X applications will continue to run, but only in some kind of emulation inside Mir. So how well the graphics drivers drive Mir, and how well the frameworks/toolkits work under that emulation will be very essential. Even if not a single line of application code is Mir-specific.
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Originally posted by chithanh View PostX applications will continue to run, but only in some kind of emulation inside Mir. So how well the graphics drivers drive Mir, and how well the frameworks/toolkits work under that emulation will be very essential. Even if not a single line of application code is Mir-specific.
Not really... Both Mir And Wayland handle x-apps the same way. via XMir and XWayland respectively wherein each X-App gets its own private X-server, that it thinks is in control of the hardware and when it thinks its displaying the buffers its actually pushing them to Wayland or Mir surface and then Wayland or Mir handles the actual displaying
XMir and Xwayland are no more emulators than Wine and even THATS a bad exampleAll opinions are my own not those of my employer if you know who they are.
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Originally posted by chithanh View PostX applications will continue to run, but only in some kind of emulation inside Mir. So how well the graphics drivers drive Mir, and how well the frameworks/toolkits work under that emulation will be very essential. Even if not a single line of application code is Mir-specific.
Even if it were, that would be Ubuntu's problem to make everything work. Not Valve's. They need all sorts of legacy X applications, not just a single vendor.Last edited by smitty3268; 23 June 2013, 06:12 PM.
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Originally posted by chithanh View PostSome Red Hat / SUSE customers might have decided to start developing games for Steam following the announcement from Valve.
And even if Valve doesn't care about Mir at all in their code, they (and their graphics partners) will still have to deal with it because Ubuntu uses it as default graphics system.
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Originally posted by smitty3268 View PostOriginally posted by chithanh View PostX applications will continue to run, but only in some kind of emulation inside Mir. So how well the graphics drivers drive Mir, and how well the frameworks/toolkits work under that emulation will be very essential. Even if not a single line of application code is Mir-specific.
This is where it starts to get exciting, folks. The future starts now. Ubuntu is an operating system for the server, the cloud, the desktop, and the mobile device. One single OS. That makes it d…
So any performance issues with Mir will possibly translate to performance issues in Xmir.
Originally posted by smitty3268 View PostEven if it were, that would be Ubuntu's problem to make everything work. Not Valve's. They need all sorts of legacy X applications, not just a single vendor.
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Originally posted by chithanh View PostSo any performance issues with Mir will possibly translate to performance issues in Xmir.
The problem is Valve's too, because Ubuntu is their preferred distro. And by extension, it becomes AMD's and NVidia's problem to make Mir perform well on their hardware, or else Xmir won't perform well, and thus Steam may not perform well.
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Originally posted by chithanh View PostThe problem is Valve's too, because Ubuntu is their preferred distro.
Originally posted by chithanh View PostAnd by extension, it becomes AMD's and NVidia's problem to make Mir perform well on their hardware, or else Xmir won't perform well, and thus Steam may not perform well.
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Originally posted by TheBlackCat View PostIt is an easy problem for them to solve: change their preferred distro. The fact that they claim right now Ubuntu is the easiest to target, doesn't mean they are forced to stick with Ubuntu if it starts causing them trouble down the road.
I give to you that not all Ubuntu derivatives are going to follow to Mir, so some uncertainty remains here.
Originally posted by TheBlackCat View PostThat is only an issue if steam on Linux becomes a major source of revenue for them. So far it isn't.
Originally posted by http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=nvidia_r310_linuxThis week NVIDIA began advertising their new "R310" Linux graphics driver that "delivers [a] massive performance boost to Linux gaming" as a result of Valve releasing their Steam Linux Beta.
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