Quote Originally Posted by cynical View Post
You've echoed many of my thoughts in your post but one thing that stands out to me in particular is this point. When I think about it, even though I dislike some of the decisions of major projects in the Linux community and criticize them for it (Gnome, KDE, openSUSE, Fedora, and Unity as well), I tend to do it once and move on. I don't go into every news article on Gnome and repeat all the things I hate about it that have nothing to do with the topic itself. Or quote the positive things people say and troll them. I don't think I will ever understand the motivation to attack something that is not negative to you in any way, but maybe that is a result of how I perceive the Linux ecosystem. Even if I choose not to use Gnome, I like some of the ideas that come out of the project and want them to be adopted in my desktop. I don't view the entire Gnome project as a diversion of scarce resources that MY project of choice could benefit from.

I think engaging with dee is a waste of time, but I enjoyed reading your post so thank you. I only wish more people in the Linux community were as accepting and positive about projects doing things differently. I think it would make a much better impression on new users and lead to a better desktop experience for everyone.
I completely agree with you and do the same, if I dont like something I will criticize it once and that is it, I wont continuously incite arguments on every news out there that is related to my object of dislike. Some people make a sport out of it.

Linux needs variety and new ideas to evolve faster and gain an upper hand over other operating systems, otherwise it will end up behind even Windows in terms of "new", most users want eye candy and extra functionality, they want modern look and design and usability that makes Linux superior to other operating systems, not only technically but visually too. Which is why I like what Canonical is trying to do, good things will come out of it for all, one way or the other, Wayland is the best example, Canonical's development of Mir greatly increased the speed of Wayland development. Even if Mir fails it will still be the factor that brought Wayland to Linux users faster. Competition is good for all.

Gnome is a good example of how initial hate for it (I mean Gnome 3) turned into a mostly positive attitude after they included community suggestions and new ideas in the design of future versions, 3.12 looks quite promising. New and radical turns arent that bad as long as developers listen to community feedback and implement what was lacking in the initial design. Unity went through similar phases, initially disliked or hated by many, it evolved in a quite usable desktop for most people, I find dash to be extremely useful to search for my local content, everything is at my fingertips in a few seconds and the UI is great once one gets used to it. Of course some people do not like it and they are free to do so.

But I digress, my point was that new ideas, even radical ones like Mir are vital in keeping Linux fresh and modern, competition makes developers think harder and come up with new solutions and design. Thinking in camp terms, us against them is never good because Linux development is intertwined and all benefit directly or indirectly when someone makes something good. I remember how people argued in the past about which desktop environment is better, Gnome or KDE, or rpm vs deb, or Debian vs Suse and the like.

And yes engaging with Dee is a waste of time, he proved that in his reply to me and others, I will no longer reply to his posts.