Phoronix IRC Log: 2008-06-09
copper: anyone with a Core 2 Duo/Quad CPU, running a 64-bit linux distro?
Klavious: @ copper
Klavious: I've running arch x86_64
copper: Klavious: I need a small favor
copper: I submitted the Monkey's Audio PTS profile, and need to check something
Klavious: Is this related to the Phoronix Test Suite?
copper: Would you mind downloading the source code (http://etree.org/shnutils/shntool/support/formats/ape/unix/3.99-u4-b5/s4/mac-3.99-u4-b5-s4.tar.gz), run ./configure without any options, and pastebin the end of the output (starting with "Build options:")?
Klavious: sure, I'll try it.
copper: thanks a bunch
Klavious: was that right?
copper: That's exactly what I wanted, thanks
copper: Do you have yasm installed?
copper: $ which yasm
Klavious: which: no yasm in (/bin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/opt/mozilla/bin:/usr/bin/perlbin/site:/usr/bin/perlbin/vendor:/usr/bin/perlbin/core)
copper: That's what I thought.
Klavious: want me to install yasm then re-do the ./configure again?
copper: I wouldn't mind
copper: if you do that, the "enable assembly" line should say "yes"
Klavious: yeah, it does. along with a few new lines indicating where yasm is installed and the arch/format
copper: well, if you run the encode-ape PTS benchmark, you should get a much better score now
copper: I need to update the profile and specify the yasm dependency
Klavious: I actually haven't tried the suite yet O_o. So I really don't know much about it.
copper: It's a bit surprising some distros don't include yasm as part of their standard building tools
copper: Out of curiosity, do you have nasm installed?
copper: so LAME wouldn't benefit from ASM code either on 32-bit platforms
copper: Good thing Michael made the channel public, I've been trying to find someone with a C2D running a 64-bit distro for days :)
Klavious: lol, I just saw the post earlier indicating the channel was on freenode... so I though I'd pop in.
copper: glad you did :)
Klavious: let me know if you need any other tests, I'm still kind of a newbie when it comes to Linux... but I'll gladly help out. I'm fairly bored.
copper: I'll be trying out Arch Linux in a few days, I have a feeling that's the right kind of distro for me.
Klavious: check out the wiki, it's a gold mine of information
copper: I just have to finish moving stuff from one HDD to another
Klavious: You'll probably like it, I've used a few different distros and this one is easily my favorite.
copper: well I was looking for a distro with x86_64 packages and GCC 4.3.x by default, and that isn't bloated
Klavious: I'd suggest using the 2008 RC isos, instead of the 2007 ones which I've read don't work that well.
Klavious: wonder if freenode is having problems, I keep getting disconnected
tsuru: it happens... :(
xsacha: damn, the first ad ive ever been tricked to.. there's this continue button at the bottom of first page of an article..
xsacha: i clicked it, something about winning a free ipod
copper: Did you win a free iPod? ;)
jOin3r: hi there
shorty_: jOin3r is fat
Ivanovic_ontour: michaellarabel: i think it was a mistake to post the news about th irc chan
Ivanovic_ontour: before the news it was so lovely quite in here...
copper: and now we have to watch what we say
colo_mobile: hi all
dystopianray: colo_mobile: hello
esters: finally we will have some real time disscusions about the latest and greatest in Open Source world :)
colo_mobile: where can I best track free (as in freedom) AMD 780G graphics support?
colo_mobile: is radeonhd or ati (radeon) the recommended driver at the moment?
qaridarium: do someone can some PTS results Put into 1 accound name? becourse i make some bechmarks and now i have a nickname but the results are listen in diverend names..
uncle_fungus: that would be up to Michael, but I suspect not
qaridarium: ok lock like automatik code.. no manual ok,,
uncle_fungus: "Processor: AMD Engineering Sample" ;)
qaridarium: hehe :) you like my system ?
qaridarium: this is my to... http://global.phoronix-test-suite.com/index.php?k=profile&u=ass-16144-32713-2065
qaridarium: at 1680x1050 i hold the Phoronix FPS rekort.. have a look!
qaridarium: 3870with K102,5ghz Lose.. Geforce 8800GTs lose to *G*
uncle_fungus: gah, my internet connection is going sooo slow
qaridarium: im wondering that this Guy lose on my system.. dougztr-5784-24050-17876
qaridarium: All Componets are better than my system..
qaridarium: and he lose *G*
uncle_fungus: run a global comparison against this one: http://global.phoronix-test-suite.com/index.php?k=profile&u=unclefungus-30544-2380-23474
qaridarium: there are some stange miracles
uncle_fungus: from that comparison the GPU obviously isn't the limiting factor
uncle_fungus: since 3 generations of cards have almost identical results
qaridarium: uncle_fungus: you dont want heer this but i can win *G* becourse this is my lite system i have some CPus in my other PC to... then i have quatcore to becource dualsocket F1207 with opteron 2216 and 2218 and my VGA is better to.
qaridarium: uncle_fungus: my frend have a 1900 to he lost
qaridarium: this is my frend.. he lost d2kx-7504-7908-32646
qaridarium: on qwet he lost to.
qaridarium: so the X1900 can not win
uncle_fungus: no, i'm just saying that the CPU is probably the limiting factor in that nexuiz configuration since a lowly X1800 can get almost the same score as a HD3870
qaridarium: what are you meaning?
qaridarium: is this not a normal nexuiz bech?
uncle_fungus: i mean in this test: http://global.phoronix-test-suite.com/index.php?k=profile&u=unclefungus-30544-2380-23474 all three graphics cards get almost identical scores
qaridarium: nexuiz gibe me the same results wen i do my CPU to 1ghz... there is no diverenz to 2,75ghz
uncle_fungus: in that case run a global comparison against the above result
uncle_fungus: ./phoronix-test-suite benchmark unclefungus-30544-2380-23474
qaridarium: ah ok
qaridarium: what is the diverense ? is this maximun settings ?
uncle_fungus: the only difference is sound is disabled
uncle_fungus: its 1680x1050 with HDR on
qaridarium: i have allredy do this...
uncle_fungus: not in http://global.phoronix-test-suite.com/index.php?k=profile&u=ass-16144-32713-2065 you don't
uncle_fungus: you've got hdr and sound on, and hdr and sound off
qaridarium: lol ok done i rock your system,,. LOL Intel is so Shity *G*
qaridarium: a normal hd3850
uncle_fungus: its all in the CPU in that test. If I upped the core clock the score would increase
uncle_fungus: i dont think nexuiz is multithreaded either
qaridarium: uncle_fungus: you see.. Intel CPUs have some problems
qaridarium: i think you can'T
qaridarium: besource there is an noter one with an 8800 and 3ghz..intel the lose to
qaridarium: i think yes it is the cpu but not the cpu its the RAM SPEED to the cpu i think...
qaridarium: so on intel you max have 8GB/s.. on my system i can have 22GB/s---
uncle_fungus: well, when I get home I'll take the CPU back up to 3.4GHz and see what heppens
qaridarium: there os someone with an 6000+ <--bigger cpu as my one.. the lose to
uncle_fungus: the memory bandwidth on intel systems is a known limitation with their architecture. I'm not sure how much of a difference it's going to make in this test though
qaridarium: becourse desktop systems are not build for have 22GB/s ram speed...
qaridarium: by AMD desktops only habe up to 12GB/s--
uncle_fungus: yah, but i'm guessing your "Engineering sample" is a server chip?
qaridarium: its an 8218 ,,, for an Core2duo its an Old chip
qaridarium: but i think its the ram speed
qaridarium: and not realy the ramspeed.. only the bus speed--
qaridarium: i have seen some bechmarks wen the VGA limitatons the bechmark amd always male 1-2 Frames more becorse they have less latenz (ping) on the Bus
uncle_fungus: thats the advantage of having your memory controller on-die
qaridarium: but es..single theatet Intel Core2duo sould win if this is an CPU Power problem not an BUS speed Problem,.
uncle_fungus: try running some comparisons and change the memory divider to kill the bandwidth then
qaridarium: uncle_fungus: do you Overclock on Multi or on FSB ?
uncle_fungus: fsb since the multi is locked
uncle_fungus: well, its locked upwards anyway
qaridarium: so you not get more speed becourse the cpu is faster only becourse the FSB brings more bandwith speed..
qaridarium: be sure,,
uncle_fungus: depends what memory mutliplier i set
qaridarium: but i have a frend.. the hase an intel to FSB1600 brings a litle bit more..
qaridarium: in some onther tests it makes no diverense..
qaridarium: i think i have phoronix best FPS on 1680x1050 *G*
qaridarium: on nexuiz
qaridarium: with only ddr2-667
uncle_fungus: true, but most of us aren't using it for a "mine is bigger than yours", we're using it to guage performance and identify bottlenecks (well, I am at least)
qaridarium: do you see this page ?? ,, http://global.phoronix-test-suite.com/index.php?k=profile&u=qaridarium-30061-27011-5809
uncle_fungus: that says to me that the CPU or memory subsystem is a bottlenexk in my system
qaridarium: uncle_fungus: yes.. look i use this for an diverend way.. i want a Cheaper system thats brings me speed.. nothing more i do not have so much money to bay me a intel "Skultrail" for 5000 Bugs
uncle_fungus: hehe, there's no way I'm buying skulltrail
qaridarium: uncle_fungus: in the end of this Year Intel will bring a Serial-Link CPU... Nehalem that will be the Turn for intel do have Over-ALL dominanz
uncle_fungus: possibly, but I don't need a new system, so I won't be buying skulltrail ;)
qaridarium: but i think the Old Intel system with FSB is allready Death.. FSB 1600 can'T do anything
qaridarium: Skulltrail is so Fucking up... Big Energie konsuming Witout any Usable speed on Real games like Nexuiz
uncle_fungus: hi Riotta
Riotta: plenty of ppl :) for a new chan glad to see that
uncle_fungus: thats what happens when you write a phoronix news article about it
uncle_fungus: before that there were usually only about 5 of us here
qaridarium: uncle_fungus: amd Fucks up to.. K10 Phenom have no more ramspeed on the link again an K8.. Opteron 2*2224 are the biggest on this part..
uncle_fungus: I don't think AMD have changed their memory link since K8 though have they?
qaridarium: they have...
qaridarium: they make it Bigger..
uncle_fungus: and of course bigger is better ;)
qaridarium: ht2 on K8 ht3 on phenome
qaridarium: but the K10@2,5ghz can NOT bring the Power..
qaridarium: you must know 2*2224 wins again an K10@2,5ghz..
qaridarium: ok much more WATT konsuming but they win
qaridarium: uncle_fungus: i think 12,x GB/s is the maximun the 6400+ Black edition do this.. but yes this Cpu is Out,...
copper: Do I smell AMD fanboyism?
copper: we need PS3 submissions
qaridarium: copper:why? in 3-4 monds intel will have more
qaridarium: copper: im not an amd fan boy becourse i think Nehalem from intel will be better at this part.
qaridarium: becourse ddr3 ram higher bandwith top speed to the cpu and bigger L3 Cache
qaridarium: copper: so im a technic fan boy.. vor now amd have the better memory controller.. in the future intel will have the better one
copper: I'm not getting myself into an Intel vs. AMD troll^W discussion
qaridarium: copper: come one wer is the troll ? intel kills the FSB by him self... -->Nehalem there is no troll only the true
qaridarium: copper: you see no troll anywere
qaridarium: so you see i'm an intel Fan Boy if they make Good Podukts
qaridarium: copper: so were is the troll ?
jensp: qaridarium: I think you missed a joke there, just drop it, these discussions don't lead to anything
copper: sure they do
copper: pissing contests! yay!
jensp: I rest my case
qaridarium: jensp: ok...
qaridarium: copper: what do you think is the limitation faktor on the nexuiz bechmark by the resulution 1680X1050 cpu power or ram bandwith ?
copper: I don't know
qaridarium: in the last time i think it can be the PCIe bandwith...
qaridarium: so i will make a restart and will do some tests..
esters: hi michaellarabel
qaridarium: habs herrausgefunden wieso ich den rekort halt bei nexuiz bei 1680X1050
qaridarium: o sorry english.. now i found it why i have the highest score on nexuiz with 1680x1050
qaridarium: 1-2Frames are the amd K8 cpu.. the rest is the PCIeSpeed.. on 143MHZ i have 68frames 100mhz only slower than 60
qaridarium: so nexuiz have an PCIe problem..
qaridarium: or PCIe are only to slow
qaridarium: on the same PCIe speed intel are 1-2 Frames slower.. but yes why realy need PCIe2.0
copper: michaellarabel: is there a way to make a dependency requirement optional in PTS profiles?
michaellarabel: Right now, no. But I could make such an option... why?
copper: the presence of yasm on the system changes Monkey's Audio performance radically
copper: it builds fine without yasm, but then you don't get ASM routines, and the encoder runs much slower
tsuru: for the better wqe assume?
copper: yeah for the better
tsuru: lagged on that last one :)
copper: that's alright, my brain's memory controller is crippled too
qaridarium: michaellarabel: the nexuiz profil need some chances on this profil all modern PCs have the same results. Please Put the Nexuiz options ALL High as you can.. on my system if i config nexuiz manual i Burns hot
qaridarium: in this profil nexuiz bechmark is nonsens.. unclefungus-30544-2380-23474
michaellarabel: Okay. I thought I did set them all to high, but I'll look into it.
qaridarium: ALL VGAs habe nerly the same FPS
copper: michaellarabel: fwiw, LAME on 32-bit systems has a similar optional dependency (nasm) - it runs faster if nasm is available
copper: oh, and I'm pretty sure that's the case for p7zip as well (yasm)
qaridarium: michaellarabel: realtime world ligning and realtime shadows are not on
michaellarabel: oops, do you have those options off hand from the cfg file?
qaridarium: michaellarabel: the reflextions are not on and the offset mapping
qaridarium: i install the bechmark manualy
qaridarium: i install it by the debian skript
qaridarium: and the Options are not so "high"
qaridarium: i think on the max options my system goes down in the FPS,...
qaridarium: waht is the nexuiz pro-mode?
copper: oh noes, Slashdot has been slashdotted!
qaridarium: the nexuiz "Ultrimate" is not so High,, Reflexions only sharp.. it can be "insane"
qaridarium: michaellarabel: if i set all to ultra high its much slower..
copper: I'm still waiting for the "Fry an Egg on Your CPU" PTS profile…
uncle_fungus: lol, well I could do one but it wouldn't be much use other than a temp test
michaellarabel: it'd be of use for stability measurements
uncle_fungus: ok, a stresscpu2 profile there will be
Firiban: hi :)
uncle_fungus: hi Firiban
qaridarium: michaellarabel: i think in the etqw-demo bechmark there are no PCIe limitations.. waht is wrong with nexuiz?
michaellarabel: I'd have to take another look at Nexuiz again
copper: It's been infected with the GNU virus
qaridarium: hehe :)
qaridarium: michaellarabel: yes if nexuiz only have an PCIe Limiation nexuiz will be a BAD 3D bechmark,,,
michaellarabel: If you are a member of the forums, PM: SavageX and he may be able to tell you since he's involved with Nexuiz.
copper: hi CME
qaridarium: michaellarabel: i sould Join the forum :-) waht is Going on the the Texture Compression kann do this feature a Chance abaut the PCIe Limitation ?
qaridarium: michaellarabel: i think we need a profil with ultra high and 8AA and 16AF *G*...in nexuiz there is only anoption for HDR
uncle_fungus: michaellarabel: to make this test worthwhile I'm going add cpu.speed as a sensor option so we can watch throttling (which unfortunately my laptop is doing atm)
michaellarabel: uncle_fungus: Okay, that's fine.
uncle_fungus: also, it might be useful to be able to configure the sensor-probe interval to be more frequent
michaellarabel: I'm going to work on a way for threading... so it can be polled every minute or something
uncle_fungus: yeah, because ideally we need polls during the test runs
qaridarium: uncle_fungus: do you test your intel on higher speed in nexuiz now?
uncle_fungus: no, I'm still "working"
michaellarabel: Over the weekend I started working on the plug-in/module architecture for PTS... I will be moving the sensor monitoring out of pts-core and into a module. Once that's been moved into a module, I'll work on the threading support, but for now just add in the cpu.speed.
uncle_fungus: michaellarabel: ok, will do
uncle_fungus: qaridarium: I won't be able to test nexuiz for another 4 hours or so
qaridarium: uncle_fungus: i think the PCIe does make over 8 Frames,,,for me.. standart 100mhz now 143mhz
uncle_fungus: i can test that too if need be
uncle_fungus: btw are you on PCIe1 or 2, my mobo uses 2
qaridarium: my one 1.0 i think..
qaridarium: i think 2.0 are fast entrue
uncle_fungus: ok, although I wouldn't have thought it would make much of a difference since nothing I know of can even saturate a pcie1 x19 link
robotangel: hi there
roberth: i hope the upcoming motherboards with the g45 chipset from intel has decent video outputs
roberth: and have more than two types of output
uncle_fungus: michaellarabel: cpu.speed monitoring http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?p=34889#post34889
uncle_fungus: i need to wait until i get home before i submit the stresscpu2 test as I need to make sure the fail state is detected correctly
michaellarabel: hmmm might cpu.freq be better? I am thinking if fan speed monitoring is added, that it might get confusing.
uncle_fungus: ah, yes ok.
uncle_fungus: its should be pretty easy to add gpu.freq monitoring to that too
uncle_fungus: there's also a nice feature on RV670 that allows for GPU utilisation, which I though about adding to the ati_extension
uncle_fungus: its pretty cool to see how much of the GPU is being used by a 3D app
michaellarabel: that'd be interesting and useful going forward
uncle_fungus: i didn't add it because afaik there's no nvidia equivalent
michaellarabel: that's fine though
uncle_fungus: ok, well i can add it to the current ati_extension without too much difficulty
uncle_fungus: i wonder if there is a *simple* way of retrieving CPU usage too (grepping top maybe). That could be useful for identifying i/o bottlenecks
copper: parse /proc/stat
michaellarabel: Or just using sys_getloadavg() in php :)
uncle_fungus: aye, why make things complicated
copper: well, its smallest unit is one minute
michaellarabel: I just looked through all the NV extensions again and see none for GPU load monitoring., I know it can be done on Windows though.
copper: I need a very small live CD with grub on it
uncle_fungus: the gentoo minimal install cd (50mb) had grub on i believe
uncle_fungus: don't quote me on that though
copper: I'm looking
uncle_fungus: oh, wait, no it doesn't. YOu need to emerge it first
copper: I have an Ubuntu 6.10 CD, hopefully it has grub on it
vadi2: For the GTK gui in PTS, will Glade be used in the development?
michaellarabel: vadi2: I was planning on coding it without Glade or any other tools.
uncle_fungus: php-gtk wasn't it?
michaellarabel: yes, it will use the GTK module for PHP
michaellarabel: with glade or any other*
vadi2: How come? (the no glade. it works in php gtk too)
vadi2: Kinda unrelated, but I recently found 'http://www.kksou.com/php-gtk2' and it's a pretty awesome php gtk site. I use it for some gtk examples heh.
michaellarabel: Does it? At last check I didn't recall seeing PHP supported by Glade
vadi2: It does, yes. According to that site at least
michaellarabel: I'm installing glade right now to check...
vadi2: You can use the gtkbuilder to build your interface, and the latest gtk supports it
vadi2: So you make your interface in glade -> use the gtk converter script (gtk-builder-convert gui.glade gui.xml), and in your program, use GtkBuilder to load the interface
michaellarabel: http://gtk.php.net/manual-lookup.php?q=GtkBuilder doesn't look like GtkBuilder is supported
vadi2: Or you can use glade directly: http://gtk.php.net/manual/en/tutorials.helloglade.php
vadi2: Yeah, looks like so. Still glade works
michaellarabel: I may look at glade then, thanks.
vadi2: eve online has the worst installer I've ever seen.
thalin: vadi2: I assume you mean the linux installer -- it's cedega
michaellarabel: uncle_fungus: Any reason for replicating the processor_frequency() function with your cpu.freq patch instead of just using it?
uncle_fungus: yes, the processor_frequency doesn't read the "current" value, only the max
michaellarabel: oops, yeah, just noticed. Also then changed the initial if statement to scaling_cur_freq since it was left at scaling_max_freq
uncle_fungus: yeah, i just saw that when looking at my patch again, whoops
vadi2: thalin: yeah, I see.
uncle_fungus: bbl all
vadi2: Wow. I just realized that google desktop works.
vadi2: It helps you get out of the full-screen games that you can't alt+tab out of
vadi2: (which is every linux game - 1)
dante_2core: howdy. nice you guys have a channel at last.
maccam94: so when is this channel becoming official? as in getting ops, a topic, etc?
bulletxt: maccam94: we're all waiting for a topic it seems it makes us feel better :D
maccam94: bulletxt: heh
maccam94: a logging bot does not an official channel make
michaellarabel: ( MONITOR=cpu.freq is now supported in PTS git. )
michaellarabel: Hi roy
schestowitz: Hi there. Just mailed you (have a look)
michaellarabel: Great. What is the Boycott Novell IRC channel?
Sam1338: boycotting evil companies ftw
michaellarabel: Should have guessed :)
schestowitz: Well, it's beyong that.
schestowitz: OOXML and Microsoft are of relevance as well.
vadi2: i propose to boycott any companie with >1000 employees
vadi2: because they're all evil, right
vadi2: making profit and whatnot
schestowitz: Red Hat is larger and it hasn't gone down that route.
michaellarabel: Right, all large companies aren't bad...
schestowitz: And it's now an anti-X site (the domain was registered by Shane). It's more of a watch-X site.
Sam1338: Not all large companies are bad.
vadi2: why not? even google is claimed bad.
schestowitz: It's deeds, not scale
vadi2: canonical too
vadi2: although they only have like under 200 people.
Sam1338: Blizzard, Microsoft, Novell, Transgaming. They all are evil.
vadi2: of course.
vadi2: one brought online gaming to millions, other brought computers to millions, other brought compiz to linux, another brought windows gamers to linux
vadi2: purely evil, I tell ya
gnomon: Hush, you with the sense-making and rational defense!
Sam1338: "TransGaming based their product on Wine back in 2002 when Wine had a different license, closed their source code, and rebranded their version as specialized for gamers."
Sam1338: purely evil
vadi2: I know what they did, thanks
bulletxt: vadi2: it's not that if a company has more than 1000 employees it's evil..... you can't count evilness of a company basing on number of emplyees!
vadi2: bulletxt: can too! I got proof, 'cause every company one way or another gets branded 'evil'
bulletxt: vadi2: you are confusing profit = evil and this is crazy!
ajslater: go for 150 employees. you could back it up with dubious social science.
bulletxt: vadi2: evil companies are companies that pay their employees way less than they should
bulletxt: vadi2: or companies that make child work , this is evil!
ajslater: i'm still working. ergo my company is evil.
bulletxt: vadi2: paying a soccer player or an nba player 5-10-20 millions€ is evil.
vadi2: bulletxt: ok, so that's your definition of evil. i'm going by a generic one though
bulletxt: vadi2: well microsoft is evil for 99% of what they do, don't forget though that they make 80.000 people work all over the world. this is reality and we live in a capitalistic world. if you don't like it try to rewrite econmy :)
ajslater: # rm -rf /dev/economy
ajslater: # shit!
vadi2: bulletxt: hey thanks for the tip, but you know what, they're paying 80,000 people wages.
Sam1338: If Microsoft didn't exist, other similar companies would pay those people's wages.
vadi2: and they raised a whole _industry_, alone
vadi2: (virus scanning)
Sam1338: That's an industry we don't want.
ajslater: if microsoft didn't exist, you might not have had as enthusiastic support and contribution for FOSS.
bulletxt: ajax: in fact if M$ didn't exist, we wouldn't be where we are today
bulletxt: ajslater: the sentence was for you :)
m-c: Missed out on getting your slice of the antivirus business? It is not too late to get your business into the new budding antibotnet market >> http://www.networkworld.com/news/2008/010408-anti-bot-vendors.html
tx2rx: hrm, I was looking forward to windows 7, it _could_ have been such a nice clean change :\
ajslater: write some historical geek fiction, where gates ends up not being able to get his company off the ground.
bulletxt: tx2rx: dreams never come true, it's a M$ promise!
ajslater: and we all use VMS
ajslater: ken olsen rules the world with an iron fist.
vadi2: so, beside the everything's evil thing, another funny thing that I find is competition in linux distros. don't you think it's silly to be fighting for the <5% of the market when 90% of it is up for conversion?
bulletxt: vadi2: it's human nature to be selfish and fight between us
ajslater: Academic politics are so nasty because the stakes are so low. -- H. Kissinger
tx2rx: very much so,
bulletxt: vadi2: when there is so much freedom, we end to fight between us, do 100 forks and stuff like that
maccam94: bulletxt: it's a bit late, but if M$ didn't exist, programmers would be more used to sharing code
ajslater: a bazaar would be boring with only one booth.
m-c: vadi2: Not seeing it fighting like Win/Mac/Linux, because it is much easier to switch between linux distributions. It is not like your programs will not run or your hardware will fail when you try out a new distro.
bulletxt: maccam94: not everyone is willing to share code
tx2rx: maccam94: what is to say another corperation wouldn't have filled the void ?
ajslater: yes. rewriting history with one variable ignores the chaotic nature of everything.
m-c: ajslater: that's a great quote
vadi2: m-c: but I mean in the general sense, not end-user sense. everyone is comparing and strouting their distro as being better than the other distro
vadi2: m-c: when, really, that other distro doesn't have a large userbase either.
vadi2: m-c: in the global sense of computing
m-c: I do not see people shouting, actually.
ajslater: some people do in some places.
ajslater: there was a time when gentoo took itself seriously.
tx2rx: vadi2: it depends on the users, I (personally) feel no way obliged to say that my current distro is better than X
ajslater: (says the elitist debian prick)
m-c: I go to linux clubs and I see people sharing information and strategies and working together, regardless of their software preferences.
tx2rx: is a Gentoo user FYI
ajslater: self selected for people who go to clubs
ajslater: Bumper sticker in manhattan: "Life is too short for Gentoo"
bulletxt: maccam94: and don't forget that Google has become what it is because it didn't share it's code, especially the google search engine. is this evil?
vadi2: yep, just search on the net
vadi2: there was random talk of it being evil
bulletxt: vadi2: if you think internet would be the same without google you wrong. especially 2-5 years ago
maccam94: bulletxt, tx2rx: it was before my time, but i think the origins of programming was at universities. code and tools were shared.
tx2rx: to be honest, if it wasn't for Nvidia I would be running with fBSD now :\
vadi2: bulletxt: I'm not thinking that! I'm saying that it's already branded evil
m-c: maccam94: the million dollar mainframes came with all the software code needed to run it
maccam94: m-c: ....mainframes didn't just run. they weren't servers. stuff was done ON the mainframes, which required coding...
bulletxt: vadi2: it seems you hate all companies :)
tx2rx: maccam94: it still is to an extent, BSD, MIT licened code etc. is still passing hands, but, commercial aspects are creeping in,
vadi2: bulletxt: i don't! read my points, lol
vadi2: bulletxt: or enable your sarcasm detector to reverse the decision
ajslater: i'm tellin' those guys that should back up their hatred of organizations with the evolutionary social science that says we evolved to be in tribes of up to 140 max.
m-c: and with the culture of knowledge sharing at universities, combined with companies figuring what harm was there safegaurding code when you needed a million dollar computer to run it, there was a lot of sharing of code
ajslater: then they can join one of the many anarachist clubs in berkeley and watch archism emerge.
maccam94: google fits in with a common theme. there's code, and then i would say there's actual Intellectual Property
maccam94: the virus scanner can keep its definitions secret, just open up the program
tx2rx: in the long term FOSS will win out, except with software as a serivce,
bulletxt: tx2rx: commercial games will never be open source. never.
maccam94: google can keep its algorithm secret, and promote development through its API's
maccam94: games can be OSS
maccam94: the art/music/etc can be secret
bulletxt: maccam94: commercial ones? I don't think so
ajslater: is there a law or something for new forums and channels that predicts the emergence of politics and philosophy over a period time before a real local culture sets in and we all just talk about guns and ATI drivers?
maccam94: as well as cut scenes etc
vadi2: bulletxt: I know a commercial open source game actually, heh
gnomon: ajslater, what, Intel drivers don't make the cut?
tx2rx: bulletxt: maybe, the contents is normally what is really protected,
bulletxt: vadi2: can you see a call of duty 4 open? I cant :)
maccam94: ajslater: chaos in the absence of power
ajslater: I never hear that many complaints about intel drivers.
ajslater: And I'm insane, so I run Ubuntu on a MacBook Pro, so I'm stuck with ATI
vadi2: bulletxt: nope, I just said I know of a game that's oss.
maccam94: software can be open source, and still maintain closed non-code work to make a profit
bulletxt: vadi2: I also saw a cow flying, I don't think all cows will fly tomorrow
vadi2: bulletxt: yeah
tx2rx: bulletxt: the Q3 engine code is open, most games provide the source for the logic code under a closed/restrictive licenese (for mod makers etc.)
m-c: I know of three. :)
gnomon: ajslater, that's not too insane, really.
bulletxt: tx2rx: and qt4 engine?
bulletxt: tx2rx: you don't realize how things work
tx2rx: bulletxt: you mean Q4 ?
bulletxt: tx2rx: a q3 engine could'nt compete commercially with a q4 engine
bulletxt: tx2rx: yes q4
tx2rx: bulletxt: I didn't say it could or that it had to, I suspect in time the Q4 source code will become available,
bulletxt: tx2rx: it will happen after the new closed source come out. and it's normal this happens
bulletxt: tx2rx: and only after some years q5 is out and they are sure q4 isn't commercially harmfull to q5
tx2rx: bulletxt: with reference to my comment about FOSS getting better than tradition software I was more talking about Office suites, and in the meaning that there is a limited field of initative and inventions/inovations,
ajslater: the reason usually given is sexiness.
bulletxt: tx2rx: yes, my point was just to say that not everthing in a commercial world can be open
m-c: I know of three GPL games that are being sold today, that are not just quake-style bargin-bin abandonware.
ajslater: i for instance still run excel in wine.
ajslater: because OOo does not cut it.
ajslater: anything to these linux steam rumours? (i do not game)
m-c: Second Life, D.R.O.D., and Adanaxis - all run on linux, too.
bulletxt: m-c: don't treat second life as a game
vadi2: m-c: SL is hard labour, not a game! ;)
tx2rx: bulletxt: yes, they will exist in markets that that inovate, and to be honest, as long as they keep inovating I do not mind paying for things,
bulletxt: tx2rx: you actually can imagine Final Fantasy to be open?????????????
bulletxt: come one
bulletxt: come on
bulletxt: don't be crazy
tx2rx: bulletxt: Never played it ;-)
bulletxt: a > 1m$ dollar game open that's crazy
tx2rx: uh, where does it say that ?
bulletxt: for me: kernel, drivers and protocols are the only things that MUST be open, the rest is to see where open is a good commercial solution
gnomon: bulletxt, the innovation in the Final Fantasy series is usually not in the tech department, and the art assets would be covered under different IP law. What's so farfetched about the game engine being open?
ajslater: whatever happened to MS paying people to make the BIOS ensure that the OS was "trusted"
gnomon: bulletxt, I'm not saying that the engine *should* be open, only that Squeenix would not be revealing anything critical to the areas in which it competes.
m-c: bulletxt: I agree - open drivers are most important. Go tell that to the Apple Mac guys.
tx2rx: bulletxt: for me nothing really has to be open, I like the ideals of the GPL and the spirt of sharing to improve things, but I would not impose that viewpoint on others,
bulletxt: gnomon: go ask sony why they pay squaresoft millions of dollars to keep it on only ps systems. they'll answer your question
gnomon: ajslater, that's still in effect. Look for any Intel board with a Qxx chipset, or that claims to support vPro.
bulletxt: m-c: i hate apple ;)
ajslater: gnomon: tx
gnomon: bulletxt, that argument, even if it is both completely true and untinged by any further complexity about relations between multinational companies that have values ranging in the billions of dollars, still doesn't support your point.
m-c: They are a powerful community force, regardless. You see a lot of i-macbook at linux conferences.
bulletxt: gnomon: because you seem to not understand why proprietary software guarantees 99% of the times profit
bulletxt: think if square opens their stuff. a super community will come out and do a community final fantasy series
gnomon: bulletxt, "seem not to understand"?
bulletxt: do you think the next ffantasy will sell as before? NO. it wont
gnomon: bulletxt, I work for an investment bank with a market cap in the double billions. About 85% of the software in use therein is open-source, as per the audit two weeks ago.
bulletxt: gnomon: I said another thing related to squaresoft and games
Riotta: glad to hear :D
Riotta: open source > all
gnomon: Riotta, well, also < 15% of some portion of 'all' ;)
bulletxt: gnomon: they wouldn't sell like before if they open things and you know this
gnomon: bulletxt, I think I'm done talking about this topic for now, but I'll continue listening to what you have to say.
bulletxt: gnomon: I simply understand that there are things that MUST be open, other things CAN be open, and other things CAN'T be open. allways in a commercial world of course
ajslater: spice of life.
m-c: So, getting back on the topic. I bought a quad-core AMD system today, with 8 GB of memory. Prices are very reasonable these days.
vadi2: what do you do with 8gb? I upgraded from 2 to 4 and am very sad as I never use more than half of it :(
ajslater: you pay about $2K?
m-c: Lot easier to purchase a system today with the online references, and lot easier to pick one for linux use with phoronix.com
bulletxt: yeah I got an AMD 5600+ dual core for 105€
tx2rx: m-c: what motherboard did you go for ?
ajslater: after being a total nerd about doing my system parts research for years i've realized that i always end up really really close to the Ars System Guide anyway.
m-c: Already had the case and the power supply, so it only cost me a bit over $500
m-c: vadi2 - I am planning on running a couple memory-hungry virtual machines on this system.
bulletxt: m-c: compile with make -j5 and you'll see 4cpu work together like hell :D
vadi2: m-c: oh
m-c: tx2rx: Asus M3A Motherboard - AMD 770 with AM2+ socket
m-c: bulletxt: thanks for the advice!
bulletxt: m-c: ;)
ajslater: new asus board have that splash stuff?
m-c: no - no splash feature
ajslater: more useful on a notebook really.
m-c: I think just the one mainboard reviewed on phoronix does, at this time.
m-c: I was looking for that feature.
rvalles: tried nouveau+gallium3d earlier
rvalles: quite good, it even ran wine + touhou games at full framerate. :)
michaellarabel: ASUS is massively expanding their SplashTop selection
vadi2: I sure hope it pays off
m-c: Well, somewhat based on your coverage at Phoronix, and somewhat based on my recent discussions with their engineers and seeing the Eee, I decided that Asus seems really behind supporting Linux desktops. I only looked at Asus mainboards for my purchase today.
christian_: mhh..the new eee will be shipped with xp :-(
vadi2: m-c: you should've seen the furor when asus forgot to release some source code they modified in eeepc. it was so funny
christian_: but who cares..the new acer apsire one is much cheaper and better
m-c: clicks refresh on the shipment tracking information webpage.
ajslater: m-c: good thought. re: supporting asus for their work.
rvalles: not interested in splashtop
rvalles: unless they give me complete control of it or something
christian_: anybody else here interested in steam for linux ?
rvalles: as it is, it's _their_ splashtop
m-c: christian_: I just spent a couple days on the phone with MSI support asking why there was no way to flash the bios without windows, so I am all about buying from someone supporting linux today.
rvalles: no, it doesn't really matter if it's linux or windows or what.
christian_: yeah..right decision
ajslater: me neither really. but, but their interest in linux is enough for me to prefer their technically comprably products on principle.
rvalles: m-c: weird, no msdos?
christian_: dell has also nice linux support
njdoyle: christian_, steam for linux would be nice if it is actually happening
rvalles: m-c: the normal procedure is to take a vanilla floppy image, put the flasher and rom on it and then load it from grub + memdisk
rvalles: (no floppy drive needed)
rvalles: vanilla floppy image I meant freedos boot floppy image.
christian_: njdoyle i would be really happying for knowing what michael is knwoing :-)
njdoyle: christian_, same for sure
m-c: rvalles: There was issue with my configuration and that typical process, but my point is that I am not wanting to deal with a vendor again who tells me linux is not supported.
njdoyle: I was going to buy Orange Box for PS3 but then I read that article and figure it might be worth while to hold off and see what happens
rvalles: m-c: there's gigabyte, too
rvalles: all I've heard about asus recently is bad stuff; gigabyte remains trusty at about same costs
rvalles: and explicitly supports linux
m-c: What has Gigabyte done for linux lately?
rvalles: (and that's not just "having a linux-based propietary splashtop thing you can't modify or touch" but making sure their boards work well on linux)
Ivanovic: m-c: what is your system meant to be for, amd based or intel based?
Ivanovic: if it is intel based: go for gigabyte boards, they are reference there
rvalles: m-c: if so, what has asus done?
rvalles: really, nothing
christian_: michaellarabel: do you think you can announce steam for linux news within this year :-) ?
m-c: Asus has a developers dedicated to kernel patches, so I am told.
christian_: m-c: really ?
Ivanovic: asus has some *really* bad history regarding linux support (that is stating clearly "we don't care if it does not work on linux")
rvalles: really bad.
rvalles: they only talk about linux at all recently
Ivanovic: lately it is getting better due to their need with eeepc
rvalles: because it'd allow them to sell more (splashtop crap)
christian_: all i can says is that my gigabyte board runs fine
Ivanovic: but their history is bad
rvalles: or to get nicer margins of profit (eee...)
vadi2: Ivanovic: you're talking as if you have the luxury if declining OEMs, hehe
Ivanovic: vadi2: i talk about official stuff from asus when users reported problems with linux and their mainboards for *retrail* boards
Ivanovic: taking a shower now, cu
bulletxt: it's time for me to see my country play football :D c ya later
m-c: What do you guys think of all the closed wifi drivers? You know of the requirement by the FCC for manufactures to not make it easy to tune the transmission settings of a radio device?
vadi2: m-c: as long as it works, i'm happy.
ajslater: if we have control of our own machines the terrorists will win.
vadi2: related because the game has a native linux client, but read this: http://blog.wired.com/games/2008/05/penny-arcade-ba.html. the company took a trolls comments and put them on ads, haha
ajslater: $199 for the 3G iphone.
dante_2core: hell frickin yea, iphone 3G for 200.-
ajslater: There are now No Other Phones.
dante_2core: ajslater, sittin' on engadget and hitting the refresh button? ^^
dante_2core: oh k
dante_2core: all the other smartphones just died.
mcgreg: I think you should add some topic like .> http://www.phoronix.com/ at least so ppl not knowing whats this channel about can have a look themself
michaellarabel: mcgreg: It will be, once ajax adjusts it.
mcgreg: michaellarabel: well, you can simply set it, there is no channelmode +t" .. so far. and ajax can "adjust" it later
Ivanovic: michaellarabel: maybe ajax can just change the chan ownership over to you and/or give you the chans chanserv password
vadi2: what does everyone think of the coming soon MID's?
ajslater: i don't know what a MID is.
vadi2: look at wikipedia
vadi2: i think intel stuck a very good tune with them - I've never been interested in mobiles, but see myself getting one. they're like those ps2's (I think), but for adults
vadi2: and you can actually carry them around and work on the go, unlike a laptop, no matter how small is that. and it's bigger than a pda/cellphone
ajslater: probably worth it. i've considered and eeepc. fixing servers while at a club on an iphone is teh suxor
vadi2: but you can't use an eeepc while standing in a line or on a crowded bus and whatnot. while you can hold and use an mid in your hands
vadi2: hence why I think they're so good
starkmjolk: vadi2: I'm really looking forward to them, especially gigabyte m528
starkmjolk: I was considering a n810 and almost got one, but thinking it might lack some of the functionality I'd like to have in such a device
vadi2: starkmjolk: yep, me too
starkmjolk: vadi2: have you heard any further news about pricing and availability since computex?
vadi2: not yet
starkmjolk: I thought gigabyte had said there would be a more formal announcement, but haven't seen it yet
starkmjolk: if the price is right I'll order one asap, would be one of my best friends this summer, I might even get a tan :P
vadi2: well, mark shuttleworth on his blog said there are multiple oem's working with the umpc, so I'm waiting until they all put their cards up
vadi2: would be a bit silly to go for the first one and then see another one give a better offer
starkmjolk: there is always a better offer around the corner. the platform is the same, so battery time/power consumption cannot change much
starkmjolk: I'd like a 1024x600 res screen, but then my eyes can hardly handle it so I'd like better eyes to go with that :P
vadi2: you'll be fine I think, the fonts and everything there are super-sized
starkmjolk: yeh, but I don't think it would give me a benefit over the 800x480 found on the ones already announced
barde: hi there
starkmjolk: is there a bot linking to new phoronix articles in here? would be a good idea I think :)
starkmjolk: I'll act as it for this once: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu_netbook_remix
qaridarium: uncle_fungus:huhu now you are at home ?
uncle_fungus: yes,and I've run some tests, Ijsut need to upload them
qaridarium: ok cool :)
uncle_fungus: ram bandwidth made no difference
qaridarium: uncle_fungus: i hope you kick the miracle out and bring some light in it
uncle_fungus: pcie gave me +1fps at 110mhz
uncle_fungus: just a sec, i need to move the results from 1 machine to another so i can upload them
qaridarium: do you have PCIe1.0 or 2.0 ?
qaridarium: then it sould not do any diverense
uncle_fungus: no, and it doesn't ;)
qaridarium: i think i have PCIe1.0
qaridarium: but now on 143mhz nexuiz 68 frames!
uncle_fungus: that still shouldn't make a difference, unless nexuiz is the only app in the world that will saturate a x16 link,which i doubt
qaridarium: uncle_fungus: yes...
qaridarium: so what is the problem what is wrong with nexuiz ?
uncle_fungus: read and weep ;) http://global.phoronix-test-suite.com/index.php?k=profile&u=unclefungus-7828-27399-19082
uncle_fungus: aargh, the machine name have been truncated.
qaridarium: o yes
Ivanovic: uncle_fungus: uhm, this board is pcie 1x
Ivanovic: the first 2.0 boards were from the 4x series IIRC
uncle_fungus: from left to right is: 2.4ghz ddr2-800, 3.3ghz ddr2-878, 3.3ghz ddr2-732, 3.3ghz ddr2-878 pcie-110
Ivanovic: or is just the motherboard detection wrong?
qaridarium: uncle_fungus: yes nice..
Ivanovic: and you got an x38 board?
uncle_fungus: no, its a P35 so yes, you're right.
uncle_fungus: ccc is lying to me ;)
uncle_fungus: well sort of anyway
qaridarium: uncle_fungus: i think PCIe 1.0 is limitation @ 110mhz i habe 143mhz on PCIe
Ivanovic: the *graphics card* is pcie2.0
uncle_fungus: Ivanovic: yes
uncle_fungus: unfortunately upping the pcie bandwidth much more causes the machine to fail to post
uncle_fungus: which is why there are no higher results
uncle_fungus: but +1fps for a 10% increase is pretty poor however you look at it, it's well within experimental error
qaridarium: i think PCIe 110mhz limits@ 79 FPS
qaridarium: i have +6 frames...
qaridarium: and my CPU is Poor again your CPU
uncle_fungus: the problem on my board appears to be the sata controller not being able to handle the high pcie frequency
qaridarium: ok ok no problem..
qaridarium: you have the highest rang..
uncle_fungus: at higher frequencies it doesn't spin up the drives
uncle_fungus: for now ;)
M1AU: hi there o/
uncle_fungus: hi M1AU
qaridarium: uncle_fungus: i think i can beat them but only with hartware upgrade,, becourse my mainboard can not handle the free multiplikator from my cpu
uncle_fungus: yeah, you just need to be able to get a few more mhz out of the cpu
uncle_fungus: unless you hit the pcie bottleneck again
qaridarium: is there a option in linux to set the multiplier manualie if the cpu supports this and the mainbord bios not ?
uncle_fungus: no that I know of, but I haven't really looked
qaridarium: uncle_fungus: yes thats the Question...
qaridarium: uncle_fungus: i have a super CPU.. Like FX or Black Edition.. but my Mainboard is impedes FUCK ASUS *G*
uncle_fungus: lol, the intel board I've got atm in ASUS
qaridarium: uncle_fungus: only desktop boards have overclocking features.. this is an workstation/server mainboard
qaridarium: but i will Buy an Opteron8224 so i think this one will rock the Nexuiz house..
uncle_fungus: then you know what you need to get then ;)
qaridarium: 700-800MHZ more on my system :)
qaridarium: in ebay there are some cheap one..
qaridarium: in big servers there upgrade to the K10 2,5ghz
vadi2: I myself got really sad at my $300 upgrade from a dualcore 1.5ghz to a dualcore 2.2ghz, because one night I set the cpu preferences to "maximum power settings", forgot about that, went all day on it, and only discovered in the evening when some games were laggy. What a waste of money :(
qaridarium: vadi2: oh--mhz do only make a sentence on some CPUs,. 1,5ghz celeron or P4 again a core2duo 2,2ghz will rock the house.. but yes 2,2ghz not so strong on all CPUs
vadi2: well, lesson learnt
qaridarium: bechmark your system on nexuiz
qaridarium: this is the best system for this.. http://global.phoronix-test-suite.com/index.php?k=profile&u=unclefungus-7828-27399-19082
vadi2: Ok, I'll run that test in a bit.
qaridarium: vadi2:this is my system http://global.phoronix-test-suite.com/index.php?k=profile&u=qaridarium-29889-27418-3095
starkmjolk: g'night :)
vadi2: michaellarabel: I think the mime type reporting for the .debs is broken on the phoronix-test-suite.com
vadi2: it reports "text/plain" for a .deb. kinda annoying because that confuses firefox
uncle_fungus: works fine for me
uncle_fungus: in firefox
vadi2: well, my firefox wants to save the .deb instead of opening. but when the mime is set right it opens it
uncle_fungus: the mime type I get is "Debian package"
vadi2: *shrug* that's what wget told me
uncle_fungus: which presumably is x-application/deb
vadi2: vadi@ubuntu-laptop:~$ wget http://www.phoronix-test-suite.com/releases/deb/phoronix-test-suite_1.0.0_all.deb
vadi2: Length: 246,596 (241K) [text/plain]
qaridarium: uncle_fungus: i think its funny the fastest K10 lose again a normal K8 cpu... in the nexuiz bechmark..
uncle_fungus: vadi2: yeah i get that in wget too, odd
qaridarium: uncle_fungus: look at this.. http://global.phoronix-test-suite.com/index.php?k=profile&u=dougztr-5784-24050-17876
uncle_fungus: i would suggest there is some other odd behaviour going on in the nexuiz benchmark
uncle_fungus: i'm tempted to fire up my old opteron 146 @ 2.8GHz and see what it can do
uncle_fungus: that will have to wait for another day though
qaridarium: why nexuiz is only singlecore? the quake3 engine has dualcore or not ?
m4rku5: hi Anteru ;P
Anteru: Hi m4rku5
uncle_fungus: michaellarabel: stresscpu2 profile: http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?p=34924#post34924
michaellarabel: How long should this test run?
vadi2: what if one of those space articles goes through the cpu during the test though?
uncle_fungus: there are 5 options, 5min, 30min, 1h, 6h, 12h. Only 6 and 12 are good for proper stress testing
uncle_fungus: the others are only useful for getting your CPU really hot
uncle_fungus: except if your system is very unstable, in which case it would crash even with the 5min test
michaellarabel: yeah, just noticed the time options :)
uncle_fungus: vadi2: the test would fail as it should, since a mathematical error has occurred
vadi2: it would be wrong then! :(
uncle_fungus: admittedly the instability was caused by cosmic rays, but its still instability
uncle_fungus: the likelihood is extremely low
Ivanovic: uncle_fungus: unless you travel in an aircraft while doing the test
uncle_fungus: yeah, if you want to have a battery life of less than the length of the test ;)
Ivanovic: when in an aircraft, chances are rather good that you get >=1 hit while eg flying from europe over to the us
uncle_fungus: which is why you should never do anything critical while flying in a plane ;)
uncle_fungus: certainly not anything that requires precision math
acehole: I think everything I own /attracts/ cosmic rays
Ivanovic: and chuck norris *is* cosmic ray!
acehole: nah. Chuck Norris biffed a cosmic ray in the head
uncle_fungus: lol, no chuck norris could drop kick a cosmic ray
uncle_fungus: damn beaten to the punch
uncle_fungus: pun intended
michaellarabel: Now in git, plus I've added the profile to use SupportedArchitectures and $OS_ARCH within the install.sh
uncle_fungus: ah ok, cool
Ivanovic: i am currently running a better stress test:
uncle_fungus: now to sort out gpu.usage
Ivanovic: the upgrade from gcc 4.2.x to 4.3.x
Ivanovic: emerge -e system && emerge -e world
uncle_fungus: stress for who, you or the computer?
Ivanovic: will keep my system busy for a while...
Ivanovic: lets see when it is done with everything, probably it won't be ready when i got to leave to uni tomorrow (basically in 12h)
Ivanovic: time for me to head off to bed, n8
uncle_fungus: has anyone else tried ut2004's timedemo ability. I tried writing a profile for it, but the game binary just segfaults if you load a timedemo from the console
uncle_fungus: it works fine from within the game itself
Ivanovic: uncle_fungus: the "normal stuff" that is flyby works as expected
Ivanovic: the botmatch does not (for me)
michaellarabel: same here, flyby will work fine
Ivanovic: i already mailed michaellarabel the files for benchmarking
uncle_fungus: ah ok
Ivanovic: the strange thing is with botmatches, you are still able to normally move/fight, you are not doided
michaellarabel: uncle_fungus: Want to see Ivanovic's files?
uncle_fungus: i take it you used ut2003's benchmark folder?
Ivanovic: uncle_fungus: basically yes
uncle_fungus: i could take a look, yes
Ivanovic: uncle_fungus: i took the files from utmark
uncle_fungus: yeah i had a look at that too
Ivanovic: and modified them a little for the 2k4demo
michaellarabel: Ivanovic, I just sent uncle_fungus your scripts
uncle_fungus: i still con't work out what's wrong with the botmatch though
Ivanovic: no difference at all in the result, maybe you find something
michaellarabel: Ivanovic: To your fahmon address
uncle_fungus: although botmatch is limited by CPU in a big way
Ivanovic: michaellarabel: uhm, i don't have a fahmon adress, you mean uncle_fungus probably...
Ivanovic: uncle_fungus: the whole game is limited by cpu... (at least nowadays with the really fast gpus)
uncle_fungus: michaellarabel: ok got it, thanks
uncle_fungus: yah, bot botmatch is worse
uncle_fungus: i though you were off to bed?
Ivanovic: it would be *really* great to have a ut2k4 benchmark profile...
Ivanovic: uncle_fungus: sleep chatting
Ivanovic: i am famous for this in the wesnoth chans
Ivanovic: especially after announcing a new stable release
Ivanovic: michaellarabel: maybe you want to post a news about 1.4.3?
uncle_fungus: well, I reckon the ut2k4demo benchies should work with ut2004 without much trouble
Ivanovic: uncle_fungus: yes, they should
uncle_fungus: oh wait, you've done that already
vadi2: Ivanovic: are you a wesnoth dev guy?
Ivanovic: though for my initial tests i have taken the 2k3 files and the "old maps" still exist in the full version, so i just used those for initial stuff
Ivanovic: vadi2: jepp
vadi2: Ivanovic: cool. one question, why isn't linux supported on the website?
uncle_fungus: Ivanovic: are you wanting to create the ut2k4 profile? otherwise I can hack them up into one
Ivanovic: vadi2: it is
Ivanovic: vadi2: "source code"
vadi2: Ivanovic: gee, thanks.
Ivanovic: beside this: hey, your distribution probably has a binary, too
uncle_fungus: getting hold of the actual demo file is annoying though, since lots of them on the internet are corrupted
vadi2: Ivanovic: awesome support. appreciated
Ivanovic: uncle_fungus: just use the gentoo mirrors, they work perfectly
uncle_fungus: do they just have the installer as a gz or bz file?
Ivanovic: uncle_fungus: no, i don't plan to create the profile
uncle_fungus: ok, I'll see what I can put together
uncle_fungus: ok, yeah thats the one
Ivanovic: File: ut2004-lnx-demo3334.run 282179 KB 12.10.2004 00:00:00
uncle_fungus: i had to download it from fileplanet. It was the only place I could find that had the 3334 patch uncorrupted
Ivanovic: some servers for a mirror list (though they are all german centric...):
Ivanovic: ftp://ftp.gentoo.mesh-solutions.com/gentoo/ http://mirror.muntinternet.net/pub/gentoo/ http://linux.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/download/gentoo-mirror/ http://ftp.uni-erlangen.de/pub/mirrors/gentoo http://mirrors.sec.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de/gentoo/ http://mirror.switch.ch/ftp/mirror/gentoo/ http://mirror.qubenet.net/mirror/gentoo/ http://ftp-stud.fht-esslingen.de/pub/Mirrors/gentoo/ ftp://pandemonium.tiscali.de/pub/gentoo/ http://ftp.snt.
uncle_fungus: the unrealtournament2003.com website is hosting a corrupt copy, which doesn't help
Ivanovic: the path will be the same for all the gentoo mirrors, that is somthing with gentoo/distfiles/ut2004-lnx-demo3334.run
copper: Windows is STUPID
Ivanovic: (i know that it is not nice to the gentoo folks to use their mirrors for this stuff, but there is basically no other place (i was able to find) which has the (working) file...
Ivanovic: copper: right you are...
copper: it refuses to install itself unless the first partition of the first drive in the list is a windows partition
copper: I had to physically unplug the first HDD in order to install windows on the second HDD
copper: I was also reminded of the joys of rebooting after each driver installation
Ivanovic: copper: why do you install it at all?!?
copper: games and windows-only codecs
copper: (like TAK, lossyWAV)
Ivanovic: windows only codec stuff works nicely in a vitrual machine
Ivanovic: okay, games are a problem once you come to "real 3d games"
copper: also the fact that my DVD-RW drive is showing signs of imminent death doesn't help
copper: I hate optical media. WE HATES IT.
Ivanovic: for linux i would suggest using a network based installation
Ivanovic: but for windows i can only recommend: destroy the media...
copper: anyway, now I have two more partitions to use. Gonna install Arch linux this week.
vadi2: copper: watch out, there are people in the room who explode at a mention of non-free codecs
copper: they are free, they just don't have unix ports yet.
copper: sorry, Free, as in Free Speech
vadi2: ah, interesting
Ivanovic: uah, compiling gcc-4.3.1 takes ages on my tablet (c2d 1.5GHz)
DarkDefender: openoffice takes ages to compile :P
dashcloud: is anyone else seeing the ad that makes a sound? it's one of those "you are a winner" things
copper: I have adblock-plus and no flash plugin, so no
copper: Installing Windows exhausted me. I'm going to bed. G'night all.
tsuru: good morning all
vadi2: Does anyone know of a tool for 'profiling' xorg or compiz to see which apps are making them redraw too often?
vadi2: Sometimes I enable some gtk theme or something that abuses my cpu badly, and it takes me a while to figure out what's doing it
rvalles: funky: hey ;P
rvalles: funky: you haven't been @jabber much laterly
gQuigs: anyone else having an issue create a PTS global account?
gQuigs: I have a "+" in my email address :/
redeeman: gQuigs: when i signed up, long time ago, i got the email, and activated, but i couldnt login
gQuigs: so.. you can't do anything still?
redeeman: yes, michael gave me the correct returncode from the "login" call, and i manually put it into the configuration file