homeslice: hey I made it! :)
starkmjolk: mornin
Ivanovic: moin
copper: yo
copper: amazing how much better I sleep with noise blockers on
uncle_fungus: michaellarabel: gpu.usage patch here: http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?p=34963#post34963
uncle_fungus: michaellarabel: also, I think it would be useful to add a legend to monitor graphs even if they only show one item.
michaellarabel: Okay, there is already support for legends within pts_Graph, I just need to set it up within the monitor area
uncle_fungus: the legends already work for graphs with multiple monitored variables, but they just don't appear for single variables
uncle_fungus: hmm, the pass/fail graph isn't working here: http://global.phoronix-test-suite.com/index.php?k=profile&u=unclefungus-22176-25406-16507
michaellarabel: hmmm
michaellarabel: Let me look at your profile, one second.
uncle_fungus: i might have done the pass_fail type wrong, but it works locally
michaellarabel: PASS_FAIL looks correct. You could try MULTI_PASS_FAIL just to see if it then works on PTS Global. I am not sure if PASS_FAIL has ever been tested on global.
uncle_fungus: i'll give it a go
uncle_fungus: michaellarabel: ok the multi_pass_fail works
michaellarabel: Okay, one second I'll check on global then for the bug.
uncle_fungus: cheers
michaellarabel: http://global.phoronix-test-suite.com/index.php?k=profile&u=unclefungus-22176-25406-16507 working, but with that #1 bug
uncle_fungus: ah, but will that change to #test if I changed the id to test?
michaellarabel: I think I know what's causing that, isn't it fixed on the local side? I thought I had killed it there before.
uncle_fungus: its works fine locally, yes
michaellarabel: Okay, I'll fix it in PTS Global then, I think I just had to delete a line of code or remove one of the arguments.
Riotta: hi
michaellarabel: hi
mha: whom here are phoronix respresentatives?
michaellarabel: mha: I am.
mha: michaellarabel: cool. :)
mha: michaellarabel: just some feedback for the rss/atom feeds. I think you mension/promote the phoronix test suit and every single release of it a bit.. too much. it's a cool thing, but doubtfully somithng which all readers would be interested in.
mha: michaellarabel: it feels like you include it as a live changelog just because you maintain it.
michaellarabel: mha: There won't be as much PTS information in the feeds now that 1.0 is reached... No longer doing weekly releases :)
mha: michaellarabel: neat :)
michaellarabel: In development, there were weekly releases with 40+ changes each time around, but now it will branch off more on its own.
mha: michaellarabel: yupp. which sounds logical. my feedback was just that the tech-aimed guys whom read the rss would most likely not be the target for every-release update of the test suit itself.
mha: but that seems to be "solved" with the stable releases as you mension either case
vadi2: does anyone here play eve online? need to ask about performance
vadi2: Ah nvm, they got a neat faq up.
copper: What do you know, the new DVD drive solves all my optical media problems
Ivanovic: hiho
copper: I'm getting tired of upgrading my hardware
copper: hopefully I'm good for a few months
copper: and hopefully this drive will last longer than all of my previous ones :-/
Roberth: copper, what is forcing you to upgrade?
copper: numerous issues, like CD ripping gone wrong, screwed up CD-RW burns, DVD-Video discs that won't even load…
copper: oh, you mean in general?
copper: my last PC was pretty much FUBAR
copper: my hard drives were getting full
copper: my graphics card was AGP while my new mobo was PCI-E
copper: etc…
copper: my PSU exploded, too
Roberth: copper, oh i guess it was a long time ago last time you had upgraded
copper: 2003 :)
vadi2: :x
Roberth: im still using ide optical drive, and nforce 4 chipset:P
copper: screw IDE
copper: I'm all SATA now :)
Roberth: yeah i plan to move over to sata next time i buy a new optical drive, probably when investing in bluray drive etc
copper: I considered Blu-ray but since there's basically no support under linux, I settled for a DVD+-RW Dual Layer
Roberth: or if i my current one gets b0rked
copper: GCC 4.3.1 available
yjwong: hmm I thought Linux supported Blu-ray discs quite some time ago?
yjwong: but yeah, no video support
tx2rx: hrm, dunno, not going to buy into that DRM infestation untill DVD's are well a truely dead.
m-c: how about we downshift to Video CDs until the DRM on DVDs is gone...
copper: libdvdcss ftw
yjwong: where's libbdcss? ):
m-c: they got that too
m-c: but why buy into a DRM solution?
ajslater: physical removable media is all gone bye bye.
copper: m-c: I wouldn't call VideoCDs a viable alternative in this day and age
m-c: watching videos on an SDCard sounds good to me - never liked those scratchable discs.
copper: Of course you can always buy the Blu-ray disc or DVD-Video or whatever, and download a pirate rip for playback under linux
vadi2: Is there anything worse than actively using a goto in C? I'm trying to think of something but failing to come up with a reasonable thing.
copper: There's torture, rape, murder…
vadi2: In a program.
vadi2: code.
copper: You can always torture, rape and murder a PC. With code.
vadi2: Well, yes, that's what I consider a goto to do.
vadi2: can anything else do it?
copper: You can install Windows Me. That would be rape.
ajslater: there are exceptions to every rule. and plenty of non 'goto' syntax causes jumps.
ajslater: particular piece of code i inherited loves to put things in { } blocks and break from it.
ajslater: not 'bad'. just not my style.
jacques-work: grep -r goto .| wc -l
jacques-work: 52308
jacques-work: that's the linux kernel
vadi2: As I understand, the kernel is much more low-level than a desktop application.
vadi2: the thing I found uses goto's for it's program logic..
jacques-work: yeah most uses of goto are discouraged
jacques-work: but it does have a place
jacques-work: especially in lower level code
vadi2: of course.
Riotta: anyone knows maybe what's the command to force doom3 to use SMP (multi cpu)?
copper: doom3 has multi-threading code?
copper: google says it's a separate binary
align: Riotta: r_smp?
Riotta: align: not r_smp nor r_useSMP
Riotta: yes it has threading code
Riotta: q4 also
align: cool
copper: the binary is allegedly called doom3-smp
Riotta: copper: maybe it's other binnary
m-c: copper: getting back to that DRM topic -- I have to say I really hate seeing this mentality people have that it is okay to support and to purchase a DRM solution, so long as you specifically can find a hack (even if illegal) to get around it.
copper: nevermind
Riotta: maybe you are right cause in both d3 and d3-expansion those commands aint working
copper: no the information I found was wrong
m-c: Apple came out today and said they are going to put the smack-down on iPhone hackers, and I, for one, will not be shedding any tears for them.
vadi2: same
copper: m-c: if you want to take your principles all the way, you have to be prepared to live like a monk
vadi2: can't agree on the dvd thing though
m-c: These DRM solutions get put into place because so many people propel it into being a standard... including the technical people who know better.
copper: you'll never win
m-c: Well, if we do, we're putting the iphone users up against the wall, first.
copper: you'll never get even so much as a sizeable minority to boycot products on principle
copper: well, maybe some, like Windows
copper: There are way too many things that are wrong in this world. My first issues lie with the fact that my country, France, the author of the Human Rights bill, isn't even a true democracy, contrary to what the government would have us believe.
copper: Then there's corruption, corporate greed, etc…
michaellarabel: wow, xserver-1.4.1 is finally released...
align: haha
copper: DRMed DVDs? Yeah, well, I got other fishes to fry.
vadi2: is that the one that was out due last september?
align: took long enough
michaellarabel: vadi2: Due last November
vadi2: ah
copper: m-c: haven't I seen you in ##linux?
copper: btw, can anyone think of high-profile games that have x86_64 linux binaries? I already have Quake 3 and UT2004. Any other ones?
vadi2: savage 2
vadi2: um, don't know how does eve online count
vadi2: that's about it really.
copper: :-/
vadi2: why does it matter
vadi2: most games are single-threaded still
vadi2: just install the 32bit compatibility libs and you're set.
copper: what does x86_64 have to do with threading?
vadi2: oh, nvm, I'm mistaken
copper: I guess installing 32-bit libs will be less of a hassle with Arch linux (well, hopefully)
vadi2: (can't speak, ubuntu here... they were a peace of cake. if they weren't installed by default. i don't remember)
copper: but still, why is it taking so long for the industry to support x86_64? It's been out since 2003 for crying out loud
vadi2: drivers?
m-c: Hey, 32-bit libs come pre-configured in the new 64-bit ubuntu, and there a bunch more 64-bit high-profile games. Too many to list. Depends on what you mean by high-profile. A great number of free software games have been ported.
m-c: The reason is closed-source engines, actually
copper: vadi2: drivers aren't the issue, all of my drivers are 64-bit
m-c: Goofy-Cross-Platform-Engine 3.0 does not create 64-bit binaries, so the developer cannot support it.
copper: uh?
copper: same difference, I don't care who's responsible, the game developer or the engine developer
m-c: Well, they are both responsible. So are the users for loading 32-bit operating systems on their 64-bit hardware.
copper: eh
copper: Linus, is that you? ;)
vadi2: yeah, m-c is right.
m-c: But, to answer your question, the prevalence of 32-bit engines is the reason.
copper: I recently installed Windows XP x64, it finally sees my 4 GiB of RAM
copper: oh now you're going to give me the silent treatment :)
m-c: You lost me at the word 'windows'
copper: I figured as much.
copper: damn integrists
copper: m-c: what do you think of FreeDOS?
copper: Did I lose you at "DOS" too?
vadi2: dell ships freedos!
copper: no wai
vadi2: lol. eve online has a "gang feature".
sebastian_: free software games suck
tx2rx: thanks,
vadi2: games that don't run on linux suck. that's about it for me
tschaka^: true
sebastian_: i agree it sucks that most of the quality games don't run on linux but if you compare the quality of the open source games to the current releases you think they are decades behind
vadi2: um..
vadi2: genius conclusion there. But I'm sure given the same funding levels, you'd get the same quality levels.
vadi2: since that hasn't happened though, nobody can prove that theory :x
sebastian_: that's true but i mean open source games by definition don't have the same kind of funding as commercial games
tschaka^: which games espacially, just to ask? ;)
tschaka^: there are quite a few out there which are pretty much fun. depends on your taste.
vadi2: supertuxcart and grand theft auto i think
sebastian_: i was just going through the list of the ones shipping with fedora yesterday (was a bit bored) and they're all pretty bad ... except maybe vega strike is OK
vadi2: umm
tschaka^: what would you like to play? ;9
vadi2: so you're comparing games shipped by default
sebastian_: no i mean the ones in the repository
vadi2: so compare vega strike to ... what's that space game in windows.
tschaka^: i guess there are quite much games which arent in the repos, being a bit better.
vadi2: i forgot the name. but the one with the ball
tschaka^: freelancer?
tschaka^: ;)
vadi2: no
sebastian_: well vega strike is not bad, but it's a single game
vadi2: you're supposed to not let the ball fall through the gate at the bottom
vadi2: it jumps about the field
sebastian_: it would be cool to have a quality RPG in linux though
vadi2: pinball!
tschaka^: aw. dunno i guess. sebastian, try savage battle for newerth, its for free, and its fun. alsa try planeshift (well it's a bit strange tho)
tschaka^: YAY:D
vadi2: <3 savage 2
m-c: sebastian_: what kind of RPG?
tschaka^: savage 2 rox even more, but it costs money, and u want free games :D
vadi2: no, he was saying quality games no
sebastian_: like maybe something sort of sci-fi
tschaka^: true.
vadi2: there's the eshalon book 1 game
Klavious: something like and open source morrowind on linux would be awesome, but that'll never happen
vadi2: rainslick on the preci-something of darkness
vadi2: um, a bunch more, but I don't play rpgs so I don't remember
m-c: book 2 was announced today
tschaka^: well, then there is nexuiz, ioquake, openarena for shooting guys. + warsow + wolf ET
vadi2: etqw
tschaka^: yeah.
vadi2: probably sports the best graphics on linux around
sebastian_: yeah or something like mass effect
sebastian_: :)
tschaka^: penumbra black plague for horror single player fans :)
vadi2: yeah, I don't think mass effect is available on linux. so what?
tschaka^: or glest, even wesnoth or ufo alien invasion for rts fans :p
sebastian_: i said "like"
vadi2: spring RTS
sebastian_: in the quality and spirit
vadi2: rocks for rts people
vadi2: I think you're confusing here something, sebastian.
tschaka^: :]
vadi2: People paid to do work and people not paid to do work.
vadi2: If you're comparing these two, then ... I don't know what are you thinking.
tschaka^: people developing 2-3 years full time.
tschaka^: and ppl who code in their spare time ;)
vadi2: Expecting quality from people not paid to do this?
vadi2: Should be happy they even did something.
sebastian_: right, i totally agree ... i mean if you take these games and say well they're free they're perfectly fine ... but if you compare the windows (or ps3 or whatever) games to linux you cannot seriously think they are of the same quality
vadi2: Now, you're skipping things.
tschaka^: savage 2 and etqw definatly are. but they cost ;)
vadi2: Are you still comparing free games or windows games to linux games?
vadi2: Many windows games work on linux and vice versa.
sebastian_: generally i am comparing open source games to commercial games
vadi2: Okay, so stick to that.
tschaka^: SUPERTUXKART
tschaka^: :)
sebastian_: ha ha
vadi2: meanwhile I just got my eve subscription in. tada
m-c: sebastian_: so, you know there are commercial games for linux too
dante_2core: sebastian_, this is open source <> commercial, not windows <> linux, as mentioned before.
sebastian_: right
sebastian_: but most of linux games are open source and most of commercial games for PCs are for windows
dante_2core: still it is not the same thing.
sebastian_: no i am not saying it's not
sebastian_: i am not saying it is*
dante_2core: and why free/oss games are "worse" than commercial games is obvious
dante_2core: as games depend a tremendous lot on time invested
dante_2core: which is simply not available to oss coders as it is to commercial ones.
dante_2core: the thing that linux gamers use to call their games superior is the fun-factor
dante_2core: they don't even look at graphics or feature-richness, solely at how much fun it is to play a game, which is completely subjective
sebastian_: but it's strange that other open source software can often be of higher quality than the commercial software ... just games are one big exception
dante_2core: because they don't depend as much on concepts as other software does, but a lot more on raw work (level design etc)
sebastian_: i think it's more because they are sort of considered to be much more of a trivial thing than OS or similar ... it's not like you NEED a game to use a computer productively
m-c: also the commerical software projects that suck never go to market, so you never hear about them
dante_2core: this and in addition coders don't design, they code. games need designers.
sebastian_: that's true i guess ... maybe it's a lack of artists
dante_2core: games like warsow, which have artists, designers and the like, easily create a very professional feel
sebastian_: willing to do open source
dante_2core: warsow is one game I could easily imagine seeing in a store
dante_2core: well, one time long ago I decided I'd rather play pong in a console than install another OS for gaming. then again, I have a ps3 so I don't really bother
dante_2core: the only thing I really am pissed about is having UT3 in my shelf, sitting there and waiting for the promised installer, but that just as a sidenote.
sebastian_: yeah consoles are usually best... but if you already bought a windows CD with your computer (not by choice) you might as well use it for something
dante_2core: sebastian_, yes, but I assembled my box myself. it's never seen anything but linux.
sebastian_: can you assemble laptops as well?
dante_2core: nope
dante_2core: my notebook has windows.
dante_2core: i'll wipe it any day, but i'm having the same thoughts as you do: why not just keep it, sometimes it proves useful
dante_2core: I'm no linux-cultist who says everything else is bullocks, I consider that rather ignorant
dante_2core: but you can get OS-less notebooks in several places nowadays, can'tya?
sebastian_: i think you can ... i just got a good bargain on ebay and it came with windows :)
ajslater: indeed. that is ignorant. Though windows superficially is bullocks. :P
ajslater: s/superficially/specifically/
m-c: Funny how you think a linux-preference is a religion. What is a mac-preference, do you think?
dante_2core: ajslater, ^^
ajslater: there are a small minority of people with preferences for every os that qualify as cultists.
ajslater: most people just have a preference.
dante_2core: m-c, I did not mean preference in specific, but rather believe in what one is using to be the only universally true solution
ajslater: i have a cult-like anti-preference.
sebastian_: m-c: mac preference is also a religion ... i
sebastian_: i've got a few friends who are so into macs they will defend apple no matter what
dante_2core: if one says linux is best for me, that's not a cult, that's a fact. If I hear people say "mac is best, one day you'll learn", that's what I call a cult.
dante_2core: some people just miss out the _for me_ part
ajslater: hence politics. politics is odious, because its always what you wish /other/ people would do.
dante_2core: m-c, I've talked to people ignoring all arguments and praising their os to be best, no matter what it was
dante_2core: that's what I call cultish
sebastian_: ajslater: don't you ever wish you could force other people do to certain things in a certain way?
m-c: Just a term that is really out in left field when talking about computers. I think people use it to be dismissive.
dante_2core: I can't see myself using anything but linux, but if people use windows/mac/whatever, that's fine for their liking, I neither care nor oppose
ajslater: all the time. everyone is political.
dante_2core: m-c, I lack vocabulary/register, I know.
m-c: Not like it's the first time the term was used ;)
dante_2core: ajslater, sebastian_ you'd be well-fit in #philosophy at undernet ^^
dante_2core: m-c, mostly related to all things apple, though.
ajslater: joins #bitter-old-unreasonable-cynic
dante_2core: ^^
m-c: Person: "I think all kids should get education." Dismisser: "Get out of here, you education cultist!"
dante_2core: lawl
ajslater: :)
dante_2core: very good point showing an interesting aspect of the topic - subjective views
dante_2core: the dismisser sees Persons view as not true/"right" and thus opposes
dante_2core: m-c, you could replace all the kids should get education by women should not be allowed to vote, and the sentence would not sound as bad anymore to most people
m-c: I'm just trying to put calling someone a religious zealot into a different context. Computers is not a religion, so it's weird people use that term so much.
dante_2core: m-c, I used it to be dismissive towards people not funding their argumentations and relying on belief instead - I was not outlining that well enough, I guess
ajslater: political ideas related to computers can be.
ajslater: if its all you think about.
ajslater: i've met thoroughly uninteresting people who think about nothing but their sexuality.
ajslater: you could do that with computer/info politics too.
dante_2core: ... who thought you were thoroughly uninteresting because you think about nothing but computers? :P
m-c: Yeah, sure, political ideas. But I know only a handful of computer people who are actually religious in the typical meaning, so maybe that's why it's a diss everyone likes to use.
ajslater: no. i only think about weight lifting.
dante_2core: ^^
ajslater: but i know enough to shut up about it in public.
ajslater: you need a good definition of religion.
ajslater: zealot is more appropriate for this conversation.
ajslater: enthusiasm bordering on the irrational.
dante_2core: most people use an abstract sense, I guess because they didn't come into contact with religion in the traditional way nowadays
dante_2core: zealot.
m-c: Or maybe that's why the term is used - so loaded.
dante_2core: jots down a note.
ajslater: (10:54:34 AM) dante_2core: some people just miss out the _for me_ part
ajslater: that pretty much sums it all up.
dante_2core: ajslater, :P
dante_2core: afk, studying for CAE.
ajslater: although, networks will affect you, as will social structures that limit your actions (ie, all of them).
ajslater: hence civilization and its discontents.
ajslater: i mean: Leeenux R0x0rZ!
m-c: Yeah, so what - people do that all the time for other things.
ajslater: btw, a huuuge thank you to all the phoronix guys for their ATI driver reporting and analysis.
ajslater: has helped me out a ton.
m-c: Anyone here installed a new motherboard in a computer?
ajslater: not in the last 3 years.
m-c: I am wondering whether I should re-install the operating system with using a linux kernel.
ajslater: depends on how smart you think the boot discovery process is.
m-c: I have always heard it was independent of the hardware, but maybe there is something that happens during the installation.
ajslater: yeah. dunno. back up well and then give it a try.
m-c: True enough. I will take a look at what modules are loaded too.
ajslater: its annoying that most operating systems boot as if they were discovering their hardware for the first time ever. but it would help you in this case.
m-c: No activation tied to the hardware here, either.
ajslater: maybe my next media server will hibernate properly.
lightrush: I need someone for testing with Intel/NVIDIA lappie - preferably DELL, but not necessarily - with problems with SUSPEND/RESUME
lightrush: Ubuntu/Debian possibly
PetoKraus: here
PetoKraus: hmm ubuntu/debian
PetoKraus: it's dell inspiron 6400, Core 2 Duo, 2GB RAM, running Gentoo
vadi2: lightrush: i'm on one
lightrush: vadi2,
lightrush: nive
lightrush: nice
lightrush: what hardware do u have
lightrush: and distro
lightrush: ok well my exp is the Debian way and I have no idea how Gentoo deals with acpi scripts
vadi2: http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?rt0hcnmm1k3
vadi2: that's a pretty recent report hardinfo made, should have all stuff in it
vadi2: and both suspend and resume work great on my laptop
lightrush: soo u have no problems with sus/res
lightrush: ?
vadi2: nope
vadi2: i mean ye[
vadi2: *yep
vadi2: no problems
lightrush: what mods do u have on /etc/default/acpi-support , xorg.conf , and do u have intel_agp blacklisted
lightrush: or other mods?
vadi2: here's the acpi: http://pastebin.com/m388e0988
vadi2: xorg: http://pastebin.com/m37c70f70
vadi2: and I don't know how to check the blacklist
lightrush: does it work consistently?
lightrush: e.g. 20 suspends/resumes in period of a week
lightrush: no restarts
vadi2: yes, I always suspend overnight
vadi2: no restarts
Klavious: switch windows, I think.
Klavious: f5 f6
lightrush: well this sounds pretty good. My machine would never suspend with urs acpi-support
lightrush: basically u have the default version
vadi2: yup, didn't do any tinkering at all
lightrush: well I need a volunteer with inconsistent suspend/resume :)
yjwong: my suspend/resume will not work with Compiz turned on
lightrush: chipset/graphics
lightrush: ?
yjwong: ATI Mobility Radeon X1400
yjwong: using Catalyst 8.5
lightrush: not in my league - I need someone with Intel/NVIDIA combo
vadi2: look at ubuntu forums
vadi2: you'll definitely get a crowd
lightrush: Ive read all the info and posted already in a topic
lightrush: and I have figured some of the recommendationas are total bs
vadi2: i'd recommend starting one, not posting in one
lightrush: like NvAGP 1 - bulshit
lightrush: and it is in every topic
lightrush: :D
lightrush: well I am gonna do further testing on my machine
lightrush: I have just reinstalled it - vanilla - and will modify it the way it worked on the mess before and if it still works I will post
yjwong: NVIDIA? My desktop with a 8800GTS wouldn't want to suspend too
yjwong: And yeah, it's in SLI mode
lightrush: well I cant say if the experience with PM965 + 8400M can be transposed on 8800 with NVIDIA chipset
lightrush: I think they will behave pretty different
lightrush: but anyways
lightrush: :)
vadi2: does anyone know the name of the program that pops up when you do alt+f2?
lightrush: vadi2, it will be g**something :)
lightrush: or it may be just an applet
vadi2: I can't find it :/
lightrush: probably it is integrated applet from GNOME
Maledictvm__: gnome-run is what you mean, vadi2.
vadi2: I don't have that
vadi2: but I was told the functionality is integrated into the gnome-panel itself. :/
vadi2: which isn't bad, but I just need to figure out how to get the source code using apt
Maledictvm__: When I was using Fedora there was yum whatprovides - maybe there's an equivalent in apt too. Tried the man-page?
vadi2: got it, I think it's 'sudo apt-get source gnome-panel'
dashcloud: any fedora users around?
Riotta: dashcloud: try maybe #fedora ?
dashcloud: okay
Ivanovic: michaellarabel: so that there is finally *some* topic...
maccam94: yayyyy
GNU\colossus: michaellarabel: had the time to look into the ads-displays-despite-having-a-premium-account yet, perchance? :)
vadi2: how did you manage that one
vadi2: oh
vadi2: it's a known bug.
vadi2: just visit the forums first
michaellarabel: colossus: Did you mention the problem earlier, I didn't receive a message on it.
Ivanovic: michaellarabel: i hope the topic i set is fine for you
michaellarabel: Ivanovic: sure
Ivanovic: and you can change it yourself whenever something interesting happens
Ivanovic: (eg announcing "nvivia completely opening their linux driver" or "valve supports linux and all current source engine based are available as native linux binaries")
Ivanovic: ;)
Ivanovic: hopes that these two happen in the curse of 2008...
vadi2: now that is an ironic typo
Ivanovic: though instead of "completely opening their linux driver" it could as well be "publishes complete specs for all cards"
Ivanovic: vadi2: OOXML was accepted by the iso, so it must be a cursed year, right?
Ivanovic: (okay, it might get reverted again, we will see...)
vadi2: well, steam and nvidia annoucements might now come too now that you cursed the year!
GNU\colossus: michaellarabel: yes, I actually might be the first one who reported it some time ago. my phoronix account name is "colo".
michaellarabel: Was that the bug with first having to go into the forums?
vadi2: looks like so
jacques-work: I love these types of articles: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=xserver_141&num=1
jacques-work: too many times open source projects are given a "pass" on release dates
jacques-work: 212 days late is kinda insane
jacques-work: especially for core projects that distros depend on
vadi2: I'm sure this'll be a good bump to get the situation improved
Maledictvm__: I like it, how there's no "you need to work faster, even if it's for free!" without offering support to assist.
vadi2: Lol. There's a new phase on the conspiracy theory bazaar: ¢anoni¢al
Ivanovic: time to get some sleep, n8
rony: Finally an IRC Channel :P