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  • Originally posted by Honton View Post
    Competing with OSX requires corporate support. The only DEs with this kind of backing are Unity and Gnome. Unity is already commercialised by Canonical leaving Gnome as the most viable DE out there. Considering Red Hat is not heavily involved in commercialising the Linux desktop this could be pulled of by others. Gnome 3.8 is out there and further development and maintenance are lost cost due to piggy backing on RHEL7.
    Not at all, you need, a eyecandy( not shits like ambiance or adwaita), easy ( not strange new paradigms of desktops..), stable and fast DE, and now, unity and gnome aren't eyecandy,easy,fast and stable on Linux, for now, are only a inteteresting experience, but nothing more.

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    • Originally posted by Honton View Post
      Personal opion has no relevancy. And you completely missed the point about Red Hat is doing the heavy lifting through RHEL7. Gnome3.8 WILL be out there ready to face high demanding and paying customers. Sure you can add a theme and some extensions but the majority of work is already done.
      It's not my opinion, is the opinion of 7,09% ot computer market share

      Tracks the Usage Share of Search Engines, Browsers and Operating Systems including Mobile from over 5 billion monthly page views.


      if you want to fight with the shit of windows , it's different

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      • Originally posted by pandev92 View Post
        It's not my opinion, is the opinion of 7,09% ot computer market share

        Tracks the Usage Share of Search Engines, Browsers and Operating Systems including Mobile from over 5 billion monthly page views.


        if you want to fight with the shit of windows , it's different
        Link is broken, your 7,09% of market share is non-existant. Try better next time.

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        • Originally posted by ворот93 View Post
          Link is broken, your 7,09% of market share is non-existant. Try better next time.
          the link is not broken

          but if you want more




          more of 10%

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          • Originally posted by pandev92 View Post
            the link is not broken

            but if you want more




            more of 10%
            I don't get your point, Linux has 1,22% according to that graph, Mac has 13,05%

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            • Originally posted by ворот93 View Post
              I don't get your point, Linux has 1,22% according to that graph, Mac has 13,05%
              What I mean, is that neither gnome nor unity are two desks that can attract a mac user, or are better than the mac desktop, there are so unfryendly compared to osx.

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              • Originally posted by pandev92 View Post
                What I mean, is that neither gnome nor unity are two desks that can attract a mac user, or are better than the mac desktop, there are so unfryendly compared to osx.
                The thing about Mac is at it is a all-in-one solution. You have both Hardware that looks like Future and software that does not lag behind. Ubuntu needs something like that as well.

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                • Originally posted by ворот93 View Post
                  KDE 4 is a disaster. Now with Nepomuk and Akonadi that don't work 90% of the time and are incredibly laggy.
                  well, you are partially right here, in ubuntu for some reason this is true but in gentoo[which use vanilla code obviously] is fluid and unnoticeable, in fact i just checked my 2 gentoo boxes and both had nepomuk full index on all this months and i totally forgot to disable it, on the other hand in ubuntu after few mins of indexing the machine start to ask for help and forgiveness.

                  i heard Arch and opensuse are the same so i guess is an out of tree patch that fuck it up but i just don't care about ubuntu enough anymore to track the origin of it[canonical wonderboys or canonical using an 3rd party patch that didn't make it to tree]

                  another things i realized is

                  1. smb2+AD/dolphin bugs don't apply to gentoo
                  2. plasma widget crashes don't happen in gentoo
                  3. lancelot works wonderfully in gentoo while ubuntu show corruption/slowness sometimes
                  4. akonadi works peachy with kontact since 4.8 series in gentoo
                  5. fish kio with ssh 2048+ keys dont take 10m to log in gentoo
                  6. in gentoo i can't notice framedrop if im using composite in fullscreen
                  7. samba4 with s3fs module works perfectly fine with gentoo but in ubuntu you need to go back to +smb or it wont work[i emerged same ubuntu version ofc]
                  8. nepomuk search of files and mails from menu or lancelot is instantaneous in gentoo with ubuntu you get delay
                  9. and well many other glitches i found only or mostly exist with ubuntu but not in gentoo/others

                  meaning if you wanna judge or try seriously KDE SC don't do it with ubuntu because is very broken, so opensuse or gentoo/arch are the way to go, now about why that happens well someone will have to track the source debs and f ind out what patches are including the wonderboys

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                  • Originally posted by Honton View Post
                    Please be realistic. Red Hat employs a KDE guy who did some work at EDS, he is now onto other duties. That is not corporate backing. Red Hat have always been diverse and that is not gonna change. Singling out that guy and looking past the 10 similar Gnome developers in Brno is not fair.

                    Blue systems? That is a CS drop-out having fun spending his share of the family trust fund. No business plan, just fun. Next month he might lay off the few developers and buy a yarcht to sail the Caribbian.
                    You could say the same thing about the first five years for mark shuttlewoth and Ubuntu.

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                    • Originally posted by jrch2k8 View Post
                      well, you are partially right here, in ubuntu for some reason this is true but in gentoo[which use vanilla code obviously] is fluid and unnoticeable, in fact i just checked my 2 gentoo boxes and both had nepomuk full index on all this months and i totally forgot to disable it, on the other hand in ubuntu after few mins of indexing the machine start to ask for help and forgiveness.

                      i heard Arch and opensuse are the same so i guess is an out of tree patch that fuck it up but i just don't care about ubuntu enough anymore to track the origin of it[canonical wonderboys or canonical using an 3rd party patch that didn't make it to tree]

                      another things i realized is

                      1. smb2+AD/dolphin bugs don't apply to gentoo
                      2. plasma widget crashes don't happen in gentoo
                      3. lancelot works wonderfully in gentoo while ubuntu show corruption/slowness sometimes
                      4. akonadi works peachy with kontact since 4.8 series in gentoo
                      5. fish kio with ssh 2048+ keys dont take 10m to log in gentoo
                      6. in gentoo i can't notice framedrop if im using composite in fullscreen
                      7. samba4 with s3fs module works perfectly fine with gentoo but in ubuntu you need to go back to +smb or it wont work[i emerged same ubuntu version ofc]
                      8. nepomuk search of files and mails from menu or lancelot is instantaneous in gentoo with ubuntu you get delay
                      9. and well many other glitches i found only or mostly exist with ubuntu but not in gentoo/others

                      meaning if you wanna judge or try seriously KDE SC don't do it with ubuntu because is very broken, so opensuse or gentoo/arch are the way to go, now about why that happens well someone will have to track the source debs and f ind out what patches are including the wonderboys
                      Arch breaks with updates every now and then. systemd transition is enough for me to steer clear.
                      openSUSE is very buggy. KDE builds may be better but hardware drivers work awful. I steer clear at least until they get HP printer support fixed.
                      And I am NOT going to spend days compiling KDE on Gentoo (on my Core i7-920 box >400 packages of KDE took 36-48 hrs to compile and install).

                      After using all three I am back on Ubuntu and not looking back.

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