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Originally posted by btet View PostLinux is all about choice, right?
Ubuntu is a choice. Mir is a choice. It's not like Microsoft where you have to accept what's offered.
The way I see it is this: Linux offers an alternative to Windows. Ubuntu offers an alternative for those who favor ease of operation. Mint offers an alternative to Ubuntu. So do dozens of other Ubuntu derivatives, recognized and unrecognized by Canonical (Mint, btw, is not recognized). Debian, Fedora, OpenSUSE, Cent, Arch, PC Linux OS, etc. offer an alternative outside the Ubuntu universe.
If you don't like Ubuntu, don't use it. But a lot of people like it. Most who use it didn't get it pre-installed, they chose to download and install it themselves. National governments are switching their entire computer operations over to Ubuntu. That's quite an achievement, especially since it didn't involve M$-style coercion, but rather a combination of creating a user-friendly version of Linux and savvy marketing.
But like I said, ditch it if it's not for you. Just don't drop a turd on everyone who likes Ubuntu just because you don't. Use and let use. We're not preventing you from using your favorite distro. And if Canonical ends up making an unholy mess out of Ubuntu, they won't be able to prevent anyone from switching to Mint or Debian or Crunchbang or even Easy Peasy. Which is probably why they won't make an unholy mess out of it - not if they want to survive.
As for Canonical not using a Real Linux display manager - what is Real Linux, anyway? Linux is the kernel. The rest is all GNU or other add-ons. Or is it more of an idea? One where if everyone doesn't get their two cents in it's not "Real Linux"? Linux is a community, but it's a fractal one and has been from the start. The idea is that you can stick with the choices available, offer your own improvements to them, or reject the available choices outright and strike out to create your own.
Or you can bitch about it on the internet using false comparisons and flimsy logic.
Your choice.
If you had the balls to, I can guarantee you'd get utterly smashed with your "false comparisons & flimsy logic".
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Originally posted by jalyst View PostNice -rude- necro, how about engaging in debate when a thread's still "well & truly" active.
If you had the balls to, I can guarantee you'd get utterly smashed with your "false comparisons & flimsy logic".
2) I thought this was a forum for people to discuss Linux, not to deal with personal inadequacy issues by anonymously "smashing" people on the internet. You might want to try Open Arena for that.
But after reading through some of these threads here, it seems that's exactly what a lot of you like to use this forum for. Handing it back to you now. Enjoy.
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Originally posted by btet View PostLinux is all about choice, right?
Originally posted by btet View PostUbuntu is a choice. Mir is a choice. It's not like Microsoft where you have to accept what's offered.
Originally posted by btet View PostThe way I see it is this: Linux offers an alternative to Windows. Ubuntu offers an alternative for those who favor ease of operation. Mint offers an alternative to Ubuntu. So do dozens of other Ubuntu derivatives, recognized and unrecognized by Canonical (Mint, btw, is not recognized). Debian, Fedora, OpenSUSE, Cent, Arch, PC Linux OS, etc. offer an alternative outside the Ubuntu universe.
Originally posted by btet View PostIf you don't like Ubuntu, don't use it. But a lot of people like it. Most who use it didn't get it pre-installed, they chose to download and install it themselves. National governments are switching their entire computer operations over to Ubuntu. That's quite an achievement, especially since it didn't involve M$-style coercion, but rather a combination of creating a user-friendly version of Linux and savvy marketing.
wow, what an amazing feat for Canonical; a slew of gov'ts and other institutions were using Linux *years before* Ubuntu even existed
Originally posted by btet View PostBut like I said, ditch it if it's not for you. Just don't drop a turd on everyone who likes Ubuntu just because you don't. Use and let use. We're not preventing you from using your favorite distro. And if Canonical ends up making an unholy mess out of Ubuntu, they won't be able to prevent anyone from switching to Mint or Debian or Crunchbang or even Easy Peasy. Which is probably why they won't make an unholy mess out of it - not if they want to survive.
Originally posted by btet View PostAs for Canonical not using a Real Linux display manager - what is Real Linux, anyway? Linux is the kernel. The rest is all GNU or other add-ons. Or is it more of an idea? One where if everyone doesn't get their two cents in it's not "Real Linux"? Linux is a community, but it's a fractal one and has been from the start. The idea is that you can stick with the choices available, offer your own improvements to them, or reject the available choices outright and strike out to create your own.
Originally posted by btet View PostOr you can bitch about it on the internet using false comparisons and flimsy logic.
yeah.... :\
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Originally posted by btet View Post1) I didn't even know about this forum until yesterday.
2) I thought this was a forum for people to discuss Linux, not to deal with personal inadequacy issues by anonymously "smashing" people on the internet. You might want to try Open Arena for that.
But after reading through some of these threads here, it seems that's exactly what a lot of you like to use this forum for. Handing it back to you now. Enjoy.
Anyway, lets keep this thread dead shall we, as was always meant to be the case...Last edited by jalyst; 01 July 2013, 03:33 AM.
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Originally posted by Vim_User View PostSoftware might run on Ubuntu, when they maintain a working Wayland version. I really doubt that KDE, Gnome, XFCE, Enlightenment, ..., adapt to a display server that can break for them anytime because Canonical doesn't care for other DEs and develops Mir with Unity only in mind. Ubuntu will fail, in the same way Windows will fail because of bad decisions, although they are the face of desktop computing and the most popular OS on desktops.
Wayland is the future, either you like it or not. Anything that can't run on Wayland will cease to exist sooner or later.
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Originally posted by king.808z View Postandroid went with surfaceflinger but it fail?
ubuntu will be in a league of its own, it will prob be more userfriendly because they will have control of everything going on in ubuntu.
ubuntu will have a better chance going against windows like this than with wayland.
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