Phoronix IRC Log: 2008-06-20
GNU\colossus: what is the state of support for the 780G chipset with free drivers at the moment?
GNU\colossus: does xv already work for that chip?
PetoKraus: just one question - how difficult is it to do ATI/AMD FGLRX -> RadeonHD transition?
Kano: uninstall fglrx
rbrett: I think you'll just need to completely remove fglrx
rbrett: and install rhd
PetoKraus: well that's nice
PetoKraus: how about kernel?
Kano: well dont forget to reboot or at least unload fglrx module
rbrett: and set rhd to be default driver in system-config-display
PetoKraus: i guess i'd need to compile some stuff in, right? do you have a guide?
rbrett: before restarting
PetoKraus: ok, i'll try it
PetoKraus: the R500 DRI support is in stable, or not yet?
PetoKraus: well stable... release.
Ivanovic: PetoKraus: it is not released so far
PetoKraus: right, so i should use git-version
Ivanovic: you will need git version from drm/mesa, drm/drm and either xf86-video-radeonhd or xf86-video-ati
Ivanovic: (for the last two the lastest releases might work)
Ivanovic: and depending on the xserver shipped with your distri, you might also need git version of xorg-server
redeeman: Kano: why does one need to uninstall fglrx to use radeonhd?
Kano: redeeman: when you want to use drm yes, if you dont then you can leave the mesa libs from fglrx installed
Kano: these have been replaced
redeeman: so one just needs a distribution which handles multiple versions of those libraries? :P
Kano: for 2d only no change needed
Kano: thats not a different version (these would have numbers), it is the same lib just optimized for fglrx not for oss drivers
redeeman: isn't it an entirely different library written by ati?
Kano: well of course, just the use is the same for the apps
redeeman: ok so i rephrase
Kano: thats also the case when you use nvidia - nvidia replaces even much more files
redeeman: so one just needs a distribution which handles multiple different copies of the same library?
Kano: not possible
redeeman: gentoo does it
Kano: you have to uninstall fglrx
Kano: for debian you can use debs, so cleanup is pretty simple
Kano: for others execute the uninstall script
redeeman: on gentoo one can somewhat easily have nvidia, fglrx, and free drivers
redeeman: and just switch which to use
Kano: after x server shutdown you can unload fglrx module
Kano: change xorg.conf, enable whatever oss driver and fire it up
Kano: well switching is basically possible when you symlink the file to differnt places
Kano: but you dont gain much by that
redeeman: why not?
Kano: its a bad hack
redeeman: it's a simple yet effective solution to having multiple drivers installed with easy changing
Kano: i define simple differntly but if you like to do it this way, then do
redeeman: symlinks are pretty simple in my opinion
Ivanovic: Kano: uhm, eg gentoo manages to really seperate the drm/mesa libs
redeeman: Ivanovic: that's what i just said :)
Ivanovic: so if using portage under gentoo there is no need to uninstall, you just use "eselect opengl set xorg-x11"
Ivanovic: lovely that is
redeeman: yes gentoo is quite good
Kano: will not install gentoo
Ivanovic: you just need to rmmod fglrx if you want to change it without rebooting
redeeman: i wouldn't trust rmmod nvidia or fglrx
redeeman: it undoubtedly leaves various very nasty things
Kano: redeeman: that funnyly better works as when you switch from oss driver to fglrx
Ivanovic: yes, some things are strangely initialised
redeeman: yeah :D
redeeman: im actually happy fglrx/nvidia isn't opensourced
Ivanovic: so in general you have to reboot or you will get a disorted screen when switching from fglrx to radeonhd/ati
redeeman: the people looking at it might die
redeeman: or atleast go blind
Kano: at least i had really lots of crashes when executing my script which does that and the x700 was running with radeon before
Kano: reboot is not possible when you want to do that in live mode ;)
Kano: therefore my latest variant is
Kano: to install fglrx /nvidia drivers on bootup BEFORE x starts
Kano: of course it is also possible to boot standard drivers and install later
Kano: both variants work, my scripts can do that with my distro (kanotix) and ubuntu
redeeman: ok gotta go a minute, have to go check on a geode box to see if the booting works
Kano: using hd install only distros is quite boring ;)
Kano: the real challange is to change drivers in live mode
Kano: for live-helper this is just too simple compared to the crap what ubuntu does
Kano: ubuntu does not shut down the xserver when you stop gdm
Kano: therfore you have to use extra hacks
redeeman: damn a 500mhz geode isn't really fast for qemu+kqemu
Kano: qemu is extra slow
Kano: virtualbox is faster
maligor: duh.. savage2 all eu servers are now bugged
redeeman: Kano: and considerably more buggy
redeeman: and just weird
Kano: redeeman: well i would not say that, there are bugs in it but much faster and the bugs are usually in things that qemu does not provide
redeeman: qemu provides lots of stuff
redeeman: the rdp server in virtualbox is b0rked
Kano: does it provide usb support or seamless integration?
redeeman: with different bugs on linux and windows
redeeman: i don't care about seamless
redeeman: as for usb, i believe it does
Kano: rdp works when you start vbox from commandline
redeeman: i believe you just proved my point
redeeman: one thing i got really pissed of
redeeman: why the fsck cant virtualbox work on 32bit userspace 64bit kernel?
Kano: VBoxVRDP -s "Windows XP"
Kano: 64 bit kernel with 32 bit userspace. well the problem is the compilation of the kernel module
redeeman: i compiled the module
redeeman: it won't accept it
redeeman: theres a bug report about it
Kano: maybe for 32 bit?
redeeman: filed about... a year ago
redeeman: it's plainly because virtualbox is weird
Kano: but i would never do what you did
Kano: because you can not compile binary modules that way
redeeman: i can compile binary modules in a 64bit chroot and move to /lib/modules
redeeman: i can manage the modules myself
redeeman: i just need virtualbox not to go bug
redeeman: and then whenever virtualbox fails something
redeeman: it doesent give a usable error message
redeeman: it gives some fucked up uuid
Kano: well will not test you config, with standard config it works fine
redeeman: ... provided you do workarounds such as "ohh but start from commandline"
redeeman: and then theres the virtualbox guest utilities install script
redeeman: it's the most buggy thing in the world
redeeman: i had to spend half an hour having it run on a friends debian
redeeman: almost as bad as vmware's perl script for host stuff
redeeman: though thankfully i can just use kvm on my new workstation
Kano: redeeman: well i am used to vbox, i can configure it very fast - scripted if needed
Kano: did you ever press ctrl-l with vbox 1.6+
Kano: works in linux too
redeeman: no i don't believe i have
redeeman: what does it do?
vadi2: the seamless thing?
vadi2: it's the worst thing ever.
Kano: looks pretty cool
vadi2: yeah, but totally fails on the working part
redeeman: yeah i believe i prefer my vm's not stretched across my screen
Kano: it works, it has some issues when doing updates however
Kano: the reboot can hang in some cases
Kano: but for normal usage it works fine
redeeman: so if one uses seamless, reboots and updates does not work?
redeeman: wtf is that?
vadi2: do you have issues with it "forgetting" that the addons are installed?
vadi2: my linux vms do that out the blue. and I can't reinstall them now either..
vadi2: it refuses to mount the thing.
vadi2: windows however has been working fine for months :/
redeeman: after you... update kernel?
redeeman: i don't much care about winblows vm's either
vadi2: Well, I do, I need to press the mingw compile button in it :)
vadi2: and yeah, I guess I did update the kernel in the linux vm
redeeman: you could also just stop developing for winblows
vadi2: gee thanks, when 98% of my customers on it. at least be happy I use gtk and mingw for windows.
vadi2: either my torrent client is badly messed up, or after 24h of the opensuse 11 release. the official torrents are only at 10kb/s...
Deanjo: michaellarabel, http://global.phoronix-test-suite.com/index.php?k=profile&u=michael-28978-12348-11892 <---- why are the machine descriptions over the wrong graphs ?
michaellarabel: merging bug, was working on addressing that one bug and they got mixed up, oops.
Deanjo: lol ok
michaellarabel: I did find the cause of one of the merging bugs
Deanjo: Had me scratching my head there for a bit
michaellarabel: $VIDEO_MEMORY is causing some of the merging problems
vadi2: Any opera fans here?
athewk: as in the browser?
vadi2: actually nvm, I think I got it. opera is using qt 3.3
Deanjo: http://global.phoronix-test-suite.com/index.php?k=profile&u=deanjo-9178-25016-6502 <--- interesting speed differences between lame
maligor: depends on entirely what they did :P
maligor: that's one tiny disk you have there :P
Deanjo: lol, ya I wish PTS displayed total disk size instead of the size of /
michaellarabel: Deanjo: Well, how do you want it to be measured
Deanjo: Oh I guess the total size of the mounts
maligor: you could just take physical disk sizes
Deanjo: or at least the disk that / resides on
maligor: what does it really matter how big the partition is
Deanjo: my wife says not :P
Deanjo: it's all how you use it :D
vadi2: that's a very personal declaration there
Deanjo: God lames cvs is slow as hell today
Deanjo: Also michaellarabel it would be nice on the iozone test if one had an option of selecting the drive they wanted to run the test on
Deanjo: That way a person could test compare the drives on their system
vadi2: maligor: wow, did you see the savage 1.5.0 update?
maligor: are the servers working now?
vadi2: dunno, downloading update
vadi2: but reading the changelog, and wow it's awesome.
vadi2: dodge, maliken
maligor: malphas is extremely hard to kill now
vadi2: didn't get to that part, why
maligor: I mean really really hard
vadi2: they were very hard before..
vadi2: with those slow lazors
vadi2: is this fp2?
michaellarabel: phoronix-test-suite-1.2 branch might appear soon...
vadi2: omg. my summoner got deleted.
Deanjo: does the 1.2 branch have killer tuna with lasers on their heads?
vadi2: michaellarabel: savage2 got a very big update with 1.5.0 (http://savage2.s2games.com/changelog.php), if you want to write something
vadi2: I think it's the fp2 update. 2 new units, 3 maps, and a ton of changes.
michaellarabel: vadi2: Thanks, probably will
michaellarabel: Ivanovic: I think I might do the UT2k4 PTS profile now
Deanjo: Are you going to give the option of running between 32-bit / 64-bit versions michaellarabel ?
michaellarabel: of ut2k4?
vadi2: heh, amusing computer comic: http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=234
Deanjo: Ya of ut2k4
Ivanovic: michaellarabel: great!
michaellarabel: Anyone ever deal with timedemos in Alien Arena?
Deanjo: waits for his 9800GTX+ card
vadi2: maligor: I like the changes. going to be sad at my eve subscription now..
vadi2: http://digg.com/linux_unix/Ashley_Highfield_BBC_executive_Reviews_Ubuntu <- this is the guy who was against supporting linux in the bbc iplayer
maligor: seems to leak quite a bit nwo
maligor: savage 2 that is
vadi2: *can't confirm, working ok here
maligor: doesn't seem to do it on all maps
maligor: it just goes to swap for me at times
Deanjo: michaellarabel, is there any way of getting PTS Global to dynamically grow width wise instead of the fixed layout?
michaellarabel: deanjo: I can modify it if you have good justification for it
Deanjo: Ya, the reason being is when your running multiple comparisons it gets really small
Deanjo: especially the descriptions
michaellarabel: k next update I do to it I'll move it to like 80% width or something
Deanjo: Thank you
Deanjo: http://global.phoronix-test-suite.com/index.php?k=profile&u=deanjo-2698-15787-8431 <--- for example it's really hard to start reading the descriptions under the bar graphs
michaellarabel: oh, for the graphs too.... hmm
Deanjo: seems like such a waste to have 1/2 the browser window displaying a white background
Ivanovic: michaellarabel: so how is work on the ut2k4 profile going?
Ivanovic: and more important:
Ivanovic: will there be the addition of a feature to allow using "systemwide" installations of programs?
Ivanovic: eg when etqw is installed systemwide, or the respective demos
michaellarabel: Ivanovic: I've been distracted by other work now :(
michaellarabel: Ivanovic: Yes, for PTS 1.2
michaellarabel: What I initially was distracted by was beginning to write a threading system for modules... Now it's almost working where the thermal monitors can be probed at the same time tests are running, instead of immediately before or after the tests, etc
Deanjo: Poopsie Plays: Back To Black by Amy Winehouse on Back To Black (Deluxe Edition) [Year: 2007] [Track: 5] [Length: 4:01] [Bitrate: 153] [Size: 4.42 MB]
michaellarabel: Deanjo have you tried PTS on Mac OS X yet?
Deanjo: No I haven't yet, been busy with other stuff (due to recent events)
michaellarabel: Ah yeah, okay.
Deanjo: Shouldn't be that difficult though, just got to adjust the download links for the games and such
Deanjo: Slapping a gui shouldn't be all that hard with xcode
michaellarabel: Once you get it working with the download link modifications and all, I can work on some modifications so that it can be pulled back into mainline
Deanjo: Ya, could also a simple query as too what OS its running on and have it select the appropriate arch/os I suppose.
michaellarabel: That's basically what I was thinking of where in the test-resources folder to have downloads.xml be generic but if you're running Mac OS X and for a test it seems macosx_downloads.xml, then use that, etc
Deanjo: Although I would rather not use xcode for the gui, sort of a 1 os solution that way, got to do some more reading on QT for OS X
michaellarabel: Isn't there a GTK OS X project?
vadi2: There is.
Deanjo: Ya, but I hate coding GTK
michaellarabel: Deanjo: But what if there is already a PTS GTK interface... then it's not your worry :)
Deanjo: Ya but there is no GTK for the iPhone :P
michaellarabel: There isn't php-cli for iPhone either, is there
Deanjo: *cough* hacked iphone *cough*
vadi2: that seems such a silly idea hehe.
Ivanovic: why not use qt then?
Deanjo: My loyalties are being tested lately michaellarabel :P
Ivanovic: there is qt for linux, osx and even this strange dos derivate
michaellarabel: Ivanovic: No Qt bindings for PHP that I know of
Kano: michaellarabel: http://www.php-qt.org/ ?
Deanjo: That's what I was thinking Ivanovic, GTK on OSX is still pretty stifled in it's capabilities when I last looked
michaellarabel: Kano: Thanks for the link, hadn't seen that project, but their site seems pretty empty.
vadi2: I'm sure everyone is welcome to make a Qt GUI if they really like Qt that much.
vadi2: (instead of saying switch to Qt, it's 'better')
Deanjo: Qt can also be used in several other programming languages; bindings exist for Ada, C#, Java, Pascal, Perl, PHP (PHP-Qt), Ruby (RubyQt), and Python (PyQt).
Deanjo: There are bindings for QT & PHP
michaellarabel: Then for all those that like Qt so much, start writing a PTS GUI :D
Ivanovic: michaellarabel: uhm, is there really someone prefering a gui program over a (good) cli program?
michaellarabel: Ivanovic: Yes
vadi2: Heh... yes. A whole lot of people.
Deanjo: People like buttons
Ivanovic: those must be strange folks...
Ivanovic: Deanjo: ain't there enough buttons on shirts?
Deanjo: Too many on my wifes :P
Ivanovic: so you see, you are at least one not liking buttons...
Deanjo: I pushed the "evil glare" button when the wife saw me walking in with a new laser printer this morning :P
Ivanovic: Deanjo: and i know the reason for the glare!
Ivanovic: she wanted to have one for herself, too
redeeman: Kano: hey, you said you backported ffmpeg svn to mplayer?
Deanjo: I seem to get it every pay day
Kano: redeeman: nope, mplayer has builtin ffmpeg until you disable it
Kano: when you disable buildin ffmpeg it uses external
redeeman: Kano: i haven't seen the switch to disable builtin
Ivanovic: Deanjo: ah, then it is not the printers fault, but "ugh, payday, now he wants to have some decent food..."
Kano: redeeman: i am sure you find it
redeeman: okay ill look again :)
redeeman: (it was some half a year since i looked)
Deanjo: Damn ram keeps going down
Kano: basicalyl you enable the external
Deanjo: 4 GB of OCZ Reaper 1066 DDR2 2x2 = $50 here
maligor: that's dirt cheap
maligor: well, dirt costs more
Kano: Deanjo: send me that ,9
redeeman: Kano: you mean the --disable-libavcodec_a stuff?
Deanjo: Unless it's "organic" dirt
Deanjo: Looks like I'm going to be making a return trip to the local comp store.
maligor: is it CL6 at 1066?
redeeman: i gave like $150 for 4x1gb kingston hyperx 1066 cl5
Deanjo: http://www.ocztechnology.com/products/memory/ocz_ddr2_pc2_8500_reaper_hpc_4gb_edition <---- that model maligor
Kano: redeeman: maybe it was xine-lib, there you can easyly use ffmpeg
maligor: a heatpipe too, huh
maligor: CL5 I see
redeeman: Kano: yeah, with xine-lib it's an option
Deanjo: starts tallying the ram slots on the system
redeeman: you should get 8gb then
Kano: redeeman: if test "$(USE_EXT_FFMPEG)" = yes ; then for i in libavcodec libavformat libavutil libpostproc ; do mv -v $$i $$i.disabled
Deanjo: Should pick up 6 kits
Deanjo: Max out my 3 main systems
Kano: from mplayer/debian/rules, thats a makefile,so double $
redeeman: Kano: i only checked the configure script options
Kano: just try removing/renaming those dirs
Kano: or replace em with new ffmpeg code
Kano: could work too
Ivanovic: is satisfied with the 4GB ddr2-800 ram from MDT
Ivanovic: what i bought it, it was still at 19€ per 1gb stick though...
Kano: well i tested 2 gb and 3gb, 3 did not get any speed improvement
Ivanovic: Kano: you can make exhaustive usage of ramdrives
Ivanovic: beside this it is really difficult to fill the ram for the normal "everyday apps" i use
Kano: Ivanovic: of course i can run pts in ram, but that should work with 2gb too
Ivanovic: Kano: i think more along the lines of portage compiling all in ram and using the ram as drive to store files
Ivanovic: allows speeding up some things
Kano: well maybe
Ivanovic: beside this there is not much where lots of ram really is used, compiling boost sucks up some 1GB, but there is still a lot more free
Deanjo: Ram rules with Pro/E
Deanjo: (and maya for that fact with huge models)
Kano: well you can use it with vm
Exopaladin: I use a ramdisk for /var/tmp/portage, it seems at least a little quicker than using HD space
Ivanovic: Exopaladin: it is
Ivanovic: Exopaladin: but beside using the ram as ramdisk there is not too much usage for the space
Exopaladin: yeah, I wouldn't really have a use for more than the 2GB I have at the moment
Exopaladin: although it would be fun to be able to compile openoffice in RAM
Deanjo: kernel compilation speeds up greatly with more ram as well
cxo: 45 people, not bad
cxo: c'mon, README.html? what do we look like windows users...
cxo: by the way, i enjoy the coverage on the ati hardware of late
cxo: keep it up
vadi2: What's wrong with a .html?
vadi2: I'm sure you can use lynx or whatever to view it...
cxo: its not GNU
vadi2: I'm sorry?
cxo: and i detest it
cxo: vadi2, GNU Coding Standard? GCS?
vadi2: It actually dictates that you aren't allowed a README.html?
cxo: do you what a standard means?
cxo: its a set of guide lines
cxo: not an enforcement
vadi2: So that standard says that you aren't allowed to name a readme README.html?
vadi2: Or shouldn't?
cxo: you can have anything you want, but only a clear text README will conform to GCS
cxo: i dont think you know what a standard is
vadi2: Oh, wow. Okay.
cxo: standards dont tell you what you "aren't allowed" or "are allowed"
cxo: and the line formatting is > 80char
cxo: vadi2, sorry, i'm just a harsh critic
cxo: i do love phoronix in general, and enjoy reading the articles
cxo: just looking a pts today
vadi2: I fail to see why are you comparing a non-GNU thing to the GNU standard.
vadi2: Unless it was clearly marked to the GNU compliant.
vadi2: *be, not the.
cxo: like i said, i detest it, i'm not saying it should be README instead of README.html
cxo: or that you should conform to GCS
cxo: all i said was its a bit _lane_ in my opinion
cxo: will you accept patches?
vadi2: Pretty sure they do, as there are several here: http://www.phoronix.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=49
cxo: i just notice pts just pulled down lame?
cxo: is there an option to use the host
cxo: ugh got bored of it already
michaellarabel: cxo: Hi. Yes we accept patches.
cxo: hello michaellarabel
cxo: how are you?
michaellarabel: LAME is downloaded so that it can be built in a more uniform way instead of using the host's binary, which could contain unknown optimizations, etc. Trying to make the tests more comparable.
cxo: thats a bit silly
cxo: i could add a 100 things to my toolchain to optimise the build
cxo: you dont build gcc to do you?
cxo: and glibc?
cxo: wonders if this can all be web driven instead of cli
michaellarabel: cxo: No. I am not saying that it's perfectly equivalent or anything along these lines, but its more accurate at least. Some distributions may also have extra patches in their programs.
cxo: should make it an option
cxo: so performance difference between host-patched-tools and the vanilla build can be compared
michaellarabel: For doing that, one could just easily modify the scripts to do that.
cxo: perhaps an autoconf could be used
cxo: michaellarabel, is there an iso i can download with all the test suites?
cxo: or a pts-complete.tar.bz2?
cxo: is getting annoyed with all these little downloads
michaellarabel: Not right now. There has been some discussion by some users of making a torrent, but I don't know if anyone went through with that.
cxo: not like you have to host the bandwidth, just provide a link to all the necessary stuff in a script or something to pull it all down at once
cxo: hmm gcc stderr gets thrown onto the console....
michaellarabel: oh, you mean like a "phoronix-test-suite download-all". All of the downloaded files can be thrown into a folder called "download-cache" and it will be used from there. Look at the documentation or elsewhere on the make-download-cache feature.
cxo: actually make stdout too, i think this should be thrown into a progress bar
cxo: michaellarabel, i saw that, the word "cache" was misleading, i understand it now, thanks
cxo: now your build system... its custom for each package or general?
michaellarabel: its all custom to each package, inside pts/test-resources/TEST-NAME/install.sh
cxo: hmm the disadvantages of going for the upstream stuff
cxo: you could carry rpm5 and just rebuild fedora src.rpms
michaellarabel: Why don't you like the upstream packages?
cxo: did i say i didnt like it?
michaellarabel: Okay, well then, what other disadvantages do you see with it?
DarkDefender: anyone else having problems with 8.6 and blender? I'm using an X1900XT x86_64. When starting Blender the screen becomes corrupted but that goes away when i shut blender down.
cxo: whats the link to the online database of test result submissions?
cxo: michaellarabel, its not tested by anyone who puts money behind it
Deanjo: No such corruption here DarkDefender
cxo: fedora/redhat will make sure the package works
cxo: building is unified
DarkDefender: hmm.. What setup do you have Deanjo
cxo: and rpm5 will run on anything including solaris
Deanjo: Kernel: Linux 184.108.40.206-1.1-default CPU: AMD Phenom(tm) 9850 Quad-Core Processor@3013.647 MHz CPU: AMD Phenom(tm) 9850 Quad-Core Processor@3013.647 MHz CPU: AMD Phenom(tm) 9850 Quad-Core Processor@3013.647 MHz CPU: AMD Phenom(tm) 9850 Quad-Core Processor@3013.647 MHz Mem/Use: 4062832 kB/ 27288 kB XInfo: Screen #0: @ 1600x1200 pixels (330x240 millimeters) /24 bit Uptime: 3 days 0:00
cxo: michaellarabel, thanks for the link, that should be in /topic
Deanjo: ( Operating System ) Linux openSUSE 11.0 (X86-64) Kernel: 220.127.116.11-1.1-default, GNU/Linux | Xorg: 18.104.22.168 | Desktop: KDE: 3.5.9 | IRC CLient: X-Chat v.2.8.6
Deanjo: 8800GT video
redeeman: Deanjo: what have you done to get it to clock at 3ghz?
cxo: beautiful website
cxo: very nice
Deanjo: Just bumped the multiplier
DarkDefender: I talking about the ATi drivers Deanjo ><
redeeman: i thought one couldnt easily get them so high
Deanjo: They can with good boards
redeeman: that's sweet
cxo: Is there a way of comparing all the same tests on the website?
cxo: in a big graph?
cxo: like 3dmark has
redeeman: Deanjo: would you mind trying to run a gmp benchmark?
michaellarabel: cxo: Eventually... Soon as I have more time.
Deanjo: There are a few of them already submitted on the sites redeeman
cxo: michaellarabel, so phoronix is like a side job? what do you do?
Deanjo: Same processor on a 790 board maxes out @ 2700
michaellarabel: cxo: No, I work on Phoronix (and PTS) for like 50 hours a week and another 40 hours at another company I own.
cxo: damn 90hrs in total a week?
Deanjo: with the nvidia 780a chipsets all I had to do is adjust the multiplier. No voltage or anything else, with a bump of .1 V I get 3250, haven't pushed it any higher
cxo: you beat me, i only do about 80hrs a week
michaellarabel: cxo: Yeah, or more. Aside from when traveling.
cxo: says no to traveling
redeeman: Deanjo: there are gmp benchmarks on pts?
cxo: brb aussi
Deanjo: Which specific tests are you looking for?
redeeman: the pi one
Deanjo: superpi should be in the universe cli tests
redeeman: it doesent say any gmp one?
redeeman: nono not superpi, the gmp-chudnowsky thing
redeeman: (i do mean gmp, not smp)
Deanjo: This ? http://gmplib.org/pi-with-gmp.html
Deanjo: I could
redeeman: if you could try 100 million digits
redeeman: it would be great
redeeman: i have a special core2 patched gmp
redeeman: but amd64 seems to be superior
redeeman: so im much interrested in it
redeeman: Deanjo: i just run it
Deanjo: so no switches?
redeeman: ./gmp-chudnovsky 100000000
redeeman: oh yeah i compiled with:
redeeman: gcc -march=native -O3 -fomit-frame-pointer -ftree-vectorize gmp-chudnovsky.c -o gmp-chudnovsky -lgmp -lm
Deanjo: actually for a phenom it would be -O3 -march=amdfam10
redeeman: yeah but im on core2
redeeman: so well :P
redeeman: but i think it doesent matter what gmp-chudnovsky is compiled with, as it just uses gmp/libm
redeeman: Deanjo: hows it going?
Deanjo: grrr damn lag
cxo: hahah my first test http://global.phoronix-test-suite.com/index.php?k=profile&u=vikky-20096-32408-32444
cxo: Compiz, Firefox, and Thunderbird were running on this system. ? only
cxo: ? what about my 2 vmware sessions, amarok, gaim, thunderbird, jackd etc... etc...
vadi2: It did list thunderbird ;)
Deanjo: here you go redeeman http://pastebin.com/m6a369881
cxo: xchat even
cxo: bittorrent, thats a memory hog if i ever knew one
redeeman: wtf Deanjo
redeeman: something must be wrong
michaellarabel: cxo: Those are just checked processes right now
redeeman: the gmp-chudnowsky site says a highend amd64 needs 200 seconds to do it
redeeman: Deanjo: are you sure your gmp is actually using the x86_64 asm?
redeeman: and are you on x86_64 ?
Deanjo: ( Operating System ) Linux openSUSE 11.0 (X86-64) Kernel: 22.214.171.124-1.1-default, GNU/Linux | Xorg: 126.96.36.199 | Desktop: KDE: 3.5.9 | IRC CLient: X-Chat v.2.8.6
Deanjo: I can try it again using the -k8 opts
redeeman: well gmp library is what matters
redeeman: you need to have a version build with the asm
cxo: oh this would be thoroughly entertaining if i could compare this easily to other hardware...
cxo: "Red Hat's David Airlie has requested that Linus Torvalds pulls in a slew of DRM patches in time for the Linux 2.6.26 kernel release"
cxo: that must be the funniest thing i've read all week
cxo: Linus wont put anything into the kernel even if his mother asked him to
redeeman: core2 is really king for 7zip lol
redeeman: but not openssl :(
cxo: the core2 is a pretty expensive cpu too, relatively speaking
redeeman: michaellarabel: you should put in an option to pts so that one can specify if the partition where the pts data is, is dm-crypted, and if so, which setup
cxo: so how come phoronix didnt report on this http://www.itbusiness.ca/it/client/en/Home/News.asp?id=48359
redeeman: michaellarabel: oh sweet, 1.0.1 detects my gigabyte board!!! :D
michaellarabel: redeeman: Great!
redeeman: 0.5 didn't do it :>
cxo: heh it doesnt my asus a8n-sli
cxo: which was like the p5k of the amd64 x2
cxo: but i suppose the data is coming from lspci or something....
michaellarabel: The detection is done using HAL
redeeman: that would be why
redeeman: i fixed hal since last time i used pts
redeeman: seriously, you should use lshw or dmidecode
redeeman: it works for everything really
redeeman: atleast x86_64/x86
michaellarabel: Does lshw ship with most distributions these days? I really haven't checked lately on it.
cxo: it can be built .....
redeeman: well not by default i think
cxo: why rely on the host? right
redeeman: gentoo has packages, as does debian
cxo: it needs root right?
cxo: i guess it could be patched.....
michaellarabel: for all info, I think it needs root
redeeman: well.. it runs fine without root
redeeman: i guess it just doesent show as much
redeeman: ah it only displays mobo info when run as root :|
cxo: has this stuff been tested on an selinux machine?
cxo: is it preempt-rt aware?
redeeman: and dmidecode definetly needs root
redeeman: so i guess hal is best
cxo: hey michaellarabel what other business do you run?
michaellarabel: Consulting services and then my other main project right now is described here: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS6101019273.html
cxo: linux consultancy? whats the name of the company?
michaellarabel: The consulting one? Just working as an independent contractor for some different firms.
Deanjo: redeeman, http://pastebin.com/m755283ad
Deanjo: there are the results with gmpbench
michaellarabel: Deanjo: should gmpbench be in PTS?
Deanjo: It wouldn't hurt
Deanjo: hmmm, gonna have to install Pathscale I think, GCC's stock optimizations for the phenom are lacking at the moment
Deanjo: michaellarabel, you around yet?
Deanjo: how do you make PTS use the download cache?
michaellarabel: it will automatically
michaellarabel: before downloading anything, it automatically checks to see if the file is in ~/.phoronix-test-suite/download-cache with the same file name and MD5
Deanjo: WTF http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10902&page=3 He just does useless posts to bump
cxo: i hate people who type in caps
cxo: its like they're fukin retarded or something
cxo: what do they think...we're gonna read it right away when we see it in caps?
cxo: its not a fukin road sign or something
Deanjo: maybe you should consider disabling to post sequential posts
Deanjo: that way he can only edit his last entry and the thread doesn't get bumped for useless reasons
michaellarabel: Deanjo: Yes, but he's the only one exploiting that... Some users may with valid intentions create one post after another, if posting a long log, etc.
Deanjo: then lock his threads, it's easy to miss a new thread because of his bumping
Deanjo: All that's been said has been said in those threads
Deanjo: You could really piss him off and blacklist words like "conspiracy" "jews" "Rieser" "Saboteurs" from the forums :D
Deanjo: have it auto substitute "rieser4" for "fat16" lol
Deanjo: Forums can be so much fun when you the admin :D
Deanjo: sweet, you can use the 8200 for physX support