Phoronix IRC Log: 2008-06-18
copper: they were probably doing coke at the time, that would account for their mood
Deanjo: lol, ah yes, the endless ego's of devels
Deanjo: That's a warmer greeting than you would have got from the mplayer devels lol
copper: worry not, I did get deflowered by them too
copper: damn it, it's time to shower already
Deanjo: I think they have to rank among the tops for arrogance
copper: fucking neighbours shouting every night until 2 AM
Deanjo: Get even, start playing bagpipes @ 5 am
copper: I wish
Deanjo: Well I got to head to bed. Talk to ya tomorrow
copper: it's already tomorrow :( 7 am here
Deanjo: 11 pm here
copper: I hope you sleep better than me
Deanjo: later , take care
maccam94: what, no firefox 3 article?
maccam94: @ michaellarabel
d2kx: good morning
starkmjolk: good morning :)
starkmjolk: I tried to write here before rejoining but the whole buffer was read only :P
drago01: already passed 5M
Kano: michaellarabel: hi, did you see that there is a 177.13 driver for newest nvidia cards?
Kano: not only open source support
Kano: also dont forget the download day ;)
masus: El_Angelo: thats for u. U are an i d i o t who can only kick irc users.
michaellarabel: Ugh, I think I am getting ready to block Jade...
Kano: michaellarabel: did you forget firefox 3 ;)
michaellarabel: Kano: No, I've just been out of the office the past three days, really busy.
vadi2: michaellarabel: did you get your linux confiscated by the airport security?
Kano: because i missed a firefox 3 download day message ;)
michaellarabel: vadi2: Security had searched through something else, I'll explain at a later date.
michaellarabel: Ivanovic: How's the hand?
Ivanovic: the splint is off again
Ivanovic: but this week i am very busy since my parents got their silver wedding...
vadi2: Hm. "ufw" is kinda hard to pronounce. "gufw" is even harder...
michaellarabel: Anyone run into any new PTS bugs?
vadi2: Yeah, the gui one. I'm working on a draft in glade though :)
michaellarabel: vadi2: Cool!
Kano: michaellarabel: you forgot to add: http://downloadcounter.sj.mozilla.com/
Kano: but i think dl day is over now ;)
vadi2: I think they extended it
vadi2: 'cause the website was down for the beginning of it.
athe: gotta love how the map shows 1 person downloaded ff3 in Chad
vadi2: I think Chile had 0 or 1 people too
athe: triggers a politically incorrect mental image
vadi2: hm, nope, chile has a few. must've mistaken for chad then
athe: i'd thought there would have been more downloads from china
vadi2: copper: http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=2563
d2kx: the catalyst 8.6 is out
michaellarabel: Not yet the release notes though
d2kx: ALTERNATE has just added three new AM2+ motherboards by DFI which look like 790FX/SB750... there were announced months ago with SB600 but were delayed until now, because they wanted the new SB750 it seems...
vadi2: michaellarabel: crazy idea, but I think it's possible to run a php-gtk off a web server, and have gtk display stuff in the client locally.
michaellarabel: What do you mean? The module needs to be loaded.
michaellarabel: If you mean by just fetching the code to be run, yes.
vadi2: ah. looks like so. nvm.
d2kx: catalyst 8.6 release notes are online
maligor: anything interesting?
d2kx: YUY2 for MythTV/TVtime
maligor: nice set of fixed
maligor: err.. fixes
maligor: some people might not like: "Desktop corruption may be noticed when dragging the overlay/video when using dual-display mode." :P
maligor: Clock Gating support looks interesting
vadi2: Anyone here disagree with http://vadisystems.com/gufw/ looking like a "software" website?
Kano: ati 8-6 still has got no 2.6.26 support. fine...
Kano: broken modelines as usual
d2kx: i can't find the stable kernel 2.6.26 on kernel.org :( so no problem for me :)
Kano: nvidia 173.14.09 + 177.13 has direct 2.6.26 support
d2kx: i prefer better hard- than better software... oh wait, getting kernel support late doesnt make software instantly bad ;)
Kano: no pointsprites with 8-6
Kano: just tested gl2benchmark
d2kx: make a PTS test which does gl2benchmark
d2kx: to make it easy for everyone (including AMD, i think michael said they use PTS, too) to test it out
d2kx: and to put some pressure on them... just a thought
copper: meh, I want an updated powernow driver first, please
Exopaladin: I want to be able to compile wine that doesn't screw up when I try to start games in steam :/
michaellarabel: Anyone been experiencing odd behavior with Firefox 3?
copper: I want a million dollars and Jessica Alba
copper: michaellarabel: such as?
maccam94: michaellarabel: what kind of odd behavior?
michaellarabel: I just upgraded in Ubuntu earlier and now there are zero tabs present even when I go to add a new tab no tab shows up. I type in any URL, and the status bar shows the page loads but the page will remain white.
copper: not here
maccam94: can't say i've had issues like that
d2kx: doesnt happen for me
Exopaladin: I'd still love to know why wine I compile works fine for everything I try except steam, plus if I extract a wine .dpkg and shove it somewhere it works :/
michaellarabel: yeah, it's quite odd. It worked fine for a few minutes.
copper: I made a profiled build of FF3 btw: http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Building_with_Profile-Guided_Optimization
copper: rather nice
d2kx: good time to start a distribution-war
copper: Ubuntu sucks
copper: (that's my argument)
Exopaladin: these days I have no real preference on distro, they all seem to annoy me in one way or another, it's just a case of picking the one that currently annoys me the least :P
yjwong: has anyone tried Catalyst 8.6 yet?
maccam94: i like gentoo, because it's challenging, but not too challenging, and it doesn't break in mysterious ways when i abuse it.
copper: Exopaladin: damn straight
Exopaladin: I still like gentoo, but it's just not on par like it used to be when drobbins was still running the show
maccam94: yeah it seems to have slowed down in terms of releases :-(
d2kx: i personally dont like it, but opensuse 11 is coming by tomorrow
copper: shhh, you're going to wake up Deanjo
d2kx: it *could* have been a great distro if it was released after kde 4.1
copper: gotta release sometime
Exopaladin: can't just keep waiting for new releases of stuff when you're making a linux distro, you'd be permanently waiting :P
copper: I don't really see what the fuss is about with KDE4
d2kx: i am wondering if ubuntu intrepid will get kernel 2.6.26 or 2.6.27...
d2kx: KDE 4.1 rocks
Exopaladin: me either, in the current state I prefer KDE3
d2kx: much better than 4.0.x
copper: KDE4 is rather slow on my system btw (seems the nvidia driver has issues with Qt4 too)
maligor: d2kx, yeah, it's pretty decent
d2kx: Kubuntu Intrepid *could* turn out to be a nice distro, the first nice Kubuntu there will ever be
maligor: just a bit buggy still, but hopefully they'll iron out the worst for release
d2kx: make sure you write KDE 4.0 or 4.1, KDE4 doesnt mean anything
Exopaladin: ubuntu and I never seem to get on very well, or at least not since the early versions
maligor: and they should ditch the stupid desktop icon == plasma widget idea :P
Exopaladin: yeah, that's rather annoying
maccam94: Exopaladin: yeah 7.10 was pretty good, i haven't decided on 8.04 yet. it's got some good features, but it doesn't seem as stable
maligor: either remove it or fix it
Exopaladin: the last version I had work flawlessly for me was probably 6.06
copper: d2kx: fanboy, I don't buy into the "KDE4 != KDE 4.0" excuse
d2kx: what excuse?
d2kx: KDE 4.0 is a desktop made for developers
copper: I just said it
d2kx: KDE 4.1 is a huge improvement
maccam94: 6.06 was good, but wireless was still bad. 6.10 was fun to play with but not very, idk, clean.
copper: same difference
copper: it's still KDE Vista
drago01: michaellarabel: works fine for me on fedora 9....
maligor: yeh, most things work in kde 4.1
maccam94: 7.04 was a big step forward, and 7.10 was 7.04 but better
copper: KDE 4.1 is like KDE Vista SP1
maccam94: 8.04 has a lot of new goodies, but it doesn't seem to run as well
d2kx: copper: Gnome 2 sucks. You can see that on any Debian Sarge Screenshot with Gnome 2.8!
copper: I don't like Gnome
Exopaladin: dunno, I don't use wifi on this box anyway
Exopaladin: I sit about 3 feet from the router, so it'd be pretty redundant :P
Kano32: Host/Kernel/OS "Kanotix" running Linux 2.6.26-2-generic i686 [ KANOTIX 2007 Thorhammer ]
Kano32: CPU Info (1) Intel Core2 6600 @ clocked at [ 1600.000 MHz ]
Kano32: (2) Intel Core2 6600 @ clocked at [ 1600.000 MHz ]
Kano32: Videocard ATI RV410 [Radeon X700] X.Org 7.1.1 [ 1600x1200 @75hz ]
Kano32: Processes 158 | Uptime 25min | Memory 187.2/2023.4MB | HDD Size 760GB (13%used) | GLX Renderer RADEON X700/X550 Series | GLX Version 2.1.7659 Release | Client Konversation 1.0.1 | Infobash v2.67.1
Kano32: so my script supports 2.6.26 with 8-5 AND 8-6 now...
maccam94: that's a slow 6600...
Kano32: that is speedstep
Exopaladin: I should set that up somewhen, I never really get around to it
maccam94: ah yeah come to think of it i don't know the speeds for it
Kano32: CPU[Dual Intel Core2 6600 @ clocked at 2400.000 Mhz] Kernel[Linux 2.6.26-2-generic i686] Up[-27min-] Mem[-194.1/2023.4MB-] HDD[-760GB(13%used)-] Procs[-157-] Client[Konversation 1.0.1]
maccam94: full is 2.4
Kano32: thats full
copper: Kano32: any reason in particular you're running a 32-bit kernel?
Kano: because my distro is 32 bit only. no issues with java + firefox there
copper: for compatibility's sake then?
vadi2: that's silly, there are scripts that set flash and java up now :/
Exopaladin: currently I'm running x86_64 but keep 32bit FF/java
Kano: there is java for 64 bit, you you can not play games on http://spin.de
Kano: thats my java test
copper: It annoys me when people try to use the World Wide Web for something other than webpages
copper: just download teh damn games, no need to run them from within the web browser
Kano: thats a chat environment, you can play games against others too
copper: my point exactly
Exopaladin: the main thing I can't believe is that after 5 years or so there's still no 64bit java browser plugin :/
Kano: the unofficial ones just dont work
copper: what's next, Photoshop Web 2.0 Edition?
d2kx: i have to agree a bit with copper here
copper: Minimum requirements: Core 4 Octocore, 4+ GHz
Kano: copper: there is already photoshop for flash
Kano: check this out
copper: why would I want to that in a web browser?
copper: Where's the need?
Kano: its free
copper: What's the point?
Kano: works everywhere
Exopaladin: I don't really get the obsession with webapps either :/
copper: what are operating systems for then? What is software for?
Kano: thats a flash app
copper: Why would I want to run an app in a web browser, with twice the requirements in processor speed and memory?
d2kx: instead of doing this they just could have ported photoshop to linux, pc & mac already have the apps so no need for that web thing
Kano: i think this flash app is really nice, you can store your pics online too and share with others
copper: Then again, this comes from the company that ships a 100+ MB PDF viewer
Kano: direct editing, no need to install gfx edit apps, just do it online
Exopaladin: it's reasonably CPU/memory intensive considering it's just a cut down version of photoshop
copper: what kind of argument is that?
Kano: you can do that anywhere, in an internet cafe too
copper: double-click the .exe, click OK a few times and you're done. Your app will run 10x better than any web app.
copper: Internet cafes suck, in case you didn't notice
copper: small space, no smoking allowed, and most of all, crappy hardware
Kano: i dont own a laptop, therefore i have to use em
copper: So, you're basically running a grossly under-optimized app on a piss-poor PC
copper: talk about adding insult to injury…
Exopaladin: realistically it'll probably run better/take less resources on windows, being that linux flash has always lagged behind :/
Kano: try it yourself,it isnot slow
copper: no need, The Gimp runs fine, thank you
Exopaladin: it's slower than using digikam or some such on my PC to quickly deal with pics
copper: (Photoshop on windows too, for that matter)
d2kx: Kano: it is slow when your local internet cafe has crappy systems and old internet browsers
d2kx: forget that word
Kano: you only need new flash
Kano: thats usually default
copper: you think internet cafes spend a thousand bucks per PC?
d2kx: i was in the netherlands to years ago and we went to an internet cafe there which had windows 95 and the internet explorer 5
copper: anyway, if you want compatibility, use Java or something (but not in a browser damn it, it's utterly pointless)
d2kx: it's a waste of time i tell ya
Kano: then try it there
Kano: copper: nspluginwrapper lets even flash work with 64 bit
copper: I don't know why you're telling me that?
copper: Do you work for Adobe's marketting department or something?
copper: I don't need nor want flash!
copper: What's with the web browser obsession, seriously
Exopaladin: trying to move people to thin clients I guess
copper: Somebody drank the Web 2.0 kool-aid
copper: thin clients have little to do with just a web browser
copper: It's as if people wanted to do everything in, say, a word processor
copper: (did I hear emacs?)
copper: use the tools that are appropriate to the task at hand, for crying out loud
copper: I don't use my music player to chat on IRC, do I
copper: oh, wait, some people use their BitTorrent client for that…
copper: bangs his head against the wall
copper: Oh! Oh! I know! Let's use Photoshop to write books!
Exopaladin: the primary thing I hate about browser apps it that browsers aren't all that stable (especially flash + linux)
copper: One thing that really bugs me is those news websites that gave into to whole Web 2.0 hype and put videos and audio interviews in their articles without providing transcripts
copper: If I want to listen to the news, I turn on the radio. If I want to watch the news, I turn on the TV. When I go on the World Wide Effing Web, I want to *read*, kthxbai
copper: haha http://arstechnica.com/journals/linux.ars/2008/06/17/the-cake-is-a-lie-ie-team-bakes-a-treat-for-mozilla
Deanjo: Don't you just love when you find a bug and report it and then three different development groups point at who should fix it in what project.
athe: story of my life :)
Deanjo: Ya well at least they are all CC'd on it now and they can duke it out :P
Deanjo: There are ways of fixing the issue I reported, they just now have to figure out what is the cleanest solution
athe: it will probably come down to what takes less time ;)
Deanjo: ROFTL http://www.doingitwrong.com/wrong/3110_03.jpg
copper: lol, wtf
Deanjo: Somebody knows their geography
Ivanovic: Deanjo: OLD!
Deanjo: IDK just got the link in a email
Ivanovic: but this one is great, the possibility of a DoS attack against a coffee machine (just make it *really* weak coffee): http://www.securityfocus.com/archive/1/493387
copper: People still email crap?
Deanjo: Would that be a "java" exploit?
Ivanovic: Deanjo: not necessarily
Ivanovic: could be the "columbian connections" fault, too...
Ivanovic: time for me to get some sleep
Deanjo: It's just the Coffee Cartel's way of taking of the net. CONSPIRACY!!!!
Deanjo: *taking over
copper: ponders whether recompiling audio codecs with GCC 4.3.1 (from GCC 4.3.0) makes any sense
Ivanovic: copper: emerge -e world does the job nicely...
Deanjo: well copper it probably would benefit more if the Framewave libraries were used
copper: teh what?
copper: tell that to the developers, not me
Deanjo: There is also some good reads here http://developer.amd.com/cpu/gnu/Pages/default.aspx
Shahid: gcc 4.2 mainline?
Deanjo: they have optimized gcc builds for the AMD's there
Shahid: optimised to run better? or make better code ;)
Shahid: shame AMD cant make 45nm chips yet
Shahid: my cpu is fanless and i'm loving it very much
athe: the coffee machine exploit is so the sign of our times :)
copper: LAME's VBR encoding is much faster in 3.98b8 than in 3.97 (19 seconds vs. 28)
copper: I tested lame --preset fast standard --noreplaygain pts-trondheim-3.wav /dev/null
copper: Deanjo: those are fuckin' RPMs btw, what's up with THAT
Deanjo: Superior package format I suppose copper
maccam94: well AMD's all open source
maccam94: those packages should be .tar.bz2
Deanjo: what does opensource have to do with packaging?
Deanjo: what does opensource have to do with packaging?
Deanjo: Sorry pinged out, so why would opensource have to be tar.gz?
vadi2: so it would be especially hard to install!
vadi2: Lol. Not everyone agree's with Firefox being 100% Organic: "I don't understand the use of "organic" as Mozilla's marketing page does. I'm an organic farmer and there is no similarity. If I could just run my computer by the heat generated by my compost pile... "
Deanjo: Well, crap is organic........
m-c: people having parties and eating cake for the FF3 release is organic, tho! ;)
Deanjo: After suffering with FF2 for so long it's no wonder they are celebrating
vadi2: grr. I think ubuntu didn't fix the user agent string on ff3 final release. it still simply reports "linux", screwing over all already screwed web statistics.
Deanjo: lol I switch it to IE identification anyways
maccam94: Deanjo: as in getting the plain source files instead of binaries
Deanjo: Source rpms are there as well
redeeman: why would you have it user IE useragent?
redeeman: don't do that shit
Deanjo: Because sites that use Flash or Silverlight will bitch otherwise when trying to play their media content
redeeman: so.... don't bow down to people that don't want you to visit their site?
redeeman: now you are just saying: "Thank you sir, may i have another?"
vadi2: hm never had a problem with flash..
vadi2: can't say about silverlight. monolight doesn't have .debs yet X(
Deanjo: I like my sports highlights and streaming games thank you.
redeeman: i like my freedoms intact
redeeman: i guess we all have different priorities
vadi2: there was a story on digg some time ago.
vadi2: they managed to make a nice (keyword) petition and the website owners fixed the exclusion.
Deanjo: I've ran across quite a few, especially any of them that broadcast live
redeeman: i never have problems with flash....
redeeman: which is because i don't use the shit
vadi2: ah. sucks
Deanjo: My local football teams home games for example are blacked out on tv, but I can catch the live stream from the sports channel website.
michaellarabel: m-c: Hi
m-c: hiya michaellarabel
Deanjo: Back from the strip searches @ the airport michaellarabel ?
michaellarabel: Have you talked with Mario yet?
m-c: no not yet
m-c: checking with him now
vadi2: the voodoo envy notebook apparently ships splashtop
vadi2: they use it for skype and a browser
vadi2: 'HP has also joined Asus in licensing the embedded Linux-based Splashtop ‘instant on’ OS so you can browse the Web and make Skype calls without having to wait for Windows Vista to get its Aero glass arse into gear.'
Deanjo: Ya I want to see that start being used for more useful applications
vadi2: Lol. The bar graph o that site is pretty nice too
vadi2: What's the best OS? Ubuntu: 18%, OSX, 18%, Vista, 15%, DOS: 9%
vadi2: err xp 28% first
Deanjo: pffft no TRS-DOS?
Deanjo: Where the hell is OS/2
michaellarabel: oh shit
vadi2: michael does not usually say that..
Deanjo: cuts and pastes the evidence
michaellarabel: slight problem... but good news for you guys.
vadi2: what is it
m-c: michaellarabel: please join #ubuntu-motu
Deanjo: just realized it's bonus paychecks this Friday. NEW TOYS!!! w00t!!!!!
michaellarabel: Tomorrow morning at about 9AM EST will be a Q&A in #phoronix about a topic to be disclosed then, so be sure to join in :)
Deanjo: Sweet I have the day off
Deanjo: Can't wait for AMD to annouce their new 32-core phenom :P
michaellarabel: It's a huge breakthrough :)
vadi2: m-c: let me know if you figure out the debian part of packaging. I'd like an app packaged in ubuntu too, but it's been sitting in launchpad for over half a year now
Deanjo: vadi2, how many times do I have to tell you, Clippy from MS office cannot deb'd
vadi2: r u shure
Deanjo: Bonzai Buddy told me so
Deanjo: thinks Gnome needs an animated dog for their search.
vadi2: -_- i'm gonna murder the xpenguins on your screen.
vadi2: noo, I like the foot
Deanjo: You know if HL2 is ever ported over to linux, people are going to read too much into that garden gnome in it
vadi2: So what do you guys think the "huge breakthrough with a slight problem" that'll get annonced in 12 hours will be
vadi2: I hope it's ut3 or something with a small hitch
Exopaladin: "You must cut off your left foot and send it to them to get the client"
Deanjo: Maybe we will be lucky and AMD will announce .45nm cores
Deanjo: "Tomorrow morning at about 9AM EST" damn that means no sleeping in on my days off
Exopaladin: I however can sleep until 2pm and still catch the discussion
Deanjo: Ya well I can't sleep while the sun is up anyways
Deanjo: It rises @ 4:45 this time of year for me
Exopaladin: 4:52 here
michaellarabel: PTS 1.0.1 is being tagged immediately now... hope no last minute bugs.
Deanjo: I had a few in the forums
michaellarabel: Hopefully uncle_fungus will look at that, he was the one that made the last GtkPerf patch
Deanjo: It doesn't seem to follow any particular distro
vadi2: I usually wake up at 8am, so I'll have plenty of time to prepare before the annoucement
Deanjo: The warsow bug is weird too
Deanjo: But it looks like universe-cli is now working
Exopaladin: bah, opensuse 11 needs to come out already
Deanjo: lol 12 more hours
Deanjo: Actually has been available on pirate bay for a few days now
Exopaladin: hm, could actually just install the RC1 CD I downloaded but never used and then update that
Deanjo: You downloaded the DVD?
Exopaladin: nein, KDE4 installable live CD
Deanjo: http://news.cnet.com/8301-10789_3-9972207-57.html <--- Critical vulns already appearing in FF3
Exopaladin: heh, nice
Deanjo: Two criticals actually now
vadi2: oh noes
vadi2: apple got a vunerability thing too btw!
vadi2: sucks that it requires physical access to the machine :/
vadi2: might be perfect for hacking all those uni macs though. heheh.
Deanjo: That's the problem with people not trying out things like release candidates and always waiting for "stables"
Deanjo: It shrinks down your test size
vadi2: not really, ff3b5 was tested by every ubuntu 8.04 installation involuntarily -_-
maccam94: vadi2: well ubuntu 8.04 was a voluntary installation was it not
vadi2: yeah, can't complain.
Deanjo: So in case some of you haven't heard Apple gave me a choice tonight, move or start looking for another job.
Shahid: do they give you a new house?
Deanjo: No but they are willing to pay handsomely for the relocation and give me a 05 mortgage