Too bad Fujitsu chose Windows 7 instead of a Linux distro for this. It's a phone that runs Windows 7 (not Windows Phone 7, but the Desktop Windows 7):
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b15hop: not sure about the "upgrade wall" and I do hope you recycle your old phones rather than just check them in the bin, but yes, novelty is probably the main reason running a full-blown OS on them isn't so easy. Have you never used a web-store or written notes on a phone?
The big limitation though is input and output. Motorola's atrix with laptop-dock is a simple way of solving that (although pretty pointless since if you're carrying around that much hardware you might as well pack a bigger CPU too). I can see only perhaps two ways phones end up doing more than things which are easy to do on a phone screen: universal docks (where you can just plug your phone into your mate's screen and keyboard) and inovative input devices which for various reasons have never been massively successful so far: chorded, gesture-based or voice input, and head-mounted displays (or maybe even minature projectors).
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Originally posted by Cyborg16 View PostYou serious? I'm waiting for my N900 replacement... package management on maemo sucks. It could work, but somehow the official package manager on the N900 simultaeneously sucks and has compatibility issues with apt-get.
Maybe someday we'll just be able to install debian on phones...
Originally posted by curaga View PostYou've never used Symbian, have you :P
I know... Symbian^3 is way behind the flashy new HTC Sence and all that stuff, the menu's take a bit of learning (like we didn't always do that before the iPhone came out), but people with brain matter actually thought about what the fsck I want my phone to do:
-Work;
-Not crash;
-Last longer than a half-hour webbrowser session, so I can, you know, make a call?
No I came screaming back to that Symbian(^3) (with way better apps than Android BTW) that has always worked. But enjoy the sexy homescreen effects of Androids...Last edited by V!NCENT; 19 August 2011, 02:34 PM.
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@V!NCENT
I agree with those downsides of Android, and add some of my own: requiring a google account to do most things (you too WP7, fsck you for requiring a Live account), no upgrade path if vendor decides so, no way to close apps, unintuitive gestures (you too iPhone; if you've never seen how to do things like pinch-to-zoom, they aren't obvious) and keys (wait, I need to _hold_ that key for several seconds?).
Listing some of my gripes with Symbian: slow, menus lag, boot is slow, shutdown is slow, doing anything is slow. Heck typing a SMS it lags, the phone is the bottleneck in typing. Unintuitive submenus of submenus of submenus - the main deciding characteristic of Symbian, this has always been there in every version. No consistent keys or usage (now how do I get to the apps screen on _this_ phone...). Needing to sign apps, and that used to cost a lot of dosh. It was free for a while after Elop came, but I think it's now back to costing several hundred. No proper way to develop on linux.
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Originally posted by Cyborg16 View PostHmm, maybe I'll believe you when you learn to spell (and I've tried android myself).
They can't be all that bad ? although more than 36 hours (about the best I can get out of my N900) battery life would be nice!
Of course at first sight you're like "Wow... that's awesome!", but wait until you find out that you better have a AC adapter with you at all times, or not use any functionality at all.
That makes Android the worst mobile OS on my list, even though Windows Mobile was just as shitty...
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Originally posted by curaga View Post@V!NCENT
menus lag, boot is slow, shutdown is slow, doing anything is slow.
[Heck typing a SMS it lags, the phone is the bottleneck in typing.
Unintuitive submenus of submenus of submenus
- the main deciding characteristic of Symbian, this has always been there in every version.
No consistent keys or usage (now how do I get to the apps screen on _this_ phone...).
Needing to sign apps, and that used to cost a lot of dosh.
No proper way to develop on linux.Last edited by V!NCENT; 19 August 2011, 03:42 PM.
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Originally posted by V!NCENT View PostThe fullscreen typing is indeed hell, with portrait mode having numeric keypad. But I'm not having these problems because I have a physical keyboard. That update fixes the all the above.
Network connection decide characteristics? Good for the battery, but don't dare to connect with a faulty WiFi router at home or you're in for a headache until you Google the problem and end up finding out what the problem is.
That's always been the hang-up-key or the giant iPhone like homekey. What's not to get about that?
Yup. That's why I hope that that Qt Meamo N9 (http://europe.nokia.com/find-product...specifications) fill fix these problems.
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Originally posted by Cyborg16 View PostSame on N900 virtual keyboard; it's slow to load and buggy (sometimes text typed doesn't come out at all or ends up in the wrong place). But thankfully the N900 has a real keyboard too.
Surprisingly the N900 does alright there. Come home and it picks up the wifi signal quickly, go out and as far as I can tell there's not much difference in battery usage between leaving wifi in standby mode or manually switching it off. It does use power when it's connected though so sometimes I switch it off at home, and then somehow Nokia managed to make it mostly work, but a couple of applications (the program manager/app updator and a weather applet) don't work over wifi without some extra fiddling. Apparently my router is at fault, but I've had the same with more than one router and nothing else has these problems. Oh, but try syncing against google calandar and you're somewhat out of luck: in theory maemo supports MS outlook sync or whatever which works at first, but after a week or two brakes due to a bug in maemo.
It was an extra key with some odd symbol on my old symbian phone; still, I only had to tell people to use that key for apps/menu and they soon got the hang of it. You get used to the sub-menus... sometimes they're a bit of a nuisance but not that bad. Symbian is fine for a basic phone and perhaps calandars in my experience, but still a bit limited.
Well I hope it does. Personally I'm after something with a bit more CPU power (for linux chroot) and just scrounged an atrix off ebay. If the phone functionality's a problem I might just buy a cheap dumbphone and dedicate the atrix to mobile computing instead (with portable keyboard and power supply).
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Originally posted by V!NCENT View PostIs that an ASuS Transformer thing, but than for a phone instead of a tablet? Looks nice. But I don't see why you'd need a powerful CPU. I can easily type a MSOffice document on the go and send it to my own Gmail, or put it on a USB stick (USB host FTW) or even hook it up to a printer directly. PS: Because of that USB host thing I can also directly hook it up to a Keyboard with a supplied cable and hook my Nokia up to a HDMI monitor...
Trust me, I'll use the CPU, but not for office documents. I'd use 4 GB RAM too if I could get it; I use it on my laptop. I do software dev., and compilers, besides some IDEs like kdevelop, are pretty memory hungry.
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