starkmjolk: morning
Exopaladin: meh, unfortunately :P
starkmjolk: indeed :)
starkmjolk: what you up to atm exo?
Exopaladin: not much, in about 5 or 10 minutes I'll be going to catch my bus
Exopaladin: and during the bus ride I'll probably play FFT A2 which I grabbed yesterday :P
starkmjolk: Fast Fourier Transform A2?
Exopaladin: no :P
Exopaladin: Final Fantasy Tactics Advance 2
starkmjolk: isn't that FF TA2? :)
Kano: hi michaellarabel , do you have got a 965G board near you?
Kano: or G965 might be the new name, like P5B-V
mha: :]
Kano: or anybody else?
redeeman: Kano: i have access to such a box, but only via ssh
Kano: well i would like to know if that chip is able to run zero ballistics - that will not work via ssh
redeeman: my brother has a laptop with X3100
redeeman: i suppose i could get him to try
Kano: dont know if 965GM is the same
Kano: i only heard that the standard G might work
redeeman: i believe X3100 is better than X3000(?) on 965G
Kano: well but i think glsl does not work there, i think it was only tested with that older chip
Kano: at least i heard it, i can not verify, i have got g33 only - and g31 does not work too
redeeman: they should have the same support
Kano: in theory only
redeeman: g33 is gma 3100
redeeman: not X
Kano: also would be G35 similar to 965
redeeman: g33 dosent have hardware vertex shaders
Kano: G31/33 is derived from 945
Kano: and the others from 965
redeeman: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_GMA#Table_of_GMA_graphics_cores_and_chipsets
Kano: G31 is wrong placed, it is placed twice
Kano: also G35 is also wrong
redeeman: really?
Kano: well correct would be G35 below GM965
Kano: also Q35 below that
Kano: well that table has too many errors to be correct...
redeeman: so what is the fastest GMA one can get?
Kano: in development G45 or Q45 - same gfx core
Kano: available G35 or Q35 - when you want to use new cpus
redeeman: really? according to that table, the "desktop" versions of 45 won't be as fast as the mobile
redeeman: hmm
Kano: well i dont know why 965GM was so differnt from 965G, but xorg 7.1.1 supported 965G but not 965GM (xserver 1.3 + newer intel driver was needed)
Kano: even the text is wrong in that wiki entry
Kano: G35 is shown twice
Kano: first appearance wrong, 2nd correct..
Kano: please tell some intel developer to fix it ;)
redeeman: afraid i don't know them
Kano: /j #intel-gfx - main developers are anholt and keithp
Kano: i talked to them because i got my g33 board BEFORE official launch and before any driver was available for it...
Kano: it was really easy to buy before the official annoucement, funny isnt it?
Kano: maybe 2 weeks before
redeeman: haha
Kano: and it took maybe 3-4 weeks after lauch for working drivers
redeeman: didn't they claim sameday drivers?
Kano: not that i know of
Kano: this time it seems to be better timed, but i think only because some extra revisions are needed to the hardware due to faults
michaellarabel: redeeman: Yes they did, back at LCA.
michaellarabel: I think it was LCA 2007 now.
Kano: P45 is out for some time, and i guess G43/5 should be out the same time - if possible
Kano: but they found problems
Kano: i expect they had problems with the newly added h264 accelleration for G45
Kano: as this is win only the linux changes could not be so hard
Kano: G33 was available when P35 was out
Kano: both before official release *g*
redeeman: i cant buy G45 now it seems
vadi2: you can buy that open-source card though! :)
Kano: redeeman: not today,but expect it soon
redeeman: vadi2: which card?
redeeman: if you mean opengraphics, then yes, i can buy a DEV board, not the finished product
vadi2: redeeman: the fully open-source one they're making. I don't remember the name
vadi2: redeeman: yeah. fully open-source, shouldn't you be supporting that?
Kano: i guess august
redeeman: yes but they haven't actually come out with a product yet, vadi2
Kano: well some list it for 1-2 weeks already
Kano: Intel DG45ID
Kano: but i dont think that is true
Kano: do you want micro atx?
Kano: http://www.intel.com/products/motherboard/DG45ID/index.htm
redeeman: microatx is fine
Kano: i like fullsize as you often have got one pci slot more
redeeman: yeah i don't need that though, but if there was a fullsize i'd take that
Kano: do you use dvb-X cards?
redeeman: nope
Kano: well i do, it is nice to have 2 cards in one pc
Kano: and maybe one wlan card
Kano: with 2 cards you can record some program and watch another from a different transponder
redeeman: do you know how the interface to the gma part of G45 is done? via pci express?
redeeman: (to the OS)
Kano: well since 945 the boards have got only pci-e so i guess so
redeeman: well since the thing is in the NB i guess they could be doing something else
Kano: hmm maybe since 915, that chipset began with pci-e
Kano: 865 was last with agp
Kano: 915 was last with ddr1 then
redeeman: im wondering if it would at all be possible to create a discrete graphics card with a G45 chip
Kano: i doubt that
redeeman: why?
Kano: because it is the northbrige no gfx chip
redeeman: yes and so what?
Kano: the northbrige includes the memory controller for intel
redeeman: yes
redeeman: so then it could use the memory controller for dedicated video ram
Kano: i dont think that will work
redeeman: im no hardware expert, but i don't see why it shouldn't be possible
Kano: nobody would buy it, as you can get very cheap cards from ati or nvidia which are faster
redeeman: i know people that would buy it
redeeman: including myself
Kano: these people can buy a board too
redeeman: yes but they cant smash that board into their existing thing now can they?
redeeman: i for instance, couldnt run my Q9450 the way i do, in such a G45 board
Kano: thats even better for intel as you can to use it with amd cpu now ;)
Kano: sure you can, G45 support officially fsb 1333 and overclocking should be really no problem, that chip can do the same as any p45 - many boards are even tested with 1600 and more
redeeman: it says max TDP is 95W
redeeman: and it seems quite hard to attach proper cooling to it's mosfets
Kano: well maybe wait for asus or gigabyte, they will rate it higher
redeeman: the gigabyte board also has no practical way of attaching heatsink to the mosfets
redeeman: (their G45 one)
redeeman: or waterblocks
Kano: what fsb do you use that you need that?
redeeman: Kano: i know lots of people that would gladly pay $200 and even more, for a GMA X4500 on pci express card
redeeman: 1600
Kano: pah
Kano: that runs fine even with my g33 without special cooling
redeeman: well.. i have the gigabyte X48-DQ6 board
Kano: you have got problem, i cant believe it
redeeman: and it freezes unless i point a fan at the big heatsinks+heatpipe
redeeman: (i have waterblock on cpu)
redeeman: the heatsinks gets extremely hot
Kano: maybe the x48 chip is older
redeeman: X48 is quite new
redeeman: i believe it's the mosfets that are overheating
redeeman: that's what people tell me on hardware forums
Kano: are you sure that p45/g45 is not shrinked?
redeeman: remember, im running my Q9450 at 3.2ghz
redeeman: i don't know
redeeman: but i believe it's not the NB that gives heat, but the mosfets
Kano: fsb 400 used to work even with 965 on good boards and those are specified for 266...
redeeman: yeah as said, i don't believe it's the NB that are the problem, but rather the voltage regulators
Kano: on a highend board?
redeeman: yes
Kano: x48 is pretty expensive
redeeman: yes i know
Kano: would have never bought it
redeeman: well i bought it
redeeman: im not afraid to pay for stuff, neither would i be afraid of purchasing a GMA X4500 for same price as a 4870
Kano: you wanted pci-e 2.0 before all others *g*
redeeman: no i didn't care about that
redeeman: i heard that X48 should be more stable with quadcores
redeeman: stability is much valued by me
Kano: it was the only chipset specified for 1600 yes
Kano: but that does not mean anything
redeeman: i read on a few review sites that minor changes to X48 made it more stable
redeeman: that made the decision for me
Kano: it is marketing to rate the mainstream chips lower
Kano: maybe more stable ABOVE that
schestowitz: michaellarabel, I'm disappointed that you use phrases like "free software zealots " in your articles.
michaellarabel: What about that phrase don't you like?
Kano: redeeman: well i use a E6600 that uses less power thats clear, but the G45 as chipset itself has got definitely no problem reaching fsb400/1600
redeeman: Kano: yes, as i said(multiple times :)), it's not the NB that's the problem, it's the amount of heat the voltage regulators make, when running the Q9450 at 3.2ghz
redeeman: atleast that's what people i've asked in overclocker forums seems to say
Kano: maybe i get one Q9450 too when it is out in new revision
Kano: there will be a small change which could be used with the 4series (just not X48)
Kano: r0 stepping
redeeman: is it a significant change?
Kano: the PSI
Kano: Power Status Indicator
redeeman: what does it offer me?
Kano: that means the board can use that and lower the energy consumption in idle mode
redeeman: ah nice
Kano: maybe it works with X48, not sure
redeeman: my bios doesent appear to do the fsb/multiplier lowering thingie
Kano: it did with my gigabyte board with one of the first bios revisions even when i rased fsb
Kano: newer revisions disabled it or even when you manually enabled those options they did not work - at least not with linux
Kano: EIST+ C1E are those options usally disabled when you overclock
Kano: EIST lowers the voltage and adjusts fsb, C1E is extended halt
Kano: have to use stock speeds now when i want to use that
Kano: i can remember clearly that when i only changed fsb from 266 to 333 the cpu was working with 2 ghz with older bios revisons...
Kano: instead of 1600
Kano: now it stays at 3000 then
cxo: damn nickserv,
cxo: gives me a headache
schestowitz: michaellarabel, the phrase is often used to paint those who want a free system (power vs freedom) as fringe lunatics.
schestowitz: interpretation & connotation differ depending on the reader though. Don't worry about it...
m-c: schestowitz: are you referring to 'zealot' ?
m-c: feels like he is on Jeopardy.
schestowitz: m-c, the problem with these terms is that they are used to demonise.
m-c: I would say they are there to quickly dismiss
schestowitz: True.
m-c: If they were demonization terms, then people would use them to launch into their own rant
m-c: People do not want to think about Windows alternatives (too tiring), so they embrace terms that quickly dismiss and do the thinking for them.
m-c: zealot means 'I do not have to listen to him because he is out of touch with reality like a cultist'.
m-c: microsoft may come up with the terms, but it is people like you and me who perpetuate them. I heard one self-described open source advocate call the GPL a 'virual' license when compared to BSD. poor, poor choice of words
m-c: Linux enthusiasts need to stand-up to people who use such terminology -- I know, hard for computer shut-ins to do -- and say, 'Listen, it offends me when you call me a religious slur.'
m-c: People keep using it because they think they can get away with it.
schestowitz: Good points. Thanks for sharing.
m-c: worth noting this is not a term that is used for other interests. you'd never say, 'Joe is clearly a Chevy zealot,' because Joe would probably punch you in the face. ;)
Kano: michaellarabel: dont forget 2.6.26 rc8
Kano: michaellarabel: http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/testing/ChangeLog-2.6.26-rc8
m-c: nerdcore MC Frontalot doing a new commercial for the G4 channel >> http://frontalot.com/media.php/427/MCF_2600(G4)_%5BiPhone%5D.m4v
cxo: man have i been living in dark or what, i just installed opera 9.5, its at least 4x faster than firefox
cxo: u guys gotta try it out
vadi2: I did
m-c: using it now ;)
vadi2: no adblock, and it uses qt3 so it looks fugly (at least qt4 uses my gtk theme). no go :(. but props to them for a 64bit .deb :)
vadi2: (wish firefox bothered to make them)
cxo: heh, opera9.5 looks pretty nice on my machine
cxo: not sure what themes its using
m-c: vadi2 - use a /etc/hosts list - instead of adblock
schestowitz: Kano, he wrote about rc8 already
cxo: kinda looks like some vista theme
Kano: not in my rss feed
vadi2: m-c: sorry, but adblock is a lot easier.
Kano: dont you mean rc7?
m-c: just running another program in memory when there is a config file already there
Kano: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NjU0MQ
Kano: that was rc7
schestowitz: Not sure about michaellarabel , but I caught this over a day ago.
m-c: Huh - so it was michaellarabel who used the term, 'zealot'
m-c: would it have been too hard to say enthusiast?
cxo: yes the absence of adblock is annoying
schestowitz: That's what I thought.
m-c: cxo: http://everythingisnt.com/hosts
cxo: no man
cxo: intelligent adblock
cxo: like for css and all that crap
cxo: not just random denial per dns
vadi2: yup.
m-c: This hosts file filters out aggressive cookie servers too
m-c: schestowitz: This is what I am saying, we do not come up with these terms, we do not stop their use, and then we start using them ourselves, as we let them define us.
cxo: heh ok, so opera has a "content block"er thing, its not dynamic like adblock, and you cant subscribe to lists, but you can add stuff manually
m-c: Pretty soon, we'll be zealots for viral software.
cxo: better than nothing
cxo: i got rid of the google ads straight away
m-c: Is that a widget?
cxo: huh?
cxo: http://my.opera.com/Tamil/blog/ad-block
cxo: ~/.opera/urlfilter.ini
cxo: put all the "Optimized filter" stuff in there
schestowitz: , I doubt it'll be effective.
m-c: what would?
schestowitz: parotting.
schestowitz: parroting, I mean.
redeeman: vadi2: opera 32bit exists in qt4 version
redeeman: opera just doesent scroll smooth :|
redeeman: firefox used to not do it, but apparently version 3 fixes that
vadi2: redeeman: I'm on 64bit.
redeeman: that's the great benefit of closedware
redeeman: you cant do shit :P
vadi2: redeeman: don't tell me you're using that too!
redeeman: 64bit? i sure do
vadi2: redeeman: no, the opera closedware.
redeeman: no i don't use that
vadi2: :)
redeeman: well.. except that i download it every other release to see if they have fixed scrolling
vadi2: what, eagerly waiting for the next release of a binary blob? o.O
redeeman: nah, i don't await it
redeeman: i just test it whenever i see that a new major version is out
redeeman: and if i have time
redeeman: i cant very well badmouth it if i haven't checked
vadi2: ahh
redeeman: not that i particularly care about opera either way
redeeman: opera seems somewhat comitted to web standards
redeeman: and so they don't hurt non-opera users
redeeman: so frankly, i don't have a problem with opera
vadi2: but it has a problem with scrolling, and you cannot fix it! it's closed source.
redeeman: yeah but i also don't use it
Kano: glxinfo|grep -o GL_ARB_shading_language_.*
vadi2: well for the same matter firefox has a problem with javascript... and nobody fixed that yet either. lol.
Kano: could somebody with oss drivers check if there is an output
redeeman: kano that's bad grep
redeeman: you need to escape the *
Kano: does not matter, it works that way
redeeman: no it does not
redeeman: not in zsh anyway
redeeman: Kano: 2 sec, ill get the output from X3100 on ubuntu 7.10
Kano: would be fine
Kano: i guess it does not have got any output
Kano: thats a glsl check
redeeman: shouldn't intel support glsl?
Kano: i guess at max 965G
Kano: nvidia+fglrx do support it
redeeman: Kano: nope
redeeman: http://rafb.net/p/U9NMRJ84.html
Kano: thats what i guessed, therefore i seek still somebody with 965G
redeeman: unfortunately the only system i have access to with that, does not have X
Kano: thats ok,somebody else will have that too i guess
redeeman: Kano: when you have some info, please let me know
Kano: will do
Kano: G35 would be interesting too however
Kano: even wine can use glsl if detected
redeeman: yeah
redeeman: would also be nice to see output from X3500
Kano: when ut3 does come out for linux we would have nice new benchmark too ;)
redeeman: haha "when"
Kano: it seems there was some progress lately
redeeman: what progress?
redeeman: their silence is an abysmal failure
michaellarabel: http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9235&page=7
redeeman: so they finally come to a forum and say "we dont discuss!!"
redeeman: that's just crap
redeeman: they have been acting like morons, and doesent deserve that anyone buys anything from them EVER
Kano: well it took a bit long, but maybe they finally get it going
redeeman: the very least they can do is inform people of that
redeeman: their silence only makes people think they are a bunch of lying thugs
vadi2: I think that's quite nice that they dropped by, because they really didn't have to.
vadi2: (lets hope they won't get told to go and get lost too)
redeeman: they have made false marketing for UT3
Kano: server variants are just more importent for em as many people want to run the game on dedicated servers
Kano: but the client takes really long
vadi2: no doubt. so many games have a linux server and no client.
vadi2: sorta pisses you off.
redeeman: they should be barred from making linux servers without clients
Exopaladin: all that'd do is massively increase the amount of copies of Server 2K3/Server 2K8 that MS sell :P
redeeman: theres a reason people want to run their game servers on linux
redeeman: and it's the fact that winblows server cant really do it good enough
Exopaladin: there's also price, linux servers are a lot cheaper generally
vadi2: hm. kde4 performs poorly with nvidia drivers?
redeeman: vadi2: it atleast did, don't know if they have worked around it, kde4 has work around lots of nvidia driver crap
vadi2: that sucks. but who's to blame..
Kano: vadi2: do you use kde4 daily?
vadi2: of course no, they don't have an end-user version yet
Kano: well i like still kde 3.5.5 most things work and that fast
vadi2: the DE I mean
vadi2: I use several kde4 programs (like a mud client heh)
redeeman: vadi2: well.. since it's nvidia driver weirdness, it's not hard to point a finger
cxo: need 4870 now!
cxo: need 4870 now!
maligor: the kde 4.1 svn in debian experimental is shiny
cxo: need 4870 now!
vadi2: redeeman: yeah, but then again - is it their fault that they conquered the market?
Kano: cxo: then spend your money for it on first day - you must have got too much of it
redeeman: vadi2: i don't see how marketshare has ANYTHING to do with driver quality?
vadi2: redeeman: because there are no foss cards about that conquered it. they got it, they're free to do whatever they want
redeeman: vadi2: i still don't see how that influences the "whos to blame.."
vadi2: redeeman: they can even say we don't care and we won't support alternative platforms if they like.
redeeman: anybody can say whatever they feel like
redeeman: nvidia could even decide to not support ANY OS if they want
vadi2: yeah.
Exopaladin: vadi2: which mud client is that, out of curiosity?
redeeman: im not sure where you are going with this?
vadi2: kmuddy
redeeman: you asked who is to blame, and nvidia driver issues are obviously something nvidia is to blame for
Exopaladin: ah, they actually updating it again? :P
vadi2: redeeman: that blaming them is silly and we should be thankful
redeeman: vadi2: how so?
redeeman: they advertise that they support linux
vadi2: Exopaladin: Yeah, it actually was being updated all along.
redeeman: and when one then purchases a product from them
Exopaladin: ah, ok
vadi2: Exopaladin: I got the author to even update the website! heh
redeeman: one expects shit to work
vadi2: Exopaladin: working on the kde4 port... which means rewriting every single thing. bleh.
Exopaladin: :/
redeeman: acant you fix that weird character at beginning of your highlights?
Exopaladin: currently I use Kildclient, quite a decent client
vadi2: it's horrible compared to kmuddy
vadi2: and I think it's the one with the really bad scrolling
Exopaladin: can't say I've had any scrolling issues
vadi2: I did when I tried. Anyway I like kmuddy's flexibility - you can script for it in practically any language.
vadi2: all that support stdout and stdin really.
vadi2: redeeman: I don't see the character, but it's a pidgin bug, so no I can't really
vadi2: redeeman: apparently some irc clients do show it :s
redeeman: you should get a patched version then, it's annoying
redeeman: you can probably fix it by disabling unicode in it
vadi2: if there's a .deb.. sure
vadi2: no I need to use russian in pidgin.
Exopaladin: I may try it again now that I know it's actually actively being updated :P
vadi2: Exopaladin: heh.
vadi2: Exopaladin: when I first came to linux, I skipped kmuddy too
Exopaladin: I used to use it but I seem to recall having some sort of annoying issue (can't remember what) and as it looked like it had been abandoned I stopped using it
vadi2: Exopaladin: no .deb and the last news post was ages ago. but then (thankfully, because all other clients sucked and I was thinking of going back) the author contacted me :)
vadi2: oh and I made #kmuddy now, so drop by.
cxo: Kano, in canada (where i live) its always going to be expensive
cxo: thats just how these bitches are
redeeman: Kano: anholdt just told me that since mesa 7, newer GMA has shaders
Kano: hmm mesa 7
Kano: and what version do you use?
redeeman: it's just weird kano, cause it says mesa 7.0.1 on that glxinfo output i got from my brother
redeeman: but maybe that's ubuntu weirdness
Kano: well the card will work with any live cd
Kano: hardy will be of course newer
redeeman: yeah naturally
redeeman: if you have a cd you know not have weird messed up stuff, and have newest stack, i could probably persuade my brother to test it
Kano: vadi2: when you look at win benchmarks the 4870 seems to be interesting
Exopaladin: I won't try kmuddy right now anyway, I've not currently got KDE emerged and I'm debating about just going to arch or debian sid at the moment
vadi2: Kano: ?
Kano: vadi2: you did not find em?
vadi2: Kano: sorry, find what
Kano: benchmarks for 4870
vadi2: Not sure what you're talking about, I'm on 8600gt
vadi2: I think you confused me with someone else
redeeman: cxo probably
vadi2: Yeah, he was demanding it
vadi2: '(12:24:46 PM) cxo: need 4870 now!'
cxo: yes, i am demanding one!
cxo: hasnt played a game in years
cxo: got blue bal...umm hands
vadi2: I'm starting to like this passwords and encryption keys they added... now I can encrypt something by right-clicking on it :)
Exopaladin: added to what?
vadi2: ubuntu. (I didn't get the need for it for a long while 'till someone asked how to encrypt the 'Adult' folder)
Exopaladin: heh
redeeman: vadi2: in kde we have been able to encrypt with a right click for years
vadi2: redeeman: by default? never saw that option..
redeeman: you can enable it in kgpg, i think it's default
vadi2: yeah, well I doubt doubt that this program (seahorse) existed for a long while either. just had to install it!
redeeman: i hope my X1650 comes tomorow
cxo: you went and bought an x1650? are you mental?
redeeman: what?
redeeman: ofcourse i bought one
redeeman: im told R500 dri works stable now
redeeman: i want to get rid of the crappy nvidia drivers
maligor: does it?
cxo: the 4850 making headlines on every review site, and beating everything up to the 9800GTX is not good enough for you?
redeeman: well i won't know untill i get it :P
redeeman: does 4850 have drivers for me?
redeeman: would i be able to checkout R700 dri and use?
redeeman: from the little i've seen of fglrx, it's worse than nvidia, and kano also seems to agree
redeeman: and i happen to believe kano
redeeman: cxo: but not to worry, it was only like... $75
maligor: but have you tried opensource 3d on it yet?
cxo: oh, the 4850 is twice that + shipping
redeeman: maligor: no, as i said, i only ordered it today, it hasn't arrived yet
maligor: only if you order by boat
redeeman: cxo: the price isn't scaring me, i'd actually be willing to pay like... $1000, if it had really stable free drivers
maligor: hmm.. club3d 4850 for 163.90 €
maligor: not bad
cxo: redeeman, what about an intel chip?
maligor: especially since these are launch prices
redeeman: cxo: if they sold their stuff discrete i would already have one
cxo: what does it matter, if its discrete or not?
redeeman: as far as i know, most motherboards don't have a pcimotherboard interface to allow me to plug in a secondary motherboard for features :P
maligor: seen any benches of 4850 SLI?
redeeman: maligor: i believe techreport has
redeeman: except it's crossfire :P
maligor: whatever
michaellarabel: maligor: We'll have 4850 Xfire Linux benchmarks as soon as we're allowed to share them...
bacatta: nice !
maligor: heh, nice
redeeman: michaellarabel: so you actually have it running?
maligor: did cx support triple card config?
maligor: since you could get 3 of them for the price of a GTX 280
michaellarabel: redeeman: In an early driver, yes.
redeeman: 4870 does atleast
michaellarabel: On Linux setting up CrossFire chains are done through aticonfig.
maligor: so I guess it stores it in amdpcsdb
michaellarabel: Yeah, pretty much all of their features do (or will) use the persistent store.
redeeman: they really should come up with a better cli frontend
maligor: they should make it handle version upgrade sbetter
redeeman: they should have it be cleartext
redeeman: like a configdir
maligor: sometimes the file becomes unusable on upgrade
maligor: it's pretty cleartext
redeeman: like.. /etc/amdfglrx.d/crossfire
maligor: 4850 definately makes 9800gtx look really bad
michaellarabel: That's on Windows.
maligor: but can't find any sli benchies, even for windows
maligor: I know
cxo: the 4850 in CF, on Crysis, at 1920x1600 Very High, is actually the fastest gaming card right now
redeeman: michaellarabel: doesent fglrx(generally speaking) have same performance as their winblows driver?
michaellarabel: redeeman: Generally, yes.
cxo: it beast the 280GTX and 9800GTX2 by 1fps
cxo: which is really weird,
maligor: I guess they have a card that works strangely well with limited bandwidth on high resolution
maligor: limited compared to the high end nvidia anyway
cxo: the size of the frame must have been in sync with the bus
cxo: cpu clock, and memory
maligor: wikipedia says the gtx 280 has 141.7 GB/s bandwidth to mem
maligor: which is nearly 3x
maligor: oh, no, a bit over 2x
maligor: oh well, I'll just go for openpandora instead of a hd 4870 :P
maligor: assuming they get a product some day
m4rku5: rofl that captchas you guys use _SUCK_
m-c: You know that everyone here is a reader of the site, right goofy?
vadi2: when did we get captchas anyway
michaellarabel: Talking about the vBulletin CAPTCHA maybe?
vadi2: nothing can be worse than rapidshare captchas
m4rku5: yeah
m4rku5: its the bBulletin ones
m4rku5: i tried to do some research about the R690G and TV-Out/HDMI-Out support in the ati (binary and/or open source) drivers
m4rku5: but either my captcha was wrong or i had to wait for 45secs or whatever :S
michaellarabel: m4rku5: Just register for forums, and then no CAPTCHA.
m4rku5: hmm ok ;) quick question: did anyone try onboard TV/HDMI-OUT with any ATI drivers ?
m4rku5: i want to build a HTPC
michaellarabel: With which drivers?
m4rku5: doesnt matter ;)
m4rku5: just needs to work with the R690G
michaellarabel: Should work fine with fglrx, and maybe with xf86-video-ati
m4rku5: well at least your quick answer compensates for the forum software :)
m4rku5: iirc you wrote a year ago that sound over HDMI with the R600 should work with alsa 1.0.16 - any news on that ?
michaellarabel: Yes, the ATI APU is supported in ALSA. The RV770 is supported even in ALSA master.
m4rku5: nice :)
m4rku5: I guess I'll go for that mainboard then
m4rku5: now if you knew a DVB-S card that is low profile and has working linux drivers you'd be my hero ;)
redeeman: http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/The-Stalled-Server-Room.aspx
vadi2: 'The Aspire one was designed to get you online in no time at all and thanks to the Linpus™ Linux® Lite operating system'
vadi2: 'Linpus™ Linux® Lite' cracks me up.
vadi2: Oh it's actually a real distro. oops.
vadi2: If anyone was needing some serial codes for ubuntu (you know, to hack that DRM): http://www.serialshark.com/serials/Ubuntu-Linux
redeeman: michaellarabel: so is there really docs from intel on how to use the video decoding stuff in their GMA?
michaellarabel: They do have documentation covering video: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=984&num=1
m-c: Is it me, or are the captchas getting too hard? I am have been unable to leave comments in a couple places because I cannot get them right. Do they require cookies enabled or something?
Kano: michaellarabel: do you have got a 965G or G35?
m-c: Bah! I give up. :-D
michaellarabel: I have a couple 965Gs and I think I have a G35 somewhere
Kano: nice
redeeman: what about G45, will we get info enough to use the H264 decoding?
Kano: please try this: glxinfo|grep -o GL_ARB_shading_language_.*
michaellarabel: redeeman: No idea
Kano: if you get an output you could try the zero ballistics game on it
michaellarabel: Kano: All of those motherboards are sitting in boxes in my storage room. Once I pull one out next, I'll give it a whirl.
Kano: the g33 does not show this but 965 might do
m-c: This looks pretty cool >> http://www.pocket-lint.co.uk/news/news.phtml/15659/16683/brando-sport-in-ear-mp3-player.phtml
starkmjolk: time for bed, nite
Kano: michaellarabel: when do you want to show the dual core benchmarks for the new gfx cards?
michaellarabel: Tomorrow they will probably go out
Kano: well here is already tuesday, do you mean friday?
Kano: thursday i mean ;)
michaellarabel: I mean in probably 15 hours or so
Kano: ok
Kano: and did you find some benchmarks where 4870 is winning ;)
Kano: i looked at some win benchmarks, it was not slow, usually slower than the gtx 280 card but thats much more expensive
m-c: Instead of saying "zealot", can we say "freedom patriot" ? Thank you.
redeeman: m-c: did you get kvm working properly? :P
m-c: Yes. Thanks, freedom patriot!
m-c: Works like a charm, and I feel like I have my head wrapped around the whole thing now. I just needed a nudge in the right direction.
redeeman: kvm is really simple
redeeman: libvirt and virt-manager and all those enterprise xml things however, are not :)
redeeman: fortunately they are not required
m-c: I like the automatic provisioning they are doing with it to get cloud computing working, but, as you say, it's not required.
redeeman: i dislike the use of weird xml files and shit :)
Kano: you like of course a clear binary config file like amdccle uses ;)
redeeman: kano, i haven't even dared look at the file :P
Kano: i guess it is just a memory dump of status registers
redeeman: holy crap
redeeman: that sort of stuff really shouldn't be legal
redeeman: in my opinion, the ONE thing that shouldn't be free, is a compiler
redeeman: or well, at the very least not free to have
redeeman: people should pass some sort of sanity test before being allowed to code
michaellarabel: For those that have a Windows PC, compare the amdpcsdb to the Windows registry files for ATI...
redeeman: i have no doubt that is an order of magnitude worse on winblows, but that doesent change the badness of the file on linux :D
michaellarabel: no no, that's not what I was implying.
redeeman: what then?
michaellarabel: You'll just have to do some exploring :)
redeeman: im afraid i have no legal access to winblows
redeeman: you are suggesting there are options in the registry we might wish to test in the linux file?
cxo_: whats that new who movie