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Thread: Red Hat Developers Propose Wayland For Fedora 21

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    wayland or xwayland?

    how something like wayland will be usable without apps? without drivers? only intel for intel users and amd apu users? im only asking. im curious

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    Quote Originally Posted by rikkinho View Post
    how something like wayland will be usable without apps? without drivers? only intel for intel users and amd apu users? im only asking. im curious
    Wayland works properly on all the major free software KMS supporting drivers (radeon, intel, nouveau), and Fedora only provides support for the free software drivers in their distribution.

    Fedora does not make decisions based upon what binary blob drivers currently support.

    As for legacy X11 applications, they will use xwayland as was explained in the article.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamish Wilson View Post
    Wayland works properly on all the major free software KMS supporting drivers (radeon, intel, nouveau), and Fedora only provides support for the free software drivers in their distribution.

    Fedora does not make decisions based upon what binary blob drivers currently support.

    As for legacy X11 applications, they will use xwayland as was explained in the article.
    xwayland is not wayland but ok, nvidia users cant use fedora then

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    Quote Originally Posted by rikkinho View Post
    xwayland is not wayland but ok, nvidia users cant use fedora then
    Yes they will, but they either will need to use nouveau or a desktop environment which is still using X11.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamish Wilson View Post
    Yes they will, but they either will need to use nouveau or a desktop environment which is still using X11.
    ofc but im talking about wayland. nouveau is not good for new video cards and laptop to much heat

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    Quote Originally Posted by rikkinho View Post
    ofc but im talking about wayland. nouveau is not good for new video cards and laptop to much heat
    NVIDIA is working on drivers that will support Wayland and XWayland. It's not even a secret anymore. Read it on the Xorg ML.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamish Wilson View Post
    Yes they will, but they either will need to use nouveau or a desktop environment which is still using X11.
    Or just enable x11 mode on their existing DE. It is not like the DEs are dropping X11 support anytime soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBlackCat View Post
    Or just enable x11 mode on their existing DE. It is not like the DEs are dropping X11 support anytime soon.
    Sooner than you think. As soon as a major DE goes all wayland and the driver/hardware support is there people will switch in droves. Shit will go wayland at lightspeed.
    Will probably happen with KDE5

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    Quote Originally Posted by grndzro View Post
    Sooner than you think. As soon as a major DE goes all wayland and the driver/hardware support is there people will switch in droves. Shit will go wayland at lightspeed.
    Will probably happen with KDE5
    *sigh* First, there will never be a KDE 5. There is KDE frameworks 5, the first release of which will probably support wayland for applications, but the first plasma workspaces 2 release will not support wayland. It will support wayland at some point, but it will continue to support x11 for the forseeable future. KDE frameworks 5 most likely continue to support X11 at least for the lifetime of Qt 5, so probably at least 7 more years and probably longer, and applications that don't rely on wayland-specific stuff (which will be most of them) will automatically suport X11 as long as the frameworks they use support it. So no, I don't see KDE frameworks or plasma workspaces abandoning X11 soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBlackCat View Post
    *sigh* First, there will never be a KDE 5. There is KDE frameworks 5, the first release of which will probably support wayland for applications, but the first plasma workspaces 2 release will not support wayland. It will support wayland at some point, but it will continue to support x11 for the forseeable future. KDE frameworks 5 most likely continue to support X11 at least for the lifetime of Qt 5, so probably at least 7 more years and probably longer, and applications that don't rely on wayland-specific stuff (which will be most of them) will automatically suport X11 as long as the frameworks they use support it. So no, I don't see KDE frameworks or plasma workspaces abandoning X11 soon.
    lol

    That whole quote just screams to be started with "I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as KDE5, is in fact, KDE Frameworks 5/Plasma Desktop 2, or as I've recently taken to calling it, KDE Frameworks 5 plus Plasma Desktop 2 ..."

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