copper: morning
ronybeck: afternoon
copper: I don't think my neighbours from across the street realize I can see them take their shower
copper: Have they ever heard of blinds?
Shahid: they want you to film them
Shahid: and post it on the internet
Klavious: lol
ronybeck: copper, now are they female and good looking? :-D
copper: it's a couple, and I didn't take my goggles
copper: a STRAIGHT couple you naughty peeps, not a lesbian couple
copper: I'd be all over them otherwise
mhymn: hi everybody
Ivanovic: hi mhymn
Riotta: hi
ronybeck: hi
copper: hai
tx2rx: ello
Riotta: hiho
copper: Jade just got pwnt
copper: http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showpost.php?p=35124&postcount=116
copper: Opera 9.50 stable released http://www.opera.com/download/
copper: woah, it's got a brand new GUI
GNU\colossus: and it's still proprietary. wheow.
copper: integrist
GNU\colossus: and the statically linked tar.gz file contains a broken installer
PinTail_b: OK, OK, I've been reading the phoronix forums for a few years now, trying to keep up with Linux ATI development. One thing really bothers me. It seems very difficult to discover the current state of support for various ATI video (and probably other) cards I have an X1300 card which locks up randomly using ATIs own driver. Conflicting information indicates this is a bug in the Linux kernel code for MMU management,
Naib: if it was a bug in the kernel, it would of been fixed by now
PinTail_b: well, there's plenty of kernel bugs that have been around for years, that are unfixed
copper: http://www12.tomshardware.com/images/banner/gigabyte/728x90-eng.gif
PinTail_b: you can't write that much code without having bugs lurking
Naib: lurking is one thing BUT if something like the ATi drivers are failing due it this so called "bug" it would be identified
Naib: unless it was in the blob
PinTail_b: I mostly agree with you BTW
PinTail_b: but there was a recent release which fixed an mmu bug which had been present for a very long time
PinTail_b: long as in 1+ years - I think
GNU\colossus: bottom line: don't use proprietary drivers
PinTail_b: yeah, well, that was another thing - that I was going to get to - what is the state of the *free* ATI drivers
PinTail_b: I mean, can they run the 3D desktop. I have gotten used to the cube !
HM: grumbles
HM: Curse you X.org! Ruining my 200 day uptime!
copper: GNU\colossus: bottom line, don't play games, not even the Free ones?
HM: ;)
HM: j/k j/k
GNU\colossus: copper: I used to competitively play rocket arena for q3a on a radeon 8500 with free drivers
GNU\colossus: (up to the clanbase 2nd div finals, actually)
copper: which means, 35FPS at 800x600?
GNU\colossus: nah, about 150fps @ 800x600
GNU\colossus: avg though, not min
copper: I doubt the nv driver would give me a half decent framerate at 1680x1024
PinTail_b: That sucks, I get about 350 FPS @ 1280x1024 on an ATI X1300
GNU\colossus: copper: nv can't do GLX and DRI
GNU\colossus: because nvidia cripples it on purpose
copper: and that's just for Quake 3, nevermind UT2004 and *gasp* recent games
ronybeck: so do the free ATI drivers still suck?
GNU\colossus: ronybeck: no, they don't
PinTail_b: well, they crash randomly
PinTail_b: at least mine does
GNU\colossus: that's more of fglrx's domain
copper: GNU\colossus: I bet I get better performance with my closed-source driver than you do with your Free driver
GNU\colossus: copper: yeah, you do
copper: So why would I not use the closed-source driver?
GNU\colossus: there are a number of reasons, which you'll find when googling around
GNU\colossus: my time's too precious to argue such things, sorry ;)
Naib: and a number to not...
ronybeck: Sounds like the free drivers don't perform too good
Naib: and the core one is... close-source drivers give better performance
ronybeck: I used them about 6 months ago and they sucked compared to closed source ones. And that is scary
copper: GNU\colossus: oh, so you start a troll, but you aren't willing to see it through?
Naib: hehe
ronybeck: hehe
Naib: zeolots are fun
GNU\colossus: no, I'm not trolling. I'm voicing my opinion.
GNU\colossus: my hostname's zealot. watch it.
GNU\colossus: ;P
HM: Once nouveau beats NVIDIA *everywhere* except 3D, things will be different
copper: You suck. Just my personal opinion though.
vadi2: does anyone here troll ubuntu's brainstorm?
GNU\colossus: you also get better 3d performance on windows
GNU\colossus: have fun in wintendo-land
copper: GNU\colossus: if it works, I couldn't care less
GNU\colossus: copper: it's ok, you don't need to freak and go ad-hominem instantly
Naib: <3 irc
copper: it was sarcastic
GNU\colossus: I don't care
copper: stating an opinion without backing it up is pointless
vadi2: didn't matthew garett say that open-source drivers fail to suspend/hibernate? heh
copper: unless you're on a date and you're talking about your likes and dislikes
tx2rx: hrm, when you have a stupidly fast graphics card, what is 10% in lack of performance ?
vadi2: he was ranting quite a lot about that, and when I asked why mine was working fine, he said it's because I'm using nvidia's
copper: tx2rx: 10%? try 50-80%
Naib: tx2rx: probably £50
Naib: tx2rx: why buy a card that cannot be exploited fully
tx2rx: copper: hrm, I should really have started with a disclaimer that I've not tried them ;-)
GNU\colossus: it's just a matter of what matters more to you, personally
copper: GNU\colossus: I assume you don't own a TV, a DVD deck, a video console, a washing machine…
PinTail_b: well, at least you weren't as dumb as I was - I ordered a machine with an onboard NVidia graphic chip, then ordered an ATI videa card - the specs on the two are pretty much identical. waste of money
GNU\colossus: I don't care about gaming performance any more (I'm a grown-up now, you see ;)), and I don't want secretish kernel-mode stuff going on on my box
PinTail_b: anyone want to buy a x1300 ATI card - still warm
vadi2: nope, got a built-in 8600gt in my laptop :)
copper: got a crippled 8600GT myself
ronybeck: PinTail_b, thanks but I have a Matrox paper weight already
vadi2: why'd yours get crippled?
tx2rx: copper: ditto, you seeing crappy 2D performance ?
copper: DDR2 ram instead of GDDR3
vadi2: eh?
copper: tx2rx: yeah
GNU\colossus: copper: actually, my "TV" is a GNU/Linux powered PC with two DVB-{S,T}-receiver cards; my "gaming console" is a GP2X (running embedded Linux), and my wachsing machine... don't know, never tried programming it
GNU\colossus: washing*
vadi2: ownt
Naib: it will be a PIC
copper: GNU\colossus: get rid of your washing machine, quick, it's closed-source
Naib: maybe an ASIC
PinTail_b: .... My fridge is dog powered. He can retrieve me a cold brew on command !
GNU\colossus: copper: your trolling isn't effective here, sorry to disappoint
copper: vadi2: it's a mix between a 8600GT and a 8600GSO: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Nvidia_graphics_processing_units#GeForce_8_series
GNU\colossus: neither is your supposed "point" a valid argument
copper: GS*
tx2rx: hrm, has anyone here tried linux bios ?
PinTail_b: and the great thing is, he even smiles when he brings it to me, unlike my wife
ronybeck: I support copper's points
ronybeck: so they are valid
vadi2: copper: what do you mean, a mix. so 8600gts?
copper: GNU\colossus: oh, and don't use ATMs, they're closed source (and they run Windows!)
GNU\colossus: copper: not all ATM's over here are windows based
GNU\colossus: I believe most run OS/2
ronybeck: GNU\colossus, most? What percentage
tx2rx: copper: if you follow that mentallity you wouldn't use a bank with all their UNIX based mainframes...
copper: vadi2: nah, it's a 8600GT with a higher GPU frequency but DDR2 RAM instead of GDDR3. Gigabyte still calls it a 8600GT though.
copper: I didn't pay enough attention when I bought it.
ronybeck: GNU\colossus, Where do you source your stats on ATM OSs?
tx2rx: GNU\colossus: alas, most (UK) now run windows embedded :(
vadi2: oh.
vadi2: how much ram does your card have?
copper: 512
vadi2: mine too. but I heard the card can't use all of it because of some limitation..
Shahid: i saw a HSBC atm boot and i forgot if it was windows or not
copper: it runs at 400MT/s though (vs. 800MT/s for my system RAM)
GNU\colossus: ronybeck: I know the controlling it manager of Raiffeisen Oesterreich
ronybeck: GNU\colossus, that doesn't mean shit
copper: GNU\colossus: stop talking, you don't have time for that
GNU\colossus: why are there so many fucktwats on this channel?
ronybeck: GNU\colossus, I knew an mechanic. I don't know shit about cards
vadi2: um, chill people
ronybeck: cars even
GNU\colossus: ignore list updated, problem solved.
Shahid: there will be an oil crisis in 2012, how come everyone is still calm?
ronybeck: hahah
copper: I think GNU\colossus' nick is compensating for something.
Shahid: i'm worried
jOin3r: copper: does that count to one of your "points"?
vadi2: idk, but that mentality is not healthy
copper: Shahid: I don't drive cars. I hate cars. I'm rejoicing to the thought of transatlantic boats making a comeback.
Shahid: i'll be happy there will be no more airplanes :)
Shahid: man, i hate airports
copper: Shahid: arriving to New York City by the sea must be amazing.
copper: oh yeah, no more full body scans.
Shahid: i'll never fly again after last time
copper: Did they peg you as a Terrorisss?
Shahid: no lol
Shahid: i stay away from America
Shahid: dangerous place
copper: Next time I take the plane, I'll be wearing a T-shirt that says "THEY SET US UP THE BOMB"
copper: or, "PROBE THIS"
bahadunn: hey
bahadunn: those full body scans
bahadunn: they use x-rays?
Shahid: be careful, some girl in the UK was asked if she had a bomb and sarcastically said yes
copper: nah, worse than that
Shahid: it did not end well
copper: it stops at the skin
copper: it basically takes a picture of your entire body naked
bahadunn: is there any exposure to radiation?
Shahid: some sony cameras can do that too
copper: But fear not! They erase the pics immediately! Promise!
bahadunn: right
bahadunn: sure they do
Shahid: nope it works with visible light or close to that spectrum
bahadunn: so it is safe?
lord-carlos: Hi
michaellarabel: bahadunn: The technology is supposed to be safe
Shahid: you can mod a sony cam to take these pics anyway
bahadunn: oh okay
bahadunn: still though
bahadunn: taking a picture of my wife naked is cause for a fight
Shahid: many voyers have guides how to make them
bahadunn: perverts
copper: Bend over please, for your own safety M'am.
Shahid: wear black pants
lord-carlos: My debian freezes when i run some openGL apps. I think its the ATI driver. Some one know where to get a older version of the AMD ATI driver?
vadi2: envy
Shahid: upgrade to ubuntu
copper: I don't even know what kind of authority TSA agents have.
PetoKraus: that;s not an upgrade
Shahid: lol
vadi2: yeah ubuntu is a pretty bad game, it'll erase all your email
copper: PetoKraus: any relation to Peter Krause?
PetoKraus: no
Shahid: even my hardcore debian fanatic friends are moving or have moved
PetoKraus: fortunately
copper: why, I love that actor
PetoKraus: :)
Shahid: I moved to LFS, but found archlinux in 2006 :)
copper: same here
copper: used LFS for years, switched to Arch Linux yesterday
PetoKraus: gentoo
GNU\colossus: arch failed way too often for me
copper: you probably use Debian
Shahid: i dont know about today, but years ago gentoo was a mess
vadi2: i'm too human to use arch.
GNU\colossus: unbootable kernel images and the installer fscking up the bootloader
GNU\colossus: I'm using gentoo whenever I have the choice
GNU\colossus: not with portage, though
GNU\colossus: but with paludis
copper: paludis?
copper: lol, who chose that name
PetoKraus: i considered switching to paludis as well
PetoKraus: but too much hassle
PetoKraus: i'll switch when exherbo will be ready
copper: Pludisme means malaria in french
vadi2: is that the hot-swapping thing?
Shahid: simple is better :)
copper: Paludisme*
vadi2: the exherbo
GNU\colossus: PetoKraus: making the switch is a breeze, actually
GNU\colossus: there's a script, porting your config files automagically
GNU\colossus: worked well for me when I did it
HM: gentoo can be depressing
HM: you see things like this
HM: warning: array subscript is above array bounds
HM: and wonder how any software works at all
GNU\colossus: it works quite well for me since 2002, actually :)
bahadunn: gentoo can be fun too though
bahadunn: ever see the gentoo is rice site?
PetoKraus: well i think gentoo is more stable than deb-based distro's
PetoKraus: if you don't do stupid things
HM: it can be frustrating but gentoo doesn't generally make you go around the hills to get things done the way you want
Naib: yer
Naib: <3 gentoo
mha: Naib: or not.
HM: <3 eselect opengl
Naib: o.O mha why don't I <3 gentoo
mha: Naib: I don't think it's <3'able
HM: My gentoo install of 2.5 years says otherwise
HM: and 3 bad experiences with ubuntu suddenly breaking
Naib: mha: again why don't *I* <3 gentoo
Naib: and my Gentoo install of 5years says otherwise
HM: 5 eh
PetoKraus: well
PetoKraus: the point is
PetoKraus: half of the time you keep tweaking it ;)
Naib: yer its fun \o/
PetoKraus: yes it is.
maligor: PetoKraus, stupid things like use gcc 4.3?-)
Naib: whats wrong with gcc-4.3.*
maligor: it's somewhat problematic still
Naib: thats why latest ubuntu, fedora,arch,... compile against it...
maligor: haven't tried 4.3.1 but hit some stability bugs with 4.3.0
Naib: 4.3.0 was never ment to go stable, so if you used it, your own fault unless you wanted to bughunt
maligor: heh
mha: Naib: you may of course <3 it, we all have bad opinions sometimes :]
maligor: PetoKraus, never really had big stability issues with debian
maligor: or more to the point: don't group debian with ubuntu's unstability
Naib: yer like mind and debian ;) mysql-4 depending on mysql-5 full-of-fail !!!
Naib: s/mind/my/
maligor: in unstable or testing?
maligor: I kinda doubt that would happen in stable
bahadunn: postgresql baby
maligor: yeah, real men run postgresql anyway ;)
PetoKraus: maligor: well, not stability, but it tended to reset my conf's to default setting
lord-carlos: Sorry i ask again, bit does some one have a idea why my computer freez when i run a OpenGl app. ?
maligor: PetoKraus, debian won't do that unless you tell it to
bahadunn: do what?
maligor: ubuntu might since it has weird automation
maligor: reset configurations
bahadunn: ah
bahadunn: yes this is true
bahadunn: debian always asks first
PetoKraus: maligor: apt-get dist-upgrade did ;)
maligor: yes, that would
bahadunn: PetoKraus: you running debian?
lord-carlos: Is there a OpenSource driver for a ATI 9800 with 3d accelaration?
maligor: I think, not sure
PinTail_b: OK, I'm really confused nwo. What is the open source equivalent of the fglrx driver
maligor: Haven't really done dist-upgrade for a while
bahadunn: PetoKraus: there are two
maligor: PinTail_b, radeon
michaellarabel: lord-carlos: Yes, the xf86-video-ati driver.
mha: debian branched distributions atleast have package signing. :) as for gentoo, hack a mirror; win! and since you insist on compiling your own (probably slower and worse off) binaries you only have your local md5sum database. good luck checking for backdoors etc if your system is compromised. :]
bahadunn: PetoKraus: xf86-video-radeonhd also
mha: not to mension the time spent on doing it
lord-carlos: michaellarabel: sure that its support 3d acceleration
PinTail_b: which one supports X1300 - and why are there so many of them
bahadunn: PetoKraus: the whole register thing
bahadunn: PetoKraus: the radeonhd guys code the driver using actual register/instructions
maligor: To register or to atom
bahadunn: PetoKraus: the ati guys use thing
bahadunn: yeah atom
bahadunn: could not remember the name
PinTail_b: atom ?
PetoKraus: stop higlighting me ffs :P
maligor: modular bios used by ati cards
bahadunn: whateva
michaellarabel: AtomBIOS
PinTail_b: hmmm.
PinTail_b: is this AtomBIOS frequently updated ?
maligor: lord-carlos, it should
bahadunn: the ati driver progresses faster because of the use of atombios
maligor: lord-carlos, usually should be automatically enabled too
michaellarabel: PinTail: sort of
PinTail_b: does the atombios get flashed to the card ?
maligor: yeah, it resides on the card flash
PinTail_b: does fglrx use atombios ?
michaellarabel: yes
lord-carlos: nice ppreacer works like charm
lord-carlos: thanks guy
lord-carlos: *guys
lord-carlos: Do you think i could run UnrealTurnement 04 with the opensoure driver and a 9800pro?
Riotta: hmm
lord-carlos: wow, openarena is laggy as hell
Riotta: I think you can run but it wouldn't be playable atall
Riotta: I remember times when I had infamous radeon card
Riotta: and it had only open drivers
Riotta: dri
Riotta: I tried to run ut2003 and it sucked really
lord-carlos: i think it would work if i find some older AMD ATI driver
Riotta: textures were messed up and stuff
Riotta: yeah
Riotta: amd drivers should work
Riotta: isn't your card supported anymore ?
Riotta: in new drivers ?
lord-carlos: It should, but every time i run an openGL app (movies, games ...) my cmputer freezes
Riotta: oh my
Riotta: :d another ati flawed driver, maybe you ran compiz ? maybe it's compiz fault
lord-carlos: nope, no compiz
Riotta: k
lord-carlos: first i thought it was becouse the system was mixed up, but it does also not work on a fresh Debian :/
lord-carlos: Do you know where i can find some older version of the ATI driver?
lord-carlos: a, the old links still work
vadi2: who here gets something when they visit http://localhost:631/?
Naib: \o
vadi2: if you do, your computer is infected with apple! :)
Naib: give me a better printer management system then
HM: Someone needs to think about the design of biscuits such that the gap between biscuits through the packaging cannot be mistaken for the gap within the biscuit for the cream filling
HM: That is all
PinTail_b: OK, I could use some clarification please: xf86-video-ati is the current *free* 'wrapper' for several lower level drivers of ATI video cards, right ?
maligor: lower level than what?
maligor: I never looked what it does, but I guess that's more or less the effect
PinTail_b: than xf86-video-ati - so for example xf86-video-radeon is between the card and xf86-video-ati
PinTail_b: si that correct ?
tx2rx: "The Mozilla Developer News blog is reporting Firefox 3 will be released on Tuesday, June 17, 2008" :-)
HM: heh
mhymn: tx2rx: could you please give the link too?
HM: w00t
HM: looks meekly at the phoronix homepage and wonders why there is no search box
starkmjolk: points to the top of the left menu
starkmjolk: but no, no search box :)
HM: damnit
michaellarabel: click the search link :)
HM: you expect me to read the first thing on the menu?
HM: oO
tx2rx: mhymn: it was top of /.
tx2rx: http://developer.mozilla.org/devnews/index.php/2008/06/11/coming-tuesday-june-17th-firefox-3/
Maledictvm: I could kill myself right now. I accidentally closed an unsaved OOo writer-document. I wanted to close another one, but the dialog was for the unsaved to file and now my text is gone.
Maledictvm: Is there any hope to restore the file, even partially?
Maledictvm: Stupid stability of Linux. I always forget to save. :(
mhymn: tx2rx: thank you very much :-)
starkmjolk: Maledictvm: I don't use word processors much but doesn't it autosave?
Maledictvm: It should, but it only saves a backup in case of an application-crash and not if you close the document.
starkmjolk: but I don't think it deletes that temp-copy when you close
Maledictvm: I sure hope not.
Maledictvm: There's .torrent-files from last month in there, so it should be there. ;)
starkmjolk: check ~/.openoffice.org2/user/backup/
Maledictvm: There's not backup-directory in /user/.
starkmjolk: mine has one, temp then perhaps? or try searching somewhere in there atleast
starkmjolk: someone else should be of greater help, someone who's not an emacs nut :P
Maledictvm: I'll try my best. But thanks. :)
copper: real men use vim
Maledictvm: For a job-application? I seriously doubt that. ;-)
copper: think again
copper: my sysadmin and my CTO both use Latex to write their resume and generate PDF files and other formats
copper: used*
copper: sorry, LaTeX
copper: http://vim-latex.sourceforge.net/
starkmjolk: I do all my work, unless forced otherwise, in latex
Maledictvm: Thanks, I'll consider that.
copper: See? :)
starkmjolk: my CV is done in latex, and job applications too. It just looks much better and isn't binary :P
copper: starkmjolk: nerd :P
starkmjolk: but I don't like vi :P
starkmjolk: copper: I'll take that as a compliment (:
Deanjo: *sigh* someone go and kick Asus's servers for me
jOin3r: they are just dressed up desktops, there are no asus servers
Deanjo: I think they are using Eee PC's using a usb 56k modem
Deanjo: How a tier 1 manufacturer can have such dog ass slow servers is beyond me
jOin3r: i know nothing about slow, but they don't really have solutions for remote console and monitoring sorted out
Deanjo: michaellarabel, do me a favor and mirror asus's ftp for me :P
copper: and gigabyte's
copper: all those taiwanese sites are dog slow
starkmjolk: if you do, please notify me. so many fifteen-minute-waits for mobo manuals wasted
GNU\colossus: all motherboard makers' ftp services suck. it's always been that way.
Deanjo: they have to be all hosted in the Philippines on their shared 56k backbone
GNU\colossus: in 2001, the one and only ABIT ftp that actually was alive was connected by bonded ISDN (128kbit/s)
starkmjolk: I know, doesn't make it less annoying :)
copper: Deanjo: even their .nl servers are slow
GNU\colossus: and my personal feeling is it hasn't changed much since then
Deanjo: US mirror is hosted in Taipei in Taiwan.
copper: I wonder if the rising price of gas and fuel is the answer to globalization
GNU\colossus: it might actually slow down its pace
copper: Will there be a point where it will cost more to import cheap electronics from the other side of the world, than to manufacture it locally
copper: How much did I pay for transportation when I bought my mobo/cpu/gpu?
Deanjo: $4.63
copper: I resent you.
Deanjo: lol
Deanjo: They ship via sea turtle nowdays
copper: lol
Deanjo: I read it on the net, and we know anything on the net is fact.
vadi2: neat. they made a self-replicating machine: http://reprap.org/bin/view/Main/WebHome
starkmjolk: Normally when I order from ebay, shipping from HK or China is cheaper than from my neighbour. Can't grasp how its possible though :)
starkmjolk: but... you don't see me complaining (:
Deanjo: I swear my empty beer bottles self-replicate
copper: you need to stop drinking
Deanjo: Stop talking such crazy talk
starkmjolk: Deanjo: can you send me a few such bottles? sounds great ;)
Deanjo: I said the empty's replicate, the full ones disappear into some vortex of sorts.
copper: 1-800-SOBERUP
starkmjolk: oh :((
Deanjo: They should of did an X-Files episode on the phenomenon.
starkmjolk: no, I want the other kind, the full ones that replicate and the empty ones that go to the vortex (:
copper: they should of did?
copper: you really are drunk
Deanjo: lol haven't had one yet
Deanjo: that's the problem
copper: then you have a serious problem
Deanjo: Ya empty beer fridge
starkmjolk: :P
copper: You have a dedicated frige for booze?
copper: fridge*
Deanjo: Ya, I have a second fridge used for beer, left overs and such
copper: I can't believe you have kids
Deanjo: I'm Canadian, it's required by law to have a beer fridge
copper: THINK OF TEH CHILDREN
Deanjo: I do, I feed them once a week, needed or not. :P
copper: is calling child services
Deanjo: I take them out of their cages once a week for a walk too
starkmjolk: I've always thought canada is the greatest, now I know. Dedicated beer fridges all around!
Exopaladin: I want a beer fridge, not that I have any beer to fill one with at the moment :/
copper: shut up, you're gonna make me crave for booze
Deanjo: lol
copper: I have enough cravings as it is
starkmjolk: you in here exo? lo. :)
starkmjolk: it's a small irc world I suppose :)
Exopaladin: lo, indeed it is ;P
Deanjo: Holy smokes, I'm getting a whole 14k/s now from ASUS
vadi2: their servers are in taiwan or something, aren't they?
Deanjo: Ya
Deanjo: Horrible servers
starkmjolk: shouldn't have to make it slow, but prolly
vadi2: they don't feed their monkeys enough
vadi2: hence the slow speed
starkmjolk: ah, monkey-power
Deanjo: They need to upgrade to gorillas
Deanjo: or at least orangutans
starkmjolk: and it can't be eee's, they're way too fast. XO-1?
Deanjo: if it wasn't for wget -c I'd be screwed
Deanjo: #$%^#$%^$%^, damn devs want me to install windows to give the speed steps for the 9850
copper: lol
copper: btw, I meant to ask you, where's that bug report of yours about that?
copper: linkage?
copper: and how do you get speed steps in windows,
copper: ?
Deanjo: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=398231
Deanjo: They just want to know what steps are supported in windows so they can look for it in the acpidump
vadi2: sounds reasonable, considering you mentioned it was ok in windows
Deanjo: Ya but it mean's I have to deflower my system again
vadi2: can't deflower again!
Deanjo: My MB swears it's a born again virgin
copper: Deanjo: hey, quick question: why do you make a tarball of a single file? :P
vadi2: to save the monkeys
Deanjo: bugzilla will only accept the tars
copper: lame
copper: I hope the Novel guys will bring their findings to the kernel
Deanjo: Saving the environment by using less bits to transmit, thus reducing power consumption, thus saving a baby seals habitat.
copper: vadi2: what IRC client are you using?
vadi2: pidgin
vadi2: why?
copper: thought so
copper: jkpakayag: may I ask what IRC client you are using?
copper: pidgin
vadi2: that's not me
copper: I know, but he shows the same symptom
vadi2: Oh psh.
vadi2: Fine, no more humour for you.
copper: whenever you use tab completion to select a username, your client prepends a non-breaking space to it
vadi2: eh?
vadi2: I don't use tab completion
copper: whatever you use to select a nick then
vadi2: I type it
copper: say my name
vadi2: or paste :/
vadi2: cooper
copper: nope
copper: spell it right
vadi2: copper
copper: hmmm k, say something like: "copper: something"
vadi2: copper: something
Deanjo: say it again, just dirtier this time :P
copper: hmmmm
vadi2: copper: can get very hot
copper: do as usual when you want to say something to someone
copper: copper: what do you mean, a mix. so 8600gts?
copper: see the char right before my nick?
vadi2: no..
copper: actually you wouldn't
vadi2: there's a space before it
copper: not a regular space
copper: a non-breaking space that doesn't display properly in my terminal
vadi2: i'd post a screenshot but imageshack is very very slow today
copper: copper: it happens when i copy nicks and paste them into the entry.
vadi2: copper: like this?
vadi2: and here's what I see: http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/4250/screenshotfd6.png
copper: yup
vadi2: oh
vadi2: I just double-clicked on your name, ctrl+c, ctrl+v, add a : and then typed
vadi2: I'll type your name out in the future then
copper: doesn't pidgin have tab-completion?
GNU\colossus: you might want to get a serious irc client...
Deanjo: copper, did you steal my XP-64 disk again?
copper: no, I pirated my own
vadi2: I don't know if it does. I never really use tab completion
copper: I installed XP64 btw, on your recommendation
copper: you use linux but not tab-completion?
vadi2: copper: tab completion testing
copper: You don't use the terminal much, do you?
vadi2: i use ubuntu, ok
vadi2: sry :(
copper: bah, if it works for you
starkmjolk: erc this the irc-client of choise ;)
starkmjolk: and yes, it has tab completion
copper: vadi2: actually, I didn't pay attention, but your screenshot does show the character in question
vadi2: that's my cursor
Deanjo: Dammit, network install I guess it is......
copper: lol
copper: Deanjo: just torrent it already
copper: BitTorrent: best databank evah
copper: You'd probably have trouble finding Windows ME though
Deanjo: Na, I slipstream my ISO's with the drivers
Deanjo: and all the updates...... Can't stand doing windows update
copper: tell Novel to think of lowering the VCore too
Deanjo: Ya that will happen more then likely
Deanjo: They are even working on getting the ACPI device that Asus uses for overclocking supported
copper: meh, I don't care about Asus, gimme Gigabyte support
copper: is cpufreq really motherboard-dependent?
Deanjo: I guess so
copper: :(
GNU\colossus: for K8 CPUs, it is
GNU\colossus: I haven't found any EIST capable intel cpu that did not support it, though, no matter the board
copper: Deanjo: found on Tom's Hardware front page: http://www12.tomshardware.com/images/banner/gigabyte/728x90-eng.gif
GNU\colossus: (and I don't know anything about K10 yet)
vadi2: amusingly enough that would've never happened in canada
vadi2: the marketing laws here prohibit from directly comparing your product vs another company's one
copper: "Polish guy clocks Phenom X4 to 3.7GHz" http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=7868&Itemid=35
Deanjo: See the fibbing Gigabyte bastards
copper: it's allowed in France if based on facts
Deanjo: I betcha that machine screams
copper: I wonder what happened at Gigabyte though… someone forgot to run it throught the legal department first?
copper: through*
copper: by*
copper: run it by, damn it
copper: their public apology is humiliating
Deanjo: Blame the tlb bug copper. I'll believe ya. :P
copper: I hope someone got fired over it.
Deanjo: 1 GB of drivers for a system......
copper: reboot after installing each one
Deanjo: Na slipstreamed
Deanjo: 1 reboot
copper: smart ass
Deanjo: nLite is a beautiful program
Deanjo: Should be a standard part of windows to "De-crappify install media"
starkmjolk: ov
Deanjo: Well see ya in a bit.....
copper: bai
copper: Mion: some meny crap. where is it
copper: Grr, another pidgin user. :P
vadi2: i like having everything in one place. would've been even better if the developers weren't such aholes at times :(
copper: I hear you
starkmjolk: oj
michaellarabel: aha, I think I just thought of one of the causes for the couple merging bugs in PTS.
Ivanovic: :)
Ivanovic: michaellarabel: got my message regardeing ut2k4?
Ivanovic: (some 15h ago...)
Ivanovic: somehow i see no difference, no matter if attractcam 1 or 0
michaellarabel: Yes, but I have had zero time to look at it.
Ivanovic: just wanted to be sure you got it
Ivanovic: but it looks like the "default" for benchmarking is having attractcam at 1
michaellarabel: ok
michaellarabel: How's the arm doing?
Ivanovic: the arm is fine, it is the small finger being injured
Ivanovic: (but the fat, ugly thing is annoying
Ivanovic: will be glad when it gets removed no monday
Ivanovic: time for me to head off to bed, n8
vadi2: "Just released in CNR.com
vadi2: is Win4Lin 5.0!
vadi2: "A Real Win for Linux Users"" oh god..
Klavious: is it just me... or does their logo look like crap? http://win4lin.net/content/index.php
Klavious: all the images look bad actually
vadi2: The whole thing is crap.
vadi2: CnR, Win4Lin, and that slogan.
vadi2: It can't get any worse o.O
Klavious: yeah haha
Deanjo: copper, you here?
Hylas1: o rly
Deanjo: Kernel: Linux 2.6.25.5-1.1-default CPU[1]: AMD Phenom(tm) 9850 Quad-Core Processor@3013.647 MHz CPU[2]: AMD Phenom(tm) 9850 Quad-Core Processor@3013.647 MHz CPU[3]: AMD Phenom(tm) 9850 Quad-Core Processor@3013.647 MHz CPU[4]: AMD Phenom(tm) 9850 Quad-Core Processor@3013.647 MHz Mem/Use: 4062844 kB/3639812 kB XInfo: Screen #0: @ 1600x1200 pixels (330x240 millimeters) /24 bit Uptime: 0:00