Phoronix IRC Log: 2008-07-28
mha: michaellarabel: I think you should clear out the phoronix premium from the rss feeds aswell.
avkn: anyone around? :)
avkn: uh. using patented codecs in linux by downloading software such as vlc is illegal only in countries where there are software patents, right?
vadi2: Whever the codec patents are patented and those patents are recognized
vadi2: You can have a country with software patents but not a codec patented there I think
avkn: oh. ok.
avkn: are those info online? i mean where certain codecs are patented.
vadi2: That's the fun part :) I don't know of a such a palce.
avkn: good thing software isn't patentable in my country anyway.
maikmerten: MPEG patents are not software patents
maikmerten: they're called "Verfahrenspatente" here in Germany, no idea what the translation would be
maikmerten: "method patents"
maikmerten: or whatever
vadi2: algorithm patent?
maikmerten: well, shouldn't those be like void even more than software patents should be void in e.g. the european union? ;)
maikmerten: the idea is to protect methods like "how to turn milk into wine"
maikmerten: "how to transform a data input stream into some special output stream"
maikmerten: the latter would be MPEG patents
avkn: but it varies from country to country, right?
avkn: i recently bought a laptop, but i haven't installed linux on it yet because my brother's dead scared of it corrupting the preinstalled vista. (package doesn't include windows installer.)
maikmerten: there should be instructions on how to create a Vista DVD out from the rescue partition
avkn: rescue partition?
avkn: we've already used the oem's preinstalled software to create backup (recovery) discs, but we don't trust it.
maikmerten: usually there's a hidden partition from which one can bring back Windows with factory defaults
maikmerten: ah, k
maikmerten: creating recovery discs is exactly what I was trying to say
avkn: oh, that's why! :D the laptop's specs includes a 160gb hdd, but we can only see 140gb (two 70gb partitions). using fedora's installer i saw that there was a 10gb ntfs partition that is strangely hidden in windows.
avkn: what's that for?
maikmerten: it stores the recovery data
maikmerten: a cheapo way to avoid packaging a recovery disc set
avkn: wow. how does the recovery disc work anyway? i've not seen the one my brother made.
avkn: is it like a carbon copy of the preinstalled data?
maikmerten: I think it's something like an image, yes
avkn: so it's like there are two copies of the same preinstalled thing in my pc?
avkn: i guess it's safe to wipe that partition out and make it the linux partition.
maikmerten: uh, nope
maikmerten: only if you trust your recovery discs
maikmerten: which, in your case, doesn't seem to be the case
avkn: uh. ok.
maikmerten: that hidden partition is the only way to get the laptop back to factory defaults if your discs fail
avkn: how exactly do i do that? copy the contents of the hidden partition to the visible one?
maikmerten: there should be a recovery tool booting from the discs or some key combination to start the recovery process from the partition
maikmerten: that's something only the manual can answer
avkn: ok thanks.
maikmerten: well, I'm not sure you want to thank me. After all without my advise you may have had a slim chance of getting rid of that Vista installation once and for all ;)
avkn: :)) nice. :D don't get me wrong, i don't love vista. it's nice, but hey, i'm a true linux fan. it's just that i was forced to pay for it (all the good laptops come with vista as they say), and i'd rather not lose anything i payed a substantial amount for, not even if i don't really like it. :D
avkn: and the machine's not mine completely. my brothers are still locked-in to the proprietary world. :D
Milyardo: I kept Vista on my laptop, but the only thing installed on it is CoD4
Milyardo: Which is why I named my vista machine wintendo
michaellarabel: Intel X4500HD results this week...
redeeman: im not gonna buy an intel G45 board :(((
redeeman: or well, atleast not right away
redeeman: it's so annoying, G45 itself supports duallink dvi, but apparently the board doesent
vadi2: That's interesting
vadi2: Dell's putting up Google Ads now about their linux offering.
vadi2: " Sponsored LinksDell Now With Ubuntu Find Leading Open-Source Solutions. Make the Most of Ubuntu With Dell Dell.com/ca/Ubuntu"
Kano: hi,did anyone play with grub2 inside win yet?
Kano: if somebody wants to try, do never use the debian grub-pc package as base, that will not work...
Kano: svn works
maligor: why would you want to run grub2 inside windows?
Kano: thats simple, you dont need to install grub into mbr nor do have to make the linux partition active
Kano: also you can start things like splashtop ;)
Kano: basically you only chainload grub from boot.ini or the bootmgr from win
Kano: you do not execute it really inside win,but you can install it there
Kano: did you ever hear of wubi? that basically works that way
maligor: I'm sure it's a fantastic idea in some twisted sort of way
maligor: I wonder why the kde 4.1 plasmoid resize is so... sticky, pretty hard to use
Kano: i think kde needs 4.2 or 4.3 to get really useable
vadi2: I wonder why is kde banking on plasmoids so much to begin with. It was just an auxiliary toy introduced by vista...
maligor: oh, 4.1 is pretty decent
Kano: just use superkaramba ;)
maligor: the 4.1.0-1 in deb experimental anyway
maligor: vadi2, huh?
vadi2: like.. it shouldn't be *the* feature of an os. more like "oh we got those too".
maligor: vista didn't introduce it atall
Kano: mac os had em too
vadi2: As an OS? It did
Kano: also expose is all from os x
maligor: I doubt vista uses it for panels
maligor: macosx probably doesn't either
maligor: the way they're in vista and macosx is the way they've been in the original version
maligor: kde takes them a bit further
vadi2: Probably, but... imho, still, it doesn't make it a killer feature
vadi2: nice extra thing to have, yeah.
maligor: you can run macosx dashboard applets in kde4 too
Kano: i am fine with kde 3.5.5
Kano: works fast with nvidia
maligor: and google gadgets support coming soon they say
maligor: Kano, heh
vadi2: <3 ggl
maligor: or was it google gears?
vadi2: even if I barely use it, it's still on the desktop.
maligor: anyway, kde 4.1 is pretty solid stuff
maligor: pretty eyecandish too :P
vadi2: Nice. Hope it goes well for them.
vadi2: only use 1 kde4 app myself
vadi2: and god, kde4 itself annoying so far.
maligor: it has quite a lot of animated widgets ala qt4
maligor: oh, you should try 4.1
vadi2: it plays random piano sounds when I type in the input line. It's knotify4 either decides to rape my cpu or eat 100mb.
vadi2: and it tries to do it's best to override the qgtkstyle engine, so while qt apps look okay, kde ones are a mix
maligor: haven't seen knotify4 attempting to take over
vadi2: Well, check it regularly, it might start creeping on the memory
vadi2: and have a link to a kde 4.1 ppa/repo?
maligor: just using kde 4.1.0-1 from debian experimental
michaellarabel: Ivanovic: Hi
Ivanovic: hi michaellarabel
michaellarabel: So when did the ut2004-demo profile break? Last I used it it was working fine, aside from resolution switching
Ivanovic: it broke with your change to add automatically using the UT2004.ini file
Ivanovic: before it was working and with my version it should be working, too
michaellarabel: I'll try your version then
vadi2: gee phonon. Out of the blue when I wasn't playing anything it informed me that a device wasn't working and it's going to fallback to the same one.
vadi2: I need to learn to press prtsc faster...
michaellarabel: Ivanovic: Your changes should now be found in master
Ivanovic: michaellarabel: okay, will check
michaellarabel: I seem to have a bug with it, but idk as its hanging and it may be related to Intel graphics
Ivanovic: uhm, git up ain't working again...
michaellarabel: I just refreshed it and it worked for me
Ivanovic: at least no change to the ut2004-demo files
michaellarabel: git-checkout origin/master
Ivanovic: argh, i thought it was in trondheim-12, too
michaellarabel: It will be when I rebase it, when PTS 1.0.4 is out
Ivanovic: ah, okay
Ivanovic: then let me relocate to master
Ivanovic: okay, the files are there
Ivanovic: michaellarabel: okay, everything works nicely with this change
Kano: michaellarabel: are you sure that a 8800 gt is slower than a 9600 gt in quake 4?
Kano: or nexuiz
redeeman: also in 2560x1600?
Kano: something must be wrong with your setting
michaellarabel: Didn't test 2560x
Kano: only the shader clock is minimally higher at stock speeds 1500 vs. 1625 but the 9600 gt has only 64 stream processors against 112
Kano: something must have gone wrong
michaellarabel: Kano: Both tests were run three times per PTS
Kano: - 256MB GDDR3 RAM with 256-bit Data Bus
Kano: 256 vs 512 mb?
Kano: must be a bad joke when you dont mention that
Kano: most 8800 gt have got 512 mb
Kano: cant you add a 8800 gt 512 mb?
Kano: its like comparing apples and oranges
Kano: it is only slower due to less memory....
chao1: how do i set up a computer for my car?
vadi2: http://www.fsckin.com/2008/06/26/linux-carputer-guide-101/ if he ever comes back...
vadi2: How can you take a screenshot while in text mode?
Kano: hi d2kx
d2kx: hi Kano
Ivanovic: michaellarabel: you might want to post in this thread that the problem is fixed now
vadi2: very intesting post, but a pretty smart guy