Cool, i guess Wayland is even more irrelevant for Ubuntu now
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Originally posted by Vim_User View PostThere are technical reasons why no WM/DE except Unity can support Mir properly, see Martin Gr??lin's blog. So Mir will never be a proper replacement for X, simply because of the same reasons you used as argument against Wayland: Mir can not do anything that X can do, it lacks specifically one very important, if not the most important, feature: It can't be supported by other DEs as Unity and a single DE solution can never be a replacement for X.
In summary, it isn't so much about whether or not we the linux community think Mir can or should replace X - if Ubuntu and its derivatives remain the most popular distro across all desktop/mobile CPU platforms, drivers developed by corporations are going to be geared toward Mir.
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Originally posted by schmidtbag View PostI thought gnome and xfce worked on mir? I know KDE isn't ever going to be supported, but I think you're missing the big picture - I'm not saying mir is or will be a viable X replacement, but if mir gets enough popularity, (proprietary) driver devs will focus on supporting mir INSTEAD of wayland.
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Originally posted by schmidtbag View Postif mir gets enough popularity, (proprietary) driver devs will focus on supporting mir INSTEAD of wayland. Linux gets the bare minimum attention from AMD and Nvidia, and I'm pretty sure they are not willing to create drivers for X, mir, and wayland at the same time. If mir eventually has the ability to obsolete X (in the eyes of driver devs), there is no reason for AMD and Nvidia to support X anymore. That leaves DEs like KDE with no proprietary driver updates; only access to open source drivers, which are not always good enough. This of course is after a span of several years from now. That being said, the open source drivers might be good enough to replace the proprietary by that time, so then there's nothing to worry about.
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Originally posted by schmidtbag View PostI thought gnome and xfce worked on mir?
Canonical mentioned initially towards GNOME that Mir is not intended to be used for anything other than Unity. A few months later they questioned why we weren't working on Mir, while at the same time repeating that Mir is intended for Unity. In any case, Mir is Ubuntu-only. We've been working on Wayland for a long time. It is very difficult to plan with Mir. Wayland is what we originally intended, it is pretty easy to go with that.
PS: XMir is basically XWayland btw
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Originally posted by GreatEmerald View PostNo, that's not how it works, thankfully. Both Mir and Wayland just need EGL and nothing else.
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Originally posted by schmidtbag View PostIf mir eventually has the ability to obsolete X (in the eyes of driver devs), there is no reason for AMD and Nvidia to support X anymore.
But nvidia and amd are not going to need to care, they are only going to need to support EGL and a few extensions.
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