Phoronix IRC Log: 2008-06-15
dante_2core: meh @ recon
dante_2core: glad I got my reauth script
copper: WavPack 4.50 is out http://www.wavpack.com/downloads.html
GNU\colossus: does anyone in here know how to contact LGP's (Linux Game Publishing) technical staff?
GNU\colossus: I've found a potentially sever bug on their webpage they should now about
vadi2: Their guy is regularly on the forum
bahadunn: email@example.com might be good
GNU\colossus: bahadunn: i already dispatched a mail to the address listed on their whois record
bahadunn: okay good
GNU\colossus: however, I do know how people tend to take care of those well-known email aliases
bahadunn: it is always nice to have a report in writing
GNU\colossus: hope it gets through :)
bahadunn: GNU\colossus: if they follow RFC compliance they do
GNU\colossus: that's a pretty big if sometimes, sadly :)
bahadunn: GNU\colossus: it is not a sure thing though like you say
bahadunn: unfortunate but true
m-c: hey again - ended up buying an ATI HD 3650 yesterday. Could not find any R500s, as recommended. Must be a little past their prime, to find them in best buy.
m-c: Think this one will suit me okay? Was just $100, so figured it was worth a shot. Getting an explanation of the card models in this chat channel yesterday was a big help. As was wikipedia.
vadi2: Yep looks good, I think michael said that card is similar to my 8600gt
vadi2: Which runs etqw on all settings set to highest
m-c: Anyway, just wondering if anyone here has dual monitors working, on ATI. Seems like there are a couple different ways to go about doing it, both with closed and open source drivers.
m-c: vadi2: Good to hear.
m-c: Any recommendations?
maligor: on what?
vadi2: Dual monitors with ATI
m-c: yes, thanks! ;)
maligor: you could try the amd control panel display manager first?
maligor: if it's fglrx you're running
m-c: I'll check if that's a package! :-)
maligor: hmm.. or catalyst control center it seems to claim to be
vadi2: From what I get you can use Xrandr
vadi2: judging by this post: http://blog.qa.ubuntu.com/node/9
maligor: I don't think fglrx support that
m-c: What are the open source vs. binary blob drivers called? fglrx is the blob?
maligor: radeon and radeonhd are opensource drivers
m-c: has to learn new the new vocabulary.
maligor: the radeon driver might also be called ati
m-c: Great. I plan on switching to the open source drivers soon, but first I'll get it up and running on the best working solution, at least for now.
maligor: if you want 3d, fglrx
maligor: (or anything else for the matter)
maligor: like video overlays or accelerated 2d
m-c: I was planning on making the switch to open source AMD graphic cards at the end of the year, based on the reports I was hearing from Phoronix.
m-c: Yeah, might as well have me some 3D. ;)
maligor: yeah, maybe
maligor: end of the year might have basic functionality
m-c: This quad processor is beefy! Nice to have one application tap it for 100% CPU and still have the rest of the system completely responsive.
m-c: Nice job kernel team. ;)
maligor: probably biggest issue with writing a driver for the new series cards is that they don't have 2d acceleration
maligor: they use the 3d engine for it
maligor: so they'll have to do 3d first I guess
Exopaladin: I'm more thinking a year or so to get equal performance/support to the binary drivers
maligor: Exopaladin, heh, I'd say a lot more than a year
Exopaladin: it depends how many people get interested in helping and how much/how quickly ATI release everything I'd have thought
m-c: Good we can at least agree that it will be on-par at some point.
maligor: yeah, without the nda, it might be faster
maligor: they're cool platforms too
maligor: like the brook+ compiler
Exopaladin: I'm waiting for nvidia to release some newer drivers that support CUDA so I can play with that
maligor: bit of a shame brook+ is under MIT style, the advertisement clause
maligor: I tried replacing blender matrix ops with brook+ matrix ops, it was slower.. probably the latency, was fun tho :P
maligor: 4x4 matrix multiplication isn't that consuming anyway
maligor: and I was rather surprised it worked so easily
m-c: I see -- the control panel is packaged as fglrx-control in Ubuntu.
redeeman: anyone here using fglrx on 3450?
copper: Exopaladin: current nvidia drivers support CUDA
Exopaladin: ah, didn't know that, I assumed you had to use the specific ones from the CUDA download page
copper: Are those gtkperf results right? http://global.phoronix-test-suite.com/index.php?k=profile&u=d2kx-10046-8436-23452
HM: copper : looks like the radeon drivers are pretty good for 2D then?
copper: too good to be true
copper: compare to this: http://global.phoronix-test-suite.com/index.php?k=profile&u=d2kx-20336-24450-10818
vadi2: did you sell all the tests?
copper: same configuration, the guy goes from 370 seconds to 22 seconds, can't be right
copper: vadi2: what do you mean?
vadi2: Like, it spamming the buttons / adding text / scrolling / drawing
copper: what "it"?
copper: and what do you mean, "sell"?
copper: Those are complete gtkperf benchmarks, i.e. the "Total time" option of the benchmark that runs all tests in a single run.
copper: Deanjo: you around?
Deanjo: What about it?
copper: xine's gapless playback implementation is still flawed, as I suspected
copper: which means amarok's too
Deanjo: Hey man what can I say, even with my sennheiser cans on I get no clicks or pops
Deanjo: and amarok isn't limited to the xine engine.
copper: afaik xine is the only engine available to amarok that provides gapless playback (allegedly)
copper: Deanjo: what version of xinelib do you have?
Deanjo: It can also use gstreamer and realplayer
vadi2: copper: I meant "see" my bad
copper: gawd this is so frustrating
vadi2: what're you doing?
copper: trying to figure out if something's wrong with my setup or if Deanjo is deaf
Deanjo: lol doubtful, I can accurately pick out DAC's in blind AB tests
copper: maybe you're not playing the same format (I'm playing FLACs)
Deanjo: All of my collection is flac
copper: everything is always working just fine for you, isn't it?
Deanjo: What can I say, I pick my components and os / app selections carefully
copper: well I know my hardware AND my drivers are fine, since moc is really gapless
copper: What does that leave? I have the same version of xine-lib.
Deanjo: And what is xine using for a output for you? Alsa/OSS/Jack/arts/esd?
copper: The reason I'm so skeptical is that too many times, people have been prompt to claim "works fine for me", and after hours of arguing and testing, they finally admit "ah, right, it doesn't really work like I thought"
copper: alsa, as far as I can tell
Deanjo: maybe that's the difference, I output to jack
copper: jack shouldn't be required for gapless playback
copper: but yeah, that could be it
Deanjo: I run jack so I can output it as a AC-3 stream
copper: doesn't ALSA have a plugin for that?
Deanjo: It has a decoder plugin
Deanjo: copper, do you have OSD enabled in amarok?
copper: I don't run amarok
Deanjo: Ahh, I see people have issues with xine-lib and gapless when OSD is enabled
copper: that's retarded
copper: I just compiled xine-lib-1.1.13 myself, the problem remains
copper: gapless playback was fucked up months/years ago, it's still fucked up today
vadi2: OK, I figured out what was that weird sound that kept playing. It was an alarm clock applet.
Deanjo: Well at least it wasn't voices in your head
vadi2: Yeah, because the sound playing does sound like weird voices whispering.
Deanjo: "Doc, my computer talks to me"
Deanjo: Straight to the loony bin
Deanjo: "I see dead CPU's"