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Originally posted by bulletxt View PostApple hates linux a lot more than Microsoft does. And I'm not joking.
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Originally posted by thefirstm View PostPerhaps you are not aware that the iPhone OS 4.x was recently announced, which will enable multitasking?
Idiots... (Apple)
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Originally posted by thefirstm View PostI agree with you, but isn't this ironic, considering that Apple stole an entire open source software stack as the base for MacOSX?
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Originally posted by TemplarGR View Post
1) Apple is a purely marketing company. They have created a cult of followers who will not only buy anything on day 1 just because they have an apple logo, but will spam forums, blogs, IRC, IM web sites promoting these products to others. These people overlook Apple's disadvantages, rationalize lack of features, and justify paying premium price for lesser products. This hurts us as consumers. In many ways, which i will not explain now.
2) It is clear to me that Apple bribes certain "journalists" and certain people to post in forums/sites/blogs as "users". Of course this practice is not specific to Apple, many big companies do PR in this way. But Apple has crossed the line.
3) Apple is a closed ecosystem, unfriendly to developers like myself. And bad for the industry in general.
4)Apple only cares about flash and no substance. It may drive the design barrier but makes people ask for less tech. Sites like Arstechnica reviewed recently the iPad and they had the nerve to say that lack of multitasking is a relief and it makes their lives easier, only to celebrate a few days later for the upcoming addition of multitasking as a great evolution of Apple software...
5) I am a tech guy, and tech is all i care. I am no fanboi of a company, but i want the best product to win every time, in order to create competition and improve the tech overall. Apple's efforts hinder that.
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Originally posted by deanjo View PostThat could be said about any OS including linux with the exception to the reverence about paying.
Bullshit. Anything those site that those journalists publish they do on their own accord.
Got any proof of that? developer.apple.com is full of developer friendly documentation, sample code and is kept up to date which is more then many opensource projects where "RTFM" ends giving you vastly outdated documentation if there is any.
No the only thing that they care about ultimately is profit. That is no secret. How they achieve it is governed by the publics current wants and what is the most efficient way of providing that. If it means sacrificing a feature for the small percentage "power user" group then so be it.
How does Apples efforts "hinder" that? You are free to come up with a competing product that bests their effort.
So in short I think Apple is a bad open source 'citizen'. They take a lot, give little back, and have the bad form to not share their patents with the open source community they take so much code and talent from, and who ported so much software rooted in linux to OS X. Instead they sue (HTC) or threatened to sue (font issues).
On the other hand, they do make very good software, not particularly fast or complete, but so very well integrated.
I have been watching the whole linux development, from kernel to the desktop environments and most of the major software packages. It is all so disorganized and duplicated efforts. Only look to the situation with sound to understand what I mean.
There is a clear advantage to having a person like Steve Jobs in charge. The anarchy in the linux world that is our strength is also our biggest weakness.
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So Apple doesn't care about Linux and open source, what else is new? As Steve Jobs once said in an interview "We have always been shameless about stealing great ideas". So that's what they do, and make a lot of money of. If you don't want Apple or any other company 'stealing' open source code, use GPL.
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3) Apple is a closed ecosystem, unfriendly to developers like myself. And bad for the industry in general.Originally posted by deanjo View PostGot any proof of that? developer.apple.com is full of developer friendly documentation, sample code and is kept up to date which is more then many opensource projects where "RTFM" ends giving you vastly outdated documentation if there is any.
Originally posted by Apple3.3.1 — Applications may only use Documented APIs in the manner prescribed by Apple and must not use or call any private APIs. Applications must be originally written in Objective-C, C, C++, or JavaScript as executed by the iPhone OS WebKit engine, and only code written in C, C++, and Objective-C may compile and directly link against the Documented APIs (e.g., Applications that link to Documented APIs through an intermediary translation or compatibility layer or tool are prohibited).
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Originally posted by monraaf View PostSo Apple doesn't care about Linux and open source, what else is new? As Steve Jobs once said in an interview "We have always been shameless about stealing great ideas". So that's what they do, and make a lot of money of. If you don't want Apple or any other company 'stealing' open source code, use GPL.
Also, I agree with perpetualrabbit, they stick to the letter, but they don't give back one little more than legally needed.
I think their biggest asset is being "cool". iPod, iTouch, iPad, you name it, it's all about "cool", and part of it is being overpriced, and then again, a lot of people like that. Whatever. I just find their "all your hardware and data belongs to us" unacceptable.
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Originally posted by smitty3268 View PostSure. Here you go, direct from Apple's license agreement:
If that's not "unfriendly to developers" then I don't know what is.
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