x32x60hz
Deanjo: Loading OpenGL driver libGL.so.1
Deanjo: Couldn't open the X display
Deanjo: Initializing Video Mode: fullscreen 1600x1200x32x60hz
Deanjo: Loading OpenGL driver libGL.so.1
Deanjo: it looks like the screen res detection is what is giving the problem
michaellarabel: hmmm
michaellarabel: 1600 x 1200 not supported by your monitor?
Deanjo: Ya it is
michaellarabel: So then I am trying to figure out what the problem would be...
Deanjo: That's this particular monitors native res
michaellarabel: so then how would the monitor detection code be wrong?
Deanjo: That error replicates it's self through all the res's
michaellarabel: Is the info reported in xrandr correct?
Deanjo: yup
Deanjo: Gonna check somthing brb
Kano: hi michaellarabel
michaellarabel: Kano, hi
Kano: do you think that slashdot censors news messages about splashtop because of one advisor: Larry Augustin – former CEO of VA Linux (SourceForge / Slashdot / Linux.com)
michaellarabel: I'd like to think they don't sensor it because of Larry's investment, but it wouldn't really surprise me if they did.
Kano: did you get any response yet about the last thing i found out?
michaellarabel: just that they're investigating
Kano: well it is not really hard to "investigate", just 2 packages are involved
michaellarabel: right
Kano: one contains the extra symlink
michaellarabel: BTW, Kano, had a Debian/scripting problem yesterday... Wonder if you knew the problem. http://phorogit.com/index.php?p=phoronix-test-suite.git&b=6df72210af869fc002749831607eb9a783281aaa the synaptic line will just return and not actually run synaptic, when you need the root access.
Kano: do you need synaptic? everything can do apt-get
Kano: i never use it ;)
michaellarabel: Well, Mario Limoncello was complaining before about it
Kano: well you can start xterm
Kano: when you have display set
Kano: xterm -e command
Kano: in case you run it with a gui
Kano: also ! -z is useless, basically [ "$var" ] or [ -n "$var" ] is what you really want
Kano: at least it looks badly ;)
Kano: next thing, you dont check about the username = root
Kano: thats unimportant
michaellarabel: I had just based this on Mario's install script in fglrx for Ubuntu
Kano: well he does really stupid things then ;)
Kano: bash has $UID set,but to be dash compatible you can use:
Kano: [ "$(id -u)" != 0 ]
Kano: it is very unlikely that somebody renames root or adds more accounts with uid 0,but you should not check whoami
Kano: $ROOT "sh -c 'echo \"$@ install\" | /usr/sbin/synaptic --set-selections --non-interactive --hide-main-window'"
Kano: do you really need the " in the echo?
Kano: and outside
Kano: it is needed if you use sh -c but not when do you something else
Kano: michaellarabel: do get keycode messages in log with the new keyboard you have got? when you get unknown keycode messages you can set em manually
michaellarabel: Kano: No, not in dmesg or xev
Kano: well i had that problem with a wireless ms keyboard...
Kano: i returned it,because even with direct X games it had issues not only with linux
Kano: it added extra keys in games
michaellarabel: Something like 9 test profiles updated in PTS git
Deanjo: I I installed phoronix-test-suite-1.0.3.tar.gz and the game tests work in that
michaellarabel: can you try 1.0.5?
Deanjo: sure, I got an errand to run first
michaellarabel: ok
Deanjo: michaellarabel, 1.0.5 works fine
Deanjo: The error is only in git
michaellarabel: hmmm
redeeman: hah, just read the ocz keyboard review
redeeman: i must admit, i was interrested, untill i saw the alt/ctrl thing
Deanjo: lol reminded my of the time I cleaned the keyboard by popping off the keys and went nuts trying to figure out why my alt/ctrl commands were not working
redeeman: i hate "wrong" keyboard layourts
redeeman: it's also the reason i cannot get a thinkpad
redeeman: not having ctrl in the corner is simply unforgivable
Deanjo: actually come to think of it I reversed the alt/windows keys
Deanjo: I wonder if anybody actually uses them damn things
Deanjo: At least on the Logitech G15 you can disable the window keys with a flick of a switch
Kano: redeeman: i had a script in bashrc that automatically swapped ctrl and shift lock, because of some stupid sun keyboard layout. do you know those keyboards?
redeeman: nope i don't know them
Deanjo: Heh, I would gladly sign any petition outlawing capslock keys
redeeman: you cant
redeeman: it would destroy layouts
Deanjo: Just make the shift key larger
redeeman: you mean higher?!
redeeman: has eu keyboard layout
Deanjo: Ya like some enter keys
redeeman: that's insane
redeeman: i don't need a big shift key
redeeman: i do however sometimes find capslock moderately useful
Deanjo: Caps lock should be a 6-key combination to enable :P
redeeman: no much better
redeeman: when ones user is created at the OS
redeeman: one must solve a number of problems
redeeman: before the OS allows one to use it
Deanjo: Something like Ctrl,F2,B,P Scroll Lock and Right arrow :D
redeeman: lol i love vnstat
redeeman: so nice little app :D
Deanjo: Found a nice combination bug this morning. evdev+Logitech mouse+ioquake games = uncontrollable cursor
Deanjo: It likes to float around on the screen on it's own
Deanjo: michaellarabel, is there are reason why your using yast to install the openSUSE packages in PTS instead of zypper?
redeeman: can someone explain to me why suse feels the need to continously replace the package system?
Kano: well yast -i should do or not?
redeeman: hard to tell these days
redeeman: :)
Deanjo: zypper has been the default since 10.3 previous yast backend was horribly slow
redeeman: but do they all work with the same backend system or?
michaellarabel: Deanjo: Because Yast is what I know, though patches welcome
Deanjo: Before 10.3 the back end was zmd which was horrid redeeman
redeeman: ah zmd, their novell enterprise thingie?
redeeman: goes back to his previous position: suse are insane
Deanjo: Ya they got that with the acquirement of Ximian and after much protest killed it
Deanjo: Thankfully
Deanjo: Which test is it that requires GLEW again?
Deanjo: michaellarabel, to use zypper all you should have to change is the yast -i line int he opensuse-packages.sh to
Deanjo: su root -c "zypper in --non-interactive $@"
Deanjo: not a big deal, just doesn't have the ncurses interface pop up and saves a weeeee bit of time
Deanjo: I guess leaving it as yast would allow for previous suse versions to still install though no matter what the backend is
Deanjo: http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/08/11/via-quits-motherboard-chipset
Deanjo: Goooooood riddance
redeeman: now we just need nvidia to follow suit
redeeman: and the world will be a better place
Deanjo: Heh, OGL 3 finally, I bet nv will be the first to support it
redeeman: probably
Deanjo: intel/ati maybe 6 months later
redeeman: maybe even later
redeeman: ofcourse it's useless due to nvidias stability
redeeman: if there was a bet
Deanjo: I have no issues with stability
redeeman: whether it hurts to be kicked in the crotch
redeeman: or nvidia being stable
Deanjo: as been said many times before
redeeman: it would be safest to bet on it not hurting to be kicked
redeeman: even if that is so, other people arent so lucky
Deanjo: there are people that are not so lucky on pretty much every chipser
Deanjo: chipset
Deanjo: With the near infinite combinations of hardware out there your always going to have stuff that works fine for some and not for others
redeeman: yeah but that's not what im complaining about
redeeman: im complaining about very real bugs
redeeman: such as nforce professional ALWAYS bugging out if you use atapi on IDE with >=4gb ram
redeeman: bugs which are very damn annoying
redeeman: and should have never been allowed to go into production
redeeman: leaving people to pull out dimms
redeeman: untill they can establish the non-merged kernel patch
redeeman: which disables DMA on atapi
redeeman: leaving the cdrom drive quite very slow
redeeman: but atleast not-crashing
redeeman: due to some nvidia moron not even bothering to actually test their crap before pushing "send!" to TSMC
Deanjo: redeeman, that issue I have not been able to replicate with the tyan systems. michael's system also works fine with it as well IIRC
redeeman: well.. there is an lkml thread
redeeman: various boards are affected
redeeman: i believe this specific one is an msi
redeeman: with dual opteron sockets
Deanjo: lol wouldn't be the first time MSI put out crap
redeeman: they arent the only ones
redeeman: ahhhaha, it also affects tyan boards
redeeman: you must have another version then
Deanjo: most recent one I did was on a n6550EX
redeeman: i can easily accept that some motherboard manufacturers do crap
redeeman: but when nvidia is involved
redeeman: it's infinitely more likely that THEY screwed up
redeeman: especially when it's multiple motherboard manufacturers with only nvidia chips in common
Deanjo: Na alot of times when issues creep up like that it can also be found to be a crappy reference bios too
Deanjo: Even intel is prone to buggy chipsets as well *cough*EIST bug*cough*
michaellarabel: Argh, damn IRC logger stopping
Deanjo: Good then you have no proof of all the nasty things we have being saying about your michaellarabel :P
Deanjo: Closing in on 9 months and still no UT3
michaellarabel: Deanjo: I am still struggling to figure out your problem
Deanjo: heh, I always seem to stump people
michaellarabel: Oh, I did have another question for you. If you run: nvidia-settings --query all does it show anything regarding your SLI configuration?
Deanjo: One sec, I'll enable it and check BRB
Kano: michaellarabel: i guess you can parse xorg log file
michaellarabel: Kano: If there is an NV Extension query for it, I'd much rather use that
Kano: michaellarabel: how about asking in #nvidia or in nvnews.net - there are the nv devs
Deanjo: yup http://pastebin.com/m7deaccab
michaellarabel: Well, I could throw together an SLI system too, but Deanjo uses PTS so I'd much rather ask him than some people at NV that hate me.
Deanjo: lol
Deanjo: Attribute 'SLIMode' (linux:0.0): AUTO <---- lists the mode there
Kano: Deanjo: upload your logfile
Kano: /var/log/Xorg.0.log
michaellarabel: hmm so it doesn't list any of the attribute information for SLIMode?
michaellarabel: or if you run: nvidia-settings --query SLIMode
Deanjo: well my sli config is set to "on" right now
Deanjo: so it would show the mode as AUTO
Deanjo: http://pastebin.com/m1c0ab285 <--- there you go Kano
Kano: NVIDIA SLI enabled
Kano: parse for that
Kano: there must be something with mulitgpu too
Kano: for the gx2
Deanjo: Ya the values are listed as what they will show up as should be listed in the nvidia-xconfig -A
Kano: MultiGPU is the option
Kano: do you have got a gx2?
michaellarabel: Deanjo: But not all of them directly correlate to the NV Extension I don't think
Deanjo: Well let me see what it shows up as when I change it from on to sdr or afr
Deanjo: Brb
Deanjo: http://pastebin.com/m63abefd <--- ya it reports what mode it's in now
michaellarabel: Deanjo: What does nvidia-settings --query SLIMode report?
Deanjo: Attribute 'SLIMode' (linux:0.0): SFR
michaellarabel: Okay
michaellarabel: So I'll just check != "Off"
Deanjo: BRB again
Kano: michaellarabel: well there are more than one mode
Kano: maybe parse the mode too
Kano: also there is a doom override, you know that?
michaellarabel: yes
Kano: __GL_DOOM3=1 doom3
Kano: i guess for other id games this might help too
mha: michaellarabel: howcome you cut rss feed articles to a % of a total lenght instead of a fixed max? :)
mha: i.e. max 1024 chars of the total article.
michaellarabel: it cuts out after 2 or 3 sentences.
mha: I've noticed that long articles gets a long rss entry, short ones gets a tiny rss entry
mha: the openmotoko post didn't even reach 2 sentenses
mha: while some gets a whole paragraph
michaellarabel: the whole paragraph is used for the summary on articles. For news entries that's where it's 2-3 sentences.
mha: 1.5 in avg on short news. look at "Planning Intel's Next Driver Release" & "X.Org 7.4 To Lose DRI2 Support" for example
michaellarabel: http://feeds.feedburner.com/Phoronix k
mha: I am using http://www.phoronix.com/rss.php atm. Is http://feeds.feedburner.com/Phoronix different?
michaellarabel: no, it redirects to that
mha: yes. same md5sum I noticed
mha: and yes. the redirect.
mha: :)
mha: michaellarabel: as a suggestion, consider separating the rss into two streams. One including full articles, the other doing the current summary.
mha: that's the one of the rss advantages. imho. no need for 10 different web layouts, sites, etc. Having all your stuff looking the same in one place. :)
michaellarabel: I don't have any plans for a full-length RSS feed due to the advertising reasons
mha: aha. so you want the site clicks.
mha: include the advertisement pics in the rss
mha: lots of rss readers have image support.
michaellarabel: Yes, of course I want the clicks.
michaellarabel: JavaScript ads are the ones I need in there...
mha: hackaday.com have their pics included in their rss feeds. advertisement should also be possible.
mha: hmhm
mha: can you convert the javascript to some form of php html code outputter?
michaellarabel: I think that would be against the terms of service for all the ad networks we use.
mha: aha.
michaellarabel: I'd love to have a full-article RSS, but it's hard enough as it with operating expenses, it's simply not economical.
mha: heh. noticed that I have *.kontera.com/* and *.ttzmedia.com/affiliate/* in my block lists :)
mha: I should make some open advertisement database which you could download browser compatible dumps from. hm. perhaps that exists.
michaellarabel: What is it that you have against advertisements?
Deanjo: hmmm, I've seem to have fixed my sli issue
michaellarabel: how'd you manage that?
Deanjo: Honestly, beats the hell out of me
Deanjo: wonder if a xorg update I did today fixed it
Deanjo: that's the only thing I can think of
Kano: Deanjo: did you use the doom overide setting when you play id games?
Deanjo: Hey michaellarabel on the game profiles are you setting all the eyecandy to max?
mha: michaellarabel: I understand the concept that it's an income for sites. Although many advertisement sites includes distribution of flash applets, random javascripts hilighting words, etc. While I don't want to disable javascript and flash for all my sites, I do like to disable these imho irritating objects on sites I visit.
michaellarabel: Deanjo: I should be, but if you find one where it isn't, patches are welcome
mha: michaellarabel: I would probably not have done it in the first place, if the advertisement was for instance those google text advertisements. Or a gif image. Or a static JPEG.
mha: of course those kinds "old" advertisement methods does not bring in as many 1. accidental clicks from users and 2. attention clicks.
mha: so advertisement companises unfortunatly put it aside.
Deanjo: Just wondering because I have to pretty much crank AA AF to max before SLi starts making a difference
michaellarabel: Deanjo: In git should now be SLI detection reported to system info
Deanjo: nice, too bad I can't run git
michaellarabel: When you run it manually, what resolution do you select?
Deanjo: 1600x1200
michaellarabel: what happens if you try something else?
Deanjo: same thing
michaellarabel: Does ut2004-demo run?
Deanjo: Nope not in Git
michaellarabel: That doesn't use the resolution detection though
mha: michaellarabel: when I do an explained answer to your question I would atleast expect a response of acknowledgement. and/or perhaps an agreeanse or dissagreeanse. ohwell.
michaellarabel: mha: Yes, some advertisements can be annoying, but at Phoronix we don't try to serve the "annoying" ones.
Deanjo: Lightmark exploits SLi nicely
mha: michaellarabel: That is not how I meant / thought (that you deliberatly served annoying ones). However that's about the only criteria I would have for adding the filter to begin with.
mha: many of my added filters are 1-2yrs+ of collected "filtering". :)
mha: may be that your affiliate was actually blocked via some other sites using the same one.
michaellarabel: ok
Deanjo: http://global.phoronix-test-suite.com/index.php?k=profile&u=dean-8659-6971-32324
Deanjo: Kano, you know if you still have to use the doom override on ET:QW?
Kano: Deanjo: i would just bench it with and without
Kano: i guess it is still similar to doom3 like quake4, maybe a bit advanced
Deanjo: Well running it does show witht the onscreen SLi indicator that it is working
michaellarabel: Well, looks like Airlie pushed this out early, but yes both -ati and -radeonhd work with 4870 X2 - http://gitweb.freedesktop.org/?p=xorg/driver/xf86-video-ati.git;a=commit;h=7e456e9c427d48151b166bcac08c3e8a8b180f01
uncle_fungus: michaellarabel: I'm having a problem pulling a fresh clone from git
uncle_fungus: error: Couldn't get http://www.phorogit.com/repo/phoronix-test-suite.git/refs/heads/pts-trondheim for heads/pts-trondheim
uncle_fungus: The requested URL returned error: 404
michaellarabel: uncle_fungus: pts-trondheim has merged to master
uncle_fungus: yeah, I'm just doing git-clone http://www.phorogit.com/repo/phoronix-test-suite.git
uncle_fungus: has that changed?
michaellarabel: no
uncle_fungus: ok that's weird. It works fine on a different machine
Kevin___: hello everybody
Kevin___: doing some research about developer communities
Kevin___: would anyone like to volunteer for a few quick questions?
michaellarabel: Kevin___: Possibly
Milyardo: Same here, maybe
uncle_fungus: me too
maccam94: in case anybody's wondering, the intel 5300 wifi chip does NOT work OOTB with ubuntu 8.04.1