Phoronix IRC Log: 2008-08-06
Kano: hi shital_
Kano: shital_: do you know that i can now even change the start menu - the one you see first
Kano: from splashtop
shital_: Now i can able to access the Internet into splashtop also
Kano: well i only partly solved it, i can extract the gif files and replace em by smaller ones
Kano: sure can you enable internet
shital_: yess i enabled it by following u said process
shital_: i cannot able to enter the OS
shital_: why ??
Kano: these buttons do not work
Kano: they are not splashtop anyway
shital_: then how should i enter into OS?
Kano: you dont select grub2?
Kano: man you are stupid
shital_: what r u telling?
Kano: the variant i told you is to start splashtop, the button inside st does not work, but as you have to start a bootloader first you dont need to select it when you dont want to use it
shital_: the one u given .vmdk file??
Kano: well with the vmdk there is only splashtop an nothing else
Kano: but the boot to os does not work when there is another os too
shital_: ohh ok?
shital_: where should i put this .vmdk file and start splashtop??
Kano: thats for the img file you dont have
shital_: i dont have img file where to get it?
Kano: you start it within a win partition, there you use already a grub2 bootloader in front
Kano: when you dont select grub2 it will not start, so you dont need that button too
Kano: also i gave you already the files for networking, if you are unable to get em into your win install it is your fault
Kano: i told you to ask in #vbox if you don't know how to do that
shital_: yess, already i am accessing internet into splashtop very well and working too
Kano: do you want to test my custom menu?
Kano: you can start rox with it directly
Kano: did i give you rox already?
shital_: that also i did
Kano: then you only need to replace the skin0000.bin
Kano: there are lots of backup files already, skin0001.bin is the same and basically every other bin file too ;) but you only have to replace this one
shital_: i have to keep this file in ASUS>SYS directory???
Kano: replace the file which is in there
Kano: btw. there is also a eee box file, the 20000010.bin ;)
Kano: just differnt logo
Kano: i changed a bit more
Kano: does the new menu work for you
shital_: yess its looking good
Kano: well it is not really looking good,but working ;)
Kano: if you follow the instructions http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11800
Kano: g) you can replace the gfx with better looking ones, they just need to be smaller than before. the script saves the original size too,so check it first before replacing it with last command
Kano: the 000 pic is no pic,it is the header
shital123: Kano:> how can i open the terminal in splashtop i mean how to run command??
Kano: was the hotkey
Kano: for the hidden xterm i added ;)
shital123: ohh, good i can able to run it
shital123: which package manager it supports rpm or deb??
Kano: the packages are the sqx files
Kano: basically you can convert etch deb files to sqx if you are used to it
shital123: ok ok fine
Kano: be sure you are not used to that first ;)
shital123: yaa i am not used that one
shital123: which command i should use to install .sqx files???
Kano: well i have got no script for editing the sqx files for the windows builting variant
Kano: i only have got a script for the img variant
Kano: because it is more easy to access it from outside
Kano: if you know bash scripting, then you can copy all sqx files to your linux partition and modify the script
shital123: yaa i know bash scripting
Kano: 2nd post, just use it
Kano: modified for your purpose
Kano: basically you only need to know unsquashfs and mksquashfs
Kano: btw. the ending of the resulting file does not matter
Kano: it has to begin with va- thats what is checked
shital123: ok, u told that there is IMG file which is used to install Splashtop on USB stick right? where i can get that Splashtop IMG file??
Kano: that means to disable a file you have to add a prefix, maybe _ then it is disabled
Kano: that img can be used for direct vbox or usb
michaellarabel: Anyone interested in 4870 X2 benchmarks?
khaije: hi anyone know if there is video from the recent linux con in canada? i haven't been able to find anything
khaije: btw this is the best linux mag on the net imo
schestowitz: michaellarabel: I think Intel has just named a chip after you.
Deanjo: wonders if AMD is going to ever fix their southbridges NCQ
i3ooi3oo: doubts it
Deanjo: Just benched the M3A78-T, still slow as f*** on writes
Deanjo: M3N-HT = ~100 MB/s same drive, distro (and windows) on M3A78-T = 45 MB/s
i3ooi3oo: i want full intell p45 support in linux .....
Deanjo: what I want is soft OC'ing apps for linux
Deanjo: they are non-existent
redeeman: i3ooi3oo: what's not supported?
redeeman: Deanjo: i guess the time is not right to buy amd stuff :|
i3ooi3oo: ahci wasn't seen
redeeman: i KNOW the id's for sata with ahci has been comitted to linux
Deanjo: Ya, I had high hopes for the new southbridge
redeeman: Deanjo: it's a shame, amd must really not want people to buy their stuff
Deanjo: USB still is a hogg too
i3ooi3oo: ok well with my bios to sata as ahci no device was seen to install on
Kalafok: why, with all the money for R&D, cant they make something that simply works?
redeeman: i3ooi3oo: then your distribution is probably either too old, or retarted
i3ooi3oo: fedora 9
redeeman: Deanjo: i know it's not much, but i put together a server like once every week
i3ooi3oo: ok, i can see retarded
redeeman: and i'd like to use AMD
redeeman: speed isn't an issue
redeeman: but without proper disk/usb support, i just cant do it
Kalafok: AMD is a lot simpler regarding sockets
Kalafok: if it fits it works
redeeman: well that doesent matter to me
Deanjo: I haven't had issues with the tyan boards for servers
Deanjo: on AMD
redeeman: i don't buy expensive server boards :) i buy comodity hardware
Deanjo: When it comes to servers I'm a Tyan die hard
redeeman: and intels desktop boards work
Deanjo: Their QC is awesome
redeeman: i know that if i push the order button on one of the many intel boards, it will work
redeeman: and i don't have to worry about usb, or sata
redeeman: or hell, the crappy onboard lan on many amd boards
i3ooi3oo: asus for all and all for asus
redeeman: i used to buy asus boards
redeeman: then i bought one
redeeman: which had an onboard attanstic NIC
Deanjo: I've got a Sun V20 server overseas that that thing is a tank
redeeman: which didn't have an inkernel driver at the time
redeeman: that was my last asus board
i3ooi3oo: my first PII board got hit by lightning 3 time and still worked
redeeman: IMO putting out a mobo with an NIC that doesent have an inkernel driver is just unforgivable
Kalafok: i got an asus and a gigabyte board in my server
Kalafok: a modified gigabyte :P
i3ooi3oo: 2 dimm slots died and so did one pci but still would boot and run
Kalafok: i3ooi3oo, freaky :o
Deanjo: Heh, I have a old tyan desktop board on a P120+ Cyrix. Damn thing even lets you mix SDRAM and 72-pin
i3ooi3oo: just setup a p5q with a q6600 and 2x 750 seagate drive
redeeman: im hoping to soon setup an ep45-ds5 with 10x1tb disks
redeeman: i'll probably order when i've seen the review of the board from michael
i3ooi3oo: 10x disks
Deanjo: I hope those seagate drives are not 7200.11's being used for heavy server use i3ooi3oo
redeeman: it will be called a fileserver for a reason :)
i3ooi3oo: why Deanjo what have you heard ?
Deanjo: They are just dog ass slow on long sustained writes
Deanjo: if you look at the smart status after doing long writes you'll see why
redeeman: do you have any experience with samsung F1 disks?
Kalafok: i think i have one
redeeman: yeah lol the amount of ecc recoveries are insne
Kalafok: a 750 GB
Deanjo: I've been bitten by older samsungs, I tend to shy away from them
i3ooi3oo: i think the drives are 7200.10 the previous model
redeeman: 7 Seek_Error_Rate 0x000f 070 060 030 Pre-fail Always - 4305572314
redeeman: 195 Hardware_ECC_Recovered 0x001a 051 027 000 Old_age Always - 91312980
i3ooi3oo: and this is just a mythtv box and some other server services
Deanjo: should be fine then
redeeman: i cant decide which disks to take for my fileserver
redeeman: the samsung F1's are awfully cheap
Deanjo: I've had good luck with the hitachi's
Kalafok: how big does it need to be?
redeeman: but hitachi is 5 plattered
Deanjo: Unfortunately I can't get my maxtors anymore....
Kalafok: and how fast?
redeeman: i just want the raid6 to max out my gigabit
Deanjo: redeeman, is there anybody that still makes a 5400 RPM?
redeeman: WD greenpower
Deanjo: Ya that's that variable thing
redeeman: which apparently isn't so variable
redeeman: just pretty much 5400
Deanjo: I was just thinking for a HTPC
Deanjo: Just need big capacity and low temps and noise
redeeman: yeah i'd prefer it for servers too
Kalafok: those greenpower might be a good idea then
redeeman: when i raid6 10 of them it will be plenty fast anyway
redeeman: don't buy greenpower
redeeman: they get more hot than samsung F1
redeeman: and western digital are morons
Deanjo: heh, burnt out my fair share of raptors
Kalafok: oh reminds me
Kalafok: still need to get one replaced
redeeman: /dev/sda: WDC WD1000FYPS-01ZKB0: 36°C
redeeman: /dev/sdb: SAMSUNG HD103UJ: 32°C
redeeman: /dev/sdc: ST31000340NS: 37°C
Deanjo: No matter what they say they are not even close to being enterprise class
redeeman: these are all in identical harddrive boxes
redeeman: the samsung is clearly not as hot
redeeman: and it's considerably faster
redeeman: and doesent require a tool from WD which they won't release, to stop it from going to standby every 20s
redeeman: and it's also cheaper
Kalafok: right now im using an ibm deskstar disk in my pc
Kalafok: got it for free :D
redeeman: i cant believe hitatchi didn't rename the deskstar
Ivanovic: Kalafok: ugh, you got one of the deathstars...
Kalafok: (as opposed to the regular 3x74 raptors)
Kalafok: Ivanovic, well, i hope it wont explode and kill other parts
Kalafok: besides that, if it dies, ah well
Kalafok: another presse papier
Ivanovic: yes, i once had one of those drives, it was a 60gb ibm deathstar drive
redeeman: i have an ibm deathstar 60gb
redeeman: it clicks every day
Ivanovic: after one year i had to send it in since it was borked
redeeman: lol :D
redeeman: the joyful sound of harddrives clicking
redeeman: how well i know it, from maxtors
Ivanovic: about two weeks later the dealer told me (he had to call them severl times) that it was a "user mistake"
Ivanovic: since the dealer knows me and that it was not a user mistake, he gave me a new one
Ivanovic: this drive failed about 15 months later but at that time i already had a different drive as main drive
Kalafok: shoving it off as a user mistake? :o
redeeman: we could seriously use some non fucked storage
Kalafok: ssd? :P
Deanjo: My Sun V20 is still running a pair of Maxtor Atlas 15K II drives
redeeman: new disks are more unreliable than work outsourced to china
Kalafok: also, i still wonder how the MTBF thingy works
Kalafok: how come a harddrive would work for 140 years?
redeeman: it won't
redeeman: mtbf means
redeeman: that if you replace the disks at the suggested time
redeeman: you will go for X MTBF hours untill it dies
Kalafok: 1,2 million hours is about 140 years...
Deanjo: *supposed tooo
Deanjo: big asterdisk
Deanjo: "in theory"
Kalafok: even then, 140 years is quite a while :P
Deanjo: Like any other mechanical device though it's a luck of the draw
Kalafok: no harddisk ever lived that long
redeeman: lol kalafok maybe because it was invented less than 140 years ago :P
Kalafok: got you :P
Deanjo: I'm pretty sure Pascal used Fujisu's :P
Deanjo: So did you get your atom board yet redeeman ?
Kalafok: also, i have reason to believe this deathstar is horribly slow
Kalafok: installing SP2 is taking several ages :P
Kalafok: and just to try out DxO...
Kalafok: it looks like im gonna end up using linux on my pc and laptop, and windoze on my work pc :(
Deanjo: You guys see AMD's stream announcement today?
Kalafok: not me...
Deanjo: Trying to make it DX11 compatible
Deanjo: Well they are on board for openCL too
Kalafok: they might wanna work a bit more on opengl instead
Kalafok: that needs some catching up to do
Deanjo: OGL 3 will be here shortly
Kalafok: the opengl i got on my pc doesnt really work though
Kalafok: probably nvidea's fault
Deanjo: Expected to be announced at Siggraph
Kalafok: okey, nice :)
Deanjo: OGL broken on a nvidia? :O
Kalafok: something with shadows
Deanjo: That's ATI domain :P
Kalafok: i dont know what call exactly
Kalafok: cant figure out now
redeeman: Deanjo: nah it's on backorder
Kalafok: i *think* i managed to install SP2, somehow
Deanjo: there is supposed to be some big openCL announcement at Sigg too
Kalafok: with opengl you can make your own shaders, right?
Deanjo: Also it's expected that nv is going to open up Cuda to other hardware (other GPU's and CPU as well)
Kalafok: doesnt have that much faith in nvidia...
Kalafok: SLI is really faulty by design
Deanjo: How so?
Kalafok: you cant use 2 monitors while using SLI
Deanjo: You will be able too shortly
Kalafok: about damn time :P
Kalafok: and now i replaced my 7950 GX2 its too late as well
redeeman: moron nvidia
Kalafok: if ati is gonna stay on this course, the linux drivers and all, it might actually turn out nice
Kalafok: i dont know why so many companies underestimate the importance of good drivers
Kalafok: fast hardware is useless if it doesnt work properly...
Deanjo: They still have to fight the limitations of xorg with the OS drivers though
Deanjo: 2 big things that have to be overhauled big time in linux. X and sound
Deanjo: ok maybe wireless too
Kalafok: sound is dreadful :(
redeeman: lol sound isn't really an issue
Deanjo: Pulse isn't helping that either
Kalafok: it is here
redeeman: all you gotta do is stop being weird and NOT install pulse and all sorts of crap
redeeman: and all the problems disappears
Deanjo: They got to get back to the roots
Kalafok: thats the problem with linux, its too splintered :(
Kalafok: such overhauls just wont happen
Deanjo: another layer is NOT a solustion
Kalafok: cause not 1 group is in charge
redeeman: it's simple, just don't use pulse
redeeman: nobody is forcing you to
redeeman: except maybe if you use uggabugga
Deanjo: Well that's why the community has to come up with a steady base like what LSB is trying to do
redeeman: there really isn't any problems, except people that doesent know shit about the things they are trying to use
Deanjo: Somewhere, somehow you have to have a steady target to build on
redeeman: like the adobe flash linux architect dude
redeeman: explaining how it took them looonngngg time
Deanjo: lol adobe hates me
redeeman: to figure out that the libasound.so symlink only comes in debian -dev packages
Deanjo: banned me from their forums even
redeeman: he is so incompetent
redeeman: that he should be fired
redeeman: and be forced to pay his salaries back
redeeman: spanning 10 years
redeeman: and if he hadnt worked there such a long time
redeeman: he should pay for 10 years anyway
Deanjo: flash just sucks no matter the OS though redeeman
redeeman: but that persons incompetence isn't usable anywhere
redeeman: and he should be put in some sort of mental hospital
redeeman: where they can cater to his needs
Kalafok: guantanamo bay perhaps? :P
Deanjo: I mean really, how long have 64-bit OS's been out and they say "it's a lot harder then it looks"
Kalafok: how big is the difference actually?
Deanjo: Maybe they shouldn't have fired the Macromedia devs then lol
Kalafok: between 32 bit code and 64 bit code?
redeeman: they should just close down the entire endavour
redeeman: and let flash die
redeeman: Kalafok: their code is probably so horribly bad that it is hard to do anything but rewrite
redeeman: allthough lord knows, that it's so slow that one would never think they have asm optimizations
Kalafok: DxO installed! :D
redeeman: lol, ill bet they are so stupid, that their manually written assembler is worse than what gcc generates
Deanjo: Kalafok, it depends on the application. worse case scenario it runs just as fast as 32, on optimized apps there can be some pretty nice increases
Kalafok: im not sure if they ever heard of asm :P
Ivanovic: their code is completely written in x86 asm
redeeman: Ivanovic: surely not all of it
Ivanovic: it is really difficult to port this hand optimised code over
redeeman: that would be silly
Kalafok: Deanjo, well, im more thinking of how much work it is to port something to x64
redeeman: flash isn't optimized
redeeman: if anything, it's hand slowed down
Ivanovic: redeeman: we are talking about flash...
Ivanovic: redeeman: "optimised" to not allow competitors to debug
Kalafok: what kind of changes need to be made, and such
Deanjo: Porting is easy, optimizing takes a bit of work
Ivanovic: at least to debug it easily
Kalafok: but it heavily depends on the maintainability of the code?
redeeman: in all thisd time
redeeman: they could have written a new implementation
redeeman: in C
redeeman: which would be faster
Deanjo: mplayer for example has x64 optimizations
redeeman: Deanjo: there is no x64, stop using m$ words
Kalafok: x86-64 :P
Kalafok: just to annoy you :P
redeeman: yeah well im not sure AMD would agree with you :P
Deanjo: uses the force and waves his hand in front of redeeman "There is no such thing as 32-bit" :P
Kalafok: looks like dxo actually works
Ivanovic: praises the lord of 8bit
Kalafok: after more than 6 hours
Kalafok: loves windows in a way
Kalafok: its so nice to actually get something working
Deanjo: KICK HIM!! :P
redeeman: i just don't get how anyone could tolerate winblows
Kalafok: hey, i got a linux server!
redeeman: it's so crappy
redeeman: that one would rather just not use a computer
redeeman: ones life is too short for such crap
Kalafok: redeeman, no need to tell me about it
Deanjo: counts the days 40 more days with apple
Kalafok: but i need dxo :(
Kalafok: and i dont really wanna buy an apple just for that
redeeman: lol crapple is even worse
redeeman: the most moron company that exists
redeeman: shoddy quality crap
Kalafok: there are no other options for me...
Kalafok: dxo is awesome software, in what it does
redeeman: cant even put a proper edid blob in their 30" monitors
redeeman: lies on the tech support
Kalafok: it uses .net 3 and a lot of other nasty stuff, so wine wont work
Deanjo: Where, who what redeeman ?
Kalafok: they delete forum posts as well
redeeman: Deanjo: that's right, my brother bought a 30" apple monitor some time ago
redeeman: only to discover that the edid blob is not proper
redeeman: so that linux won't go into 2560x1600 without custom modeline
redeeman: and when one calls apple tech support
redeeman: they first refuse to give any info
redeeman: then suddenly they want to
redeeman: but gives the WRONG info
Deanjo: hmmm, 30" works fine here
Deanjo: edid no issue
redeeman: nvidia driver probably has a workaround by now
Kalafok: an imac *might* be an issue
Kalafok: but im not sure if the screen is good enough
redeeman: i loaded the correct modeinfo from the winblows drivers
redeeman: this is long ago
redeeman: when crapple first introduced their 30"
Kalafok: i mean option :P
Kalafok: ah well
Kalafok: i would like to have it for my photography
Deanjo: I'll be kissing the 30" goodbye in a few weeks anyways
redeeman: i have a dell 30"
Deanjo: I still perfer my CRT's over FP's
Ivanovic: is completely satisfied with his dell 2405
Kalafok: well, i wouldnt mind a crt on my desk
Deanjo: My GDM-FW900's still kick the shot out of any FP
redeeman: Deanjo: but they don't make highres CRT's :(
Kalafok: redeeman, they do
Kalafok: 2048x1536 enough? :P
Ivanovic: i would mind a crt since then i would have not too much space left
redeeman: no it's not
redeeman: my 30" has 2560x1600
Deanjo: 2,304 x 1,440 <--- my Sony's
redeeman: i'd prefer even more
Ivanovic: i really enjoy having the space for keyboard and a book in front of the display
Kalafok: me too, but well
Kalafok: rolls eyes and waits for SP3 to install, finally
Deanjo: When it comes to color, contrast and res you can't beat my sony's
Deanjo: Heavy as hell though