Phoronix IRC Log: 2008-06-30
givlupi: err more live evening
starkmjolk: not here :)
givlupi: downloading Ubuntu 8.10 (Intrepid Ibex) Alpha 1
starkmjolk: I've been on the alphas earlier, but for me it isn't worth it this time. If I can control myself I'll wait until the first beta or something like that :)
givlupi: yea, i wanna see how well open source r500 3D works...
givlupi: & i tried to build my entire xorg from git a few times, but i just fail at resolving dependencies
starkmjolk: the bigger packages can be a pain, I've struggled with gnome a few times :)
givlupi: yea and if I have a problem trying to compile and build source code then I can't fathom how hard it is to write the stuff, not everything can be 100% supported its not like there getting paid to do it
starkmjolk: indeed :)
starkmjolk: off to work!
givlupi: have a good day
Kano: michaellarabel: where are the benchmarks for 4870?
michaellarabel: Kano: In the publishing queue
michaellarabel: For anyone clicking: http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=12546 does it take a while to load?
m-c: michaellarabel: very long time here - - - 25 sec or so
michaellarabel: m-c: Does this one take a while too http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=12543 ?
michaellarabel: hmmm wtf
m-c: the first one does not now either
m-c: maybe because it was cached?
m-c: I know I looked at your second link just yesterday, so maybe that was cached too
michaellarabel: No, PHXCMS doesn't use caching
michaellarabel: How's this: http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=12545
m-c: no prob there
michaellarabel: hmmm odd
michaellarabel: all I did was delete it and re-add it
rbrett: server times out on me (Australia)
michaellarabel: rbrett: Phoronix.com? right now?
rbrett: actually I was having problems, I just rechecked and everything is A-OK
rbrett: but for awhile there access was down
Kano: michaellarabel: X48 is old, would like to read something new ;)
michaellarabel: rbrett: Yeah, there was a server re boot
rbrett: ah, explains it
michaellarabel: Kano: The 4870 is in the queue....
michaellarabel: vadi2: Good morning
vadi2: good morning
Lightkey: http://waxy.org/2008/06/code_rush/ :-)
m-c: Happy XP End of Life Day
vadi2: does anyone know what is the "T&C compliance" on the opensuse forums?
uncle_fungus: terms and conditions?
uncle_fungus: that sounds like the most likely expansion
cxo: xp was the best microsoft os
maligor: cxo, not 2000?
vadi2: 2000 was dude.
vadi2: if not still is.
cxo: ok i think i didnt define best, but yeah win2k has its own merit
maligor: 2000 was just crippled once software producers started checking for 'windows xp'
vadi2: nah not that many do
cxo: i think there is sp4 for win2k?
cxo: nt4 went up to sp6a
maligor: I tried the dreamspark windows 2003 server too
vadi2: Ah. They have a no advertising of contests policy for foss apparently.
maligor: not a very good game platform, some games check for windows xp too :P
Kano: ati did forget about 2k already, only inoffical modded omega drivers work with newer cards
uncle_fungus: it was amusing watching boot times from a fresh 2000 installation compared to with SP4 though
maligor: windows 2003 server has better default security tho
cxo: gotta bounce dawgs
cxo: is outta here
Kano: did somebody try that new nv physx driver + games that use it?
Kano: well for win currently
m-c: here's the windows migration strategy, in case anyone has forgotten: EOL -> new SP (for new OS only) that makes new software run only on new OS (directX21 or whatever) -> new SP (for old OS only) that makes the old OS all wonky and there is never any fix issued
vadi2: that's a pretty failsafe plan
m-c: each milestone step that path is a good time to bring up alternatives
vadi2: unfortunately nobody's banking on picking off the unhappy customers.
m-c: it is surprising no one recognizes the patterns... happens every time. each new OS people are complaining about migrating, yet this pretty well ensures they do
m-c: but if they feel compelled to change operating systems anyway, then it is a good time to check if they want to get off the windows treadmill
vadi2: quite a lot don't see any possibility of choice. it's either windows pre-installed or going totally weird on a mac
vadi2: Why'd everybody go away?
vadi2: Anyone know of a website that allows you to upload .ogg's for viewing?
Ivanovic: for *viewing*?
Ivanovic: hmm, you can paste the content to a pasting site ;)
vadi2: yes, for viewing.
vadi2: you know, watching it.
redeeman: Kano: hey
Kano: hi redeeman ,did you get your ati card
redeeman: no but they promised me i'd recieve in this week
redeeman: but i have a problem on your livecd
redeeman: my laptop has radeon 9700pro, and on my ~2 years old gentoo install i got the r300/radeon driver
m-c: Anyone here own one of the linux subnotebooks
redeeman: and it works quite excellently, but on your livecd im having a few issues
Kano: yes, usually you would use ati
Kano: try screen=auto as option
redeeman: first time X started, my display was flickering like a madman, then i restarted X, and it worked
Kano: for thorhammer
cxo_: got a 9700pro too
Kano: thats an alternative way. not sure about the 9700 mobile chipset if it is correctly identified
redeeman: then i tried to install chromium for a fast gl test, but i couldnt, so i accessed it via klik
Kano: redeeman: fix-unionfs
redeeman: Kano: xorg log confirmed it found my card
Kano: then you can use apt-get update && apt-get install chromium
redeeman: but the thing is
Kano: thorhammer has vesa fallback
redeeman: chromium ran as though it was running without hardware rendering
Kano: in case of problems
redeeman: nono, i DID have direct rendering
Kano: thas the flickering you mentioned i guess
redeeman: because after chromium failed, i tried compiz
redeeman: which was very smooth and all
Kano: there is only beryl preinstalled
redeeman: yeah that's what i mean :P
redeeman: now that you mention the fix-unionfs thing
Kano: but my live cd is very tricky, you can use fglrx option and install fglrx on the fly
redeeman: i might aswell just boot
redeeman: i DONT want fglrx
redeeman: i prefer stability, thanks :)
redeeman: i shall boot your cd now
redeeman: just boot without any parameters like last?
Kano: well in case the wrong res is used: screen=auto is the best option, at least for tft or laptop
Kano: not sure why there was a fallback for your card
redeeman: i have 1400x1050
cxo_: me too
Kano: that auto option is similar to newer live cds without modelines and without res override
redeeman: booting now
Kano: that means xorg detection is used for that
redeeman: also, bzflag via klik didn't work
redeeman: it just didn't start at all
Kano: well klik is not so well optimized anymore
Kano: just use apt-get update && apt-get install synaptic
Kano: after fix-unionfs
redeeman: (the reason im trying your cd is to compare the r300 dri to the weird snapshot i have thats 2 years old but works flawlessly)
Kano: then you can easyly select more apps
redeeman: yeah ill do the fix-unionfs thing
redeeman: you should have some notes file in the homedir :P
Kano: well that driver is pretty old too. xorg 7.1.1
redeeman: screen=auto fixes the firsttime flickering
Kano: you can join my kanotix channel when you click on the irc iconon desktop
Kano: thats on the same server,so choose a little bit different nick ;)
redeeman: oh it does that for me it seems
redeeman: lol it's not working well
redeeman: i enabled "smoothing" in bzflag, and now it does 0.1fps
Kano: well you can install fglrx to try in live mode
Kano: will install 8-6
Kano: to check it out ;)
vadi2: evil proprietary drivers
Kano: live cds are best to try those without killing a hd install
Kano: my scripts for nvidia+fglrx can do that, even added ubuntu support for 8.04
Kano: live mode too supported
redeeman: Kano: i will NOT install fglrx
Kano: well you dont have to ;)
redeeman: the entire purpose of booting the livecd is to test the driver version you have
Kano: but you can try something lese
redeeman: and im sad to say it appears to be regressed alot for my chip
redeeman: i really wish you would have included nano, lol
Kano: i dont like it
Kano: mcedit, vim
Kano: both are there
redeeman: beryl have WEIRD sync issues
Kano: i dont use it so often
Kano: when it was new, but now it is old ;)
redeeman: i don't use either beryl or compiz, i just started it because it was there
Kano: fglrx works smoother btw. and you could use the water effect which did not work with xorg 7.1.1
Kano: it works with a bit newer driver
Kano: i have got a special repository for that btw
redeeman: i see
Kano: i dont use it for ati usually but for intel 965GM, G33 and so
Kano: the bot will tell you with !xorg
redeeman: im afraid i don't have more time to play with it right now though :| have to prepare for a trip to belgium in 2 days to fix some computers
Kano: have fun
redeeman: im pretty much garantueed not to
redeeman: Kano: i have to get some old dos shit running
redeeman: fortunately i will be removing m$ dos
redeeman: and replacing with freedos
redeeman: (it was a condition i imposed upon my client :D)
Kano: these are really old boxes ;)
redeeman: p2 i believe
Kano: well freedos has at least autocomplete *g*
redeeman: nmot to mention it doesent display a fucked ugly win98 logo
Ivanovic: michaellarabel: any news on the UT2k4 profile?
vadi2: Does anyone know of blender benchmarks?
vadi2: this paper shows that they got some going (http://www.scribd.com/doc/363677/Benchmarks-AMD64-in-32bit-mode-vs-64bit-mode-Ubuntu)
Kano: michaellarabel: still waiting ;)
michaellarabel: Kano: what? I was in a meeting all afternoon, just got back four minutes ago. Did you msg me?
Kano: nope, no 4870 test in my rss feed yet
michaellarabel: right, its in the queue and I think its set to go on Thursday or Friday.
Kano: well today is monday...
Kano: until then a 4870 x2 could be out ;)
cruiseoveride: Kano, dont harass michaellarabel
michaellarabel: Kano: The problem is that there's only 24 hours in a day.
Riotta: no way ? only 24 ?
cxo: whats a small distro <512mb i can build myself?
cxo: thats a real pain to do, i want like a make file with a list of packages, sort of thing..?
cxo: i remember there was a script for lfs, but it wasnt very good
cxo: but then again i used lfs like 4yrs back
Shahid: i dont know what "build myself" means
Shahid: all distros can be build from source
cxo: i want to compile it myself cos i need to patch it with my black magic
cxo: which distro?
cxo: i usually do this sort of stuff by hand, but i'm not 15 anymore...
Shahid: i like archlinux
cxo: is it small? can i compile from source?
cxo: what about that gentoo thing?
Shahid: I'm extremely confused
Shahid: all distros can be built from source
Shahid: i'm baffled
cxo: you need to point me to something here man
Shahid: i built debian from source when i was a kid
cxo: oh thats nice
Shahid: because i thought -O3 and -funroll-loops would make it faster
Shahid: but i was uneducated back then
cxo: -O3 haha
cxo: my binaries dont change after -02
Shahid: i noticed that only the kernel and mplayer relly benifited by building myself
Shahid: the i386 binaries were performing just the same
Shahid: this was back before -Os was stable to use though
cxo: i think i have an old fedora disc kicking around, could install that and strip the bitch
cxo: i have my own kernel here anyways...
cxo: yup thats a good idea
Shahid: haha i hate that distro :)
cxo: yeah, its shit of late...
cxo: but i dont need anything from it, just glibc and friends
Shahid: it was the rpm's that redhat made that caused me headache
cxo: all i need is to run jack on it
Shahid: been 6 years since i've used anything from redhat, so i've no idea what it's like today
Shahid: but i'm stuck in my ways now
cxo: init=/bin/jackd -d alsa; is all i need
Shahid: i'm not sure if archlinux's makepkg can work like gentoo's emerge
matthias_N: hi how do i start phonix and where is it located ???
matthias_N: i am running ubuntu hardy and phonix 1.0.2 or similar ...
matthias_N: hello noby in the IRC nobodu knows hot to run this program ...
cxo: just go into the folder and run ./phoronix-test-suit
matthias_N: where is the folder4 located in /usr/bin/ or ????
matthias_N: or in another name than phon ...
matthias_N: cxo: i habe in usr/share/phoronix, that is the place ???
matthias_N: i have it there but with subfolders pts and pts-core
matthias_N: or please give me a link to a good manual, i do not understand how to run it...
matthias_N: from the phoronix home page ...
matthias_N: i think i ned a lots of help ...
cxo: how did you install it?
matthias_N: cxo: with debian /ubuntu package ...
matthias_N: version 1.0,.2
matthias_N: cxo: am i in the correct directory ...
cxo: open a console and type "phoronix-test-suite"
cxo: without quotes