Phoronix IRC Log: 2008-08-09
netsurf3: anyone used a xpress 1100 with the new 8.7 ati?
Kano: hi michaellarabel, did you get a response from devicevm yet? problematic packages are bs-apache + va-photo..
michaellarabel: Anyone here using the NVIDIA binary blob with multiple monitors?
Kano: not me,but kajakk who developed gl2benchmark can use multiply monitors
Kano: i have got 2 monitors for 4 pcs ;)
michaellarabel: I have like 9 monitors, but just curious for other people what is the output of: nvidia-settings --query EnabledDisplays
michaellarabel: If you have one monitor, it should be 0x00010000, but if it's not, let me know.
Kano: yes thats for 1 monitor
Kano: i saw you wrote your own ati parser
Kano: currently it seems it is a textfile, but i think it was a binary before
michaellarabel: Well, inside the text file are some raw binary entries
michaellarabel: and I had to write my own parser since aticonfig --get-pcs-key is broken on some drivers :(
Kano: which key do you need to parse?
netsurf3: any of you bash scripters here?
netsurf3: i need something checking over
michaellarabel: Kano: A number of different keys. Right now in PTS for OpenGL AA and AF levels, to read those. Plus some other keys for new features.
netsurf3: is that the most efficent way?
Kano: well you can add a exit 1
Kano: also in your example i guess you start firefox as root, thats uncool
Kano: or has your truecypte +s?
netsurf3: i just modified sudoers
netsurf3: truecrypt runs without needing a password
Kano: but then you need sudo in front
netsurf3: truecrypt calls sudo automagically
netsurf3: and i disabled needing a tty for running sudo
netsurf3: not sure how dangerous that is however
Kano: well then you could have used chmod 4755 too ;)
legg: Hi Kano can you help me with splashtop?
Kano: legg: perhaps, what is your problem
netsurf3: Kano, damn you and your confounded special permissions :P
netsurf3: ah yes i am interested in the splashtop too
Kano: netsurf3: thats just suid
netsurf3: got an image at all for booting it?
Kano: well you can create usb sticks, install into windows, directly boot with with vbox
netsurf3: install into windows??
Kano: for windows i have got grub2 precompiled + install cmd files
legg: kano: I have a dualboot laptop, vista and ubuntu. I have installed the asus.000 and asus.sys on my vista partition... can I just add an entry to my existing grub to boot it?\
Kano: yes,thats why i showed last time the windows partition as security hole
Kano: legg: only grub2 has plugins to read from ntfs, but you can copy the ce_bz file over to your linux partition and start it with your normal grub
netsurf3: Kano, speaking of grub..
Kano: just copy it into /boot for example and start it
netsurf3: can you add stuff to it that allows it to boot usb disks?
legg: do I need to edit splash.idx?
Kano: legg: no, just your bios may not use ahci
legg: many thanks
netsurf3: Kano, i had a problem where i have a very very old P1 laptop and i needed to boot a usb drive to do anything with it
netsurf3: it has grub on from debian
netsurf3: but was never able to get it to boot anything :/
Kano: well in case of linux you just copy kernel + initrd onto hd
netsurf3: can you get it to do the same as a bios boot?
Kano: and boot that with your hd bootloader, the rest can be on the usb stick
Kano: it does not matter how you load the kernel. i even made a rescue iso script that can be used to install kanotix (or debian) hd installs from iso image
netsurf3: think i have a pcmica cdrom too i couldnt get to boot anything from :( its not even detected on my current computer sadly
Kano: and it does not even matter if those hd installs are on usb or not
netsurf3: but you still need a kernel on the booting hard drive?
netsurf3: it cant launch a kernel from a usb drive directly?
Kano: if you can not boot from cd or usb you have to store ti somewhere ;)
Kano: you can not access the usb drive without bios support, so no way to store it there
Kano: in case of old system
netsurf3: i see
Kano: another cool way is using pxe boot
Kano: i even wrote a script that can ubuntu iso images over lan
netsurf3: the network thing?
netsurf3: how does pxe work?
Kano: yes, of course it works for kanotix-ng too and kanotix has another solution for it
netsurf3: booting linux from a server interests me
Kano: well most easy way is when you have got 2 nics in the server
Kano: you connect one nic to internet, can be wlan too
netsurf3: sounds good
Kano: the other nic you connect to your target pc, if both pcs use 1 gbit nic you could even use a standard cable
Kano: or you connect that to a switch/hub and connect all target pcs to it
netsurf3: that would be the way i'd do it
netsurf3: i have a router
netsurf3: 4port switch etc
Kano: well you need a switch WITHOUT router
Kano: the dhcp server runs on your pc
Kano: it has to specify the pxe boot file
Kano: i made a 2nd script
Kano: where you can set special boot options depending on mac adress
netsurf3: what is the purpose of kanotix?
netsurf3: the aim of the livecd
Kano: kanotix is a live cd with hd installer, at least the normal one
Kano: kanotix-ng can not yet installed onto hd, but can do lots of funny thing
netsurf3: yeah but is it a recovery? or a DE
Kano: i preconfigured for example this iso image
Kano: with all 3d drivers - that means all 4 from nvidia + fglrx
netsurf3: good idea
Kano: automatically installed on bootup
netsurf3: most irritating thing in the world is lack of accelleration of any kind
Kano: that bench iso has got only a few apps, the most important one is gl2benchmark
netsurf3: that or finding out your hdd failed the smart health check :P
legg: title SplashTop
legg: root (hd0,1)
legg: kernel (hd0,2)/boot/ce_bz
Kano: i have got a mod of that benchmark iso which automatically starts gl2benchmak
Kano: legg: rmove the root
Kano: is your linux install on /dev/sda3?
netsurf3: Kano, maybe you should intergrate the phoronix benchmark suit?
Kano: i did then it was new
Kano: i even created a live image with the minimal required deps
Kano: then only remove the root line
legg: how will it find the sqx files?
legg: on the sda2 partition
Kano: the gl2benchmark startup script can parse options from the kernel - so with a modified iso you can show benchmark 1 on one system, benchmark 2 on the other
Kano: fully automatic
Kano: legg: sure
Kano: btw.to use the casper script, mount -o loop kanotix-ng-bench-2.6.26-5-generic.iso /cdrom
Kano: be sure you get internet from wlan or eth1
Kano: then you dont need to modifiy it
Kano: at least not for ubuntu or debian
Kano: then you start it and connect the client pcs to the nic with eth0
Kano: or override the entry in script
Kano: use a fixed ip
legg: Kano: ok I'm gonna reboot and try it, manythanks
Kano: the the one proposed in the script
Kano: but no gateway entry
Kano: when networkmanager is used for that device it does not always work. it only uses ifconfig to force ip
Kano: example with vbox
Kano: and here the kanotix-terminalserver
maligor: still suck in the ancient age of kde 3 eh
Kano: kde 4 has so many issues
Kano: no need to be the first to use it
maligor: tried 4.1?
Kano: no, i am happy with 3.5.5
Kano: well i tried the kubuntu image with kde 4
Kano: maybe it has 4.1
maligor: probably 4.0
Kano: but then it was really bad ;)
Kano: i mean the intrepid one
Kano: needed to add one line to my casper script for intrepid ,)
maligor: most noticeable difference is the desktop widget to show files
Kano: now it is also supported
maligor: in 4.0 files on the desktop were individual widgets
maligor: or.. plasmoids
Kano: well i dont use daily
Kano: live mode only
Kano: so have to go
avkn: what's that volume control in the Fedora 10 Alpha article screenshots? is that pulseaudio?
maligor: yes, pulseaudio
avkn: nice, i never liked the PA applet showing the PA banner across the top.
maligor: that's pavucontrol I think
avkn: so it's different?
maligor: what's different?
maligor: I've never used pulse much
avkn: the applet in the screenshot and the one with the PA banner
avkn: me too, i really don't understand what's so interesting with PA. i haen't used a distro version with one, anyway.
Vegar: I don't see what's so great with PA
Vegar: dmix does the job for me
redeeman: yeah it's not really as if it's some big science
redeeman: but everyone goes all crazy thinking they _MUST_ have pulseaudio and that linux audio is RUINED because someone created a piece of software
redeeman: it's silly
Vegar: PA doesn't even work properly
Vegar: at least not with dosbox
legg: which file do you download for expressgate?
legg: I d/led the hdd install, but I just get black screen
legg: will the dfi file work better?
redeeman: michaellarabel: hey, do you have an ETA on the GA-P45-DS5 review?
michaellarabel: redeeman: Hopefully this coming week
redeeman: okay, please be sure to test all the sata ports, or atleast that of the different controllers :)
redeeman: and i would be most happy if you could notice which drivers it uses etc
Deanjo: lol Started a pts universe install 11 hours ago and it's STILL downloading
michaellarabel: Is it slow on a particular test?
Deanjo: Ya there are a few that gave issues
michaellarabel: which ones?
Deanjo: Connecting to downloads.planetmirror.com|220.127.116.11|:80... failed: Connection timed out.
Deanjo: ETQW-demo2-client-full.r1.x86.run is taking 3 tries too
Deanjo: sorry tremulus took 2 tries
Deanjo: past that my history doesn't go that far
Deanjo: id's ftp maxes out @ about 30k
michaellarabel: hmmm need to find some new ETQW-demo mirrors...
Deanjo: too bad id's ftp doesn't support http
Deanjo: for a company as big as that limiting ftp to 30k bites
Deanjo: Reminds me of ftping in 1995
michaellarabel: and not to mention, during most hours their FTP server is maxed out for users :(
Kano: hmm nvidia now made a patch for 2.6.27 + 177.13
Kano: maybe i try 2.6.27 then..
michaellarabel: I wonder when NVIDIA will start submitting PTS patches...
Deanjo: Right after they finish working with me on my SLI issue :P
Kano: btw. i updated my nvidia script, if you already use 2.6.27 on debian or ubuntu
Kano: will try that ubuntu-next kernel soon...
redeeman: michaellarabel: that would be around 10 years after they fix 2d :P
Kalafk: how long has 2D been a problem?
redeeman: since 8xxx hardware came out
Kano: i guess only kde4 + ff3 users have go a problem, most with lower + mid range cards up to 8600
Kalafk: Kano, i got a problem
redeeman: Kalafk: and that's only counting the completely severe issues
Kalafk: and my pc is all but slow...
Kano: Kalafk: which card?
redeeman: they have always had lots of 2d unaccelerated
Kalafk: 8800 GTS 512
Kalafk: well, i think its bloody annoying
redeeman: yeah G92 is affected bigtime
Kano: not with kde 3.5.5, just booting up my kanotix system
redeeman: Kalafk: do you have openoffice?
Kalafk: not within reach :(
Kano: with the same card, maybe you use too new softwre ;)
redeeman: you should try it
Deanjo: It's an odd bug though, not all people systems are effected as bad
Kalafk: the linux system is down for now
redeeman: try openoffice impress
Kano: kde 3.5.5 and system runs *g*
redeeman: and follow dialog to create sample presentation
redeeman: and then scrool
Kano: just install kanotix
Kalafk: i got KDE 3.5.9 i think...
redeeman: i recommend you free up some ~10 minutes while waiting for it to scroll
Deanjo: 3.5.10 using kwin 4 here
redeeman: Kano: kde 3.5 is also affected, just not nearly as bad
Deanjo: Wobbly windows with 3.5 FTW!!
Kano: Kalafk: for 3d testing: http://debian.tu-bs.de/project/kanotix/preview/kanotix-ng-bench-2.6.26-5-generic.iso
Kano: autoinstalls 177.13 for your card
Kano: just not installable
Kano: thats only
Deanjo: heh new driver in a few weeks Kano
Kano: Deanjo: i have got no problems, i only activated vsync to fix tearing with youtube fullscreen + new flash
Kano: and run nvidia-settings -l on startup
Deanjo: I reverted to the previous beta of flash and it seems ok
Kano: because flash now uses opengl vsync option is needed
Kano: it seems flash does not set a vsync flag if that is possible
Deanjo: beta 2 was just ugly for me on youtube "lots of sparkles"
Kano: in some cases, but beta 1 did not run at all here, browser crashed very often
Deanjo: Oddly enough all versions of flash work a heck of a lot better for me in Opera 64
Kano: well i am waiting for new flash, the funny thing was that even using wine + firefox + flash was better than native *g*
Kano: another way was even using ie with vbox
Deanjo: Yes I know it's "evil" because it's just closed source but when it comes to plug-ins and rendering for me "it just works"
Kano: you can use seemless mode
Deanjo: The wrapper seems to like opera more then FF
Kano: but i dont get why they check for non oss drivers to enable opengl accelleration
Deanjo: Because they are morons?
rramalho: someone just broke into my car and stole ALL my cds
rramalho: suckers :S
rramalho: hi ppl
Kano: i hope you ripped em before
rramalho: they're on my fileserver
Deanjo: If a rramalho I had that happen to me in 1999. Lost 7 Grand worth
rramalho: but... its a piece of sh*t... :s
rramalho: 200 cds
Deanjo: made me sick, been trying to replace some of the older classic stuff since then.
rramalho: all of my pantera cds
rramalho: all gone to some sucker
Kano: why didnt you use a mp3 cd player in your car?
Deanjo: ewwww, mp3
Kano: or just via usb
rramalho: i have an mp3 radio... but i had them there to a party
rramalho: thats my problem
Kano: a hd would have been more painless...
rramalho: yeah i know
rramalho: who cares now... i hope they desinteria (or what it's spelled in english...
rramalho: thet *get* desinteria
Kano: well maybe ask the police if they can help
rramalho: yeah. i'm going there tomorrow... but this is Portugal, and they'll tell me that "we can't do anything but you can leave a complaint here"
Kano: i guess so, cds are really easy to transport and when nobody saw it
Kano: unless you added a stamp on every cover that it is yours
Kano: they could not be identified
Kano: if somebody puts em inside his own collection how would you find yours then...
Kano: check fingerprints or what ;)
rramalho: it's funny thinking in those consequences... but i'll have to manage with my mp3 collection
rramalho: yes, i use mp3
rramalho: well... sorry to disturb you with this
rramalho: i'm going to get some sleep
Kano: hmm with ubuntu-next rt2x00 fails to build,even after git pull from head
Kano: well i compiled the kernel,but now gpl only pv_lock_ops...
Kano: paravirt, well there is another hack. will try that...
Kano32: Host/Kernel/OS "Kanotix" running Linux 2.6.27-1-generic i686 [ KANOTIX 2007 Thorhammer ]
Kano32: CPU Info (1) Intel Core2 6600 @ clocked at [ 1600.000 MHz ]
Kano32: (2) Intel Core2 6600 @ clocked at [ 1600.000 MHz ]
Kano32: Videocard nVidia GeForce 8800 GTS 512 X.Org 7.1.1 [ 1600x1200 @75hz ]
Kano32: Processes 165 | Uptime 15min | Memory 265.9/2022.9MB | HDD Size 761GB (10%used) | GLX Renderer GeForce 8800 GTS 512/PCI/SSE2 | GLX Version 2.1.2 NVIDIA 177.13 | Client Konversation 1.0.1 | Infobash v2.67.1
Kano32: so seems to work now...
Kano: michaellarabel: if you need it, my script has both patches enabled for 2.6.27