Cinnamon 2.2 Desktop Supports HiDPI, GTK CSD Support

[Awesomeness]

where is look like osx? a bar in the bottom black is "looking like osx?"

Are you joking?
Aside from stealing the name from KDE (but that's another matter) [Cinnamon] System Settings clearly rips of Mac System Preferences. Heck, even the gray gradient is the same.

The scrollbars are just a lighter version of the ones iTunes 7 had?

They are so out of ideas, they can't even come up with their own gradients and scroll bars?

Elementary is even worse in that regard, though?

[Awesomeness]

OS X isn't (legally) free...

OSX is given away for free.

[dee.]

Are you joking?
Aside from stealing the name from KDE (but that's another matter) [Cinnamon] System Settings clearly rips of Mac System Preferences. Heck, even the gray gradient is the same.

Is this a joke?

Seriously, there's only so many ways you can do a "system settings" window. Why go purposely making something "different" just for the sake of being different? Cinnamon is very pragmatic, they always think of functionality first - they go for what works, then worry about other things. If "what works" happens to be "copied" (or similar) to some already existing thing, who cares? As long as it works.

That's what I like about Cinnamon... they always think of functionality first.

They are so out of ideas, they can't even come up with their own gradients and scroll bars?

Ok now I know you're just trolling... come up with your own gradients? Newsflash, all the grayscale gradients have already been invented! There's only so many grayscale colours in a 24-bit rgb system...

Apple didn't invent light grey, just like they didn't invent rounded corners - although they do like to pretend they did...

[Calinou]

Are you joking?
Aside from stealing the name from KDE (but that's another matter) [Cinnamon] System Settings clearly rips of Mac System Preferences. Heck, even the gray gradient is the same.

The scrollbars are just a lighter version of the ones iTunes 7 had…

They are so out of ideas, they can't even come up with their own gradients and scroll bars?

Elementary is even worse in that regard, though…

Copying is fine -- it shouldn't be a reason to critisize some software. "Rip off" is a bad, very bad term.

OSX is given away for free.

Maybe only to students -- it's also still not free as in freedom, with all the other issues inherent to OS X.

[Awesomeness]

Is this a joke?

No.

Seriously, there's only so many ways you can do a "system settings" window.

There are many ways. Yes, copying Apple is one way but far from the only one.

Cinnamon is very pragmatic

No, it's not. It's not pragmatic to fork an entire DE to achieve the same result as Gnome Classic does with a handful of GS Extensions.

Ok now I know you're just trolling... come up with your own gradients? Newsflash, all the grayscale gradients have already been invented!

It's not trolling when I say that the gradient is placed at exactly the same place with exactly the same hues as in OSX.

You try to divert from the facts by concentrating on individual aspects and claim that everybody could've had the same ideas. Sure. However [Cinnamon] System Settings does not pick an inspiration from others here and there. The entire look and feel of it is copied from OSX.

Maybe only to students

No, OSX Mavericks is given away free of charge to everybody.

it's also still not free as in freedom, with all the other issues inherent to OS X.

Except a few UI frameworks and some of the easily replaceable applications, OSX is FOSS: http://opensource.apple.com/release/os-x-109/
It is legally even perfectly fine to modify the FOSS parts to run on any PC and install the freeware components on top.

[bison]

They are so out of ideas, they can't even come up with their own gradients and scroll bars?

Perhaps they thought what Apple has done couldn't be improved on in any significant way. Most progress is the result of building on what came before.

[halo9en]

Most progress is the result of building on what came before.

This.

(including the windowzian KDE and the latest OSX)

[dee.]

No.
There are many ways. Yes, copying Apple is one way but far from the only one.

And what would be a better way to do a System Settings window? What's a better alternative than a window that has icons linking to various settings windows?

No, it's not. It's not pragmatic to fork an entire DE to achieve the same result as Gnome Classic does with a handful of GS Extensions.

How is it pragmatic to ship GNOME + a set of 25 custom extensions when GNOME breaks extension compatibility whenever they want to...

Actually, the Cinnamon devs already tried that exact thing what you're talking about. It was a thing called MGSE (Mint Gnome Shell Extensions). It turned out that forking worked better for them.

It's not trolling when I say that the gradient is placed at exactly the same place with exactly the same hues as in OSX.

Who gives a shit?

By the way, the gradient is not even the same. OS X gradient is darker...

You try to divert from the facts by concentrating on individual aspects and claim that everybody could've had the same ideas. Sure. However [Cinnamon] System Settings does not pick an inspiration from others here and there. The entire look and feel of it is copied from OSX.

Oh bullshit. The only thing they have in common is that they both have icons that link to individual settings widgets. The grouping of the icons is different, the window theme is different (Cinnamon has had it's Mint-X window theme from the beginning, which again is entirely different from the OS X window theme... OS X has those fugly traffic lights), Cinnamon's settings window lacks those extra arrow buttons OS X has, OS X search widget lacks the clear button... OS X system settings also lacks the close button in the bottom.

It's clear that Cinnamon did their System Settings in the way they considered best and most functional. They may have taken inspiration from others - but everyone does, nothing in this world is truly original. That's why I say Cinnamon is pragmatic - they use what works, they don't care if hipster kids come complaining "oh that's so last year, Apple/GNOME/KDE/Ubuntu already did that before it went mainstream"...

In UI design, function comes before form, always.

[Awesomeness]

How is it pragmatic to ship GNOME + a set of 25 custom extensions when GNOME breaks extension compatibility whenever they want to...

The extension API is stable these days. It wasn't officially supported in the first few Gnome 3 releases.

Actually, the Cinnamon devs already tried that exact thing what you're talking about. It was a thing called MGSE (Mint Gnome Shell Extensions). It turned out that forking worked better for them.

They attempted the extension way before the extension API was declared stable.

entirely different from the OS X window theme... OS X has those fugly traffic lights), Cinnamon's settings window lacks those extra arrow buttons OS X has, OS X search widget lacks the clear button... OS X system settings also lacks the close button in the bottom.

The general look and feel is still a copy of OSX. Nothing you say changes this.

[Daktyl198]

So I took a look at my Cinnamon System Settings... and you know what it reminded me of? EVERY SYSTEM SETTINGS EVER (aside from Windows).

KDE: http://bcchang.com/immersive_blog/wp...m-settings.jpg
Gnome: http://www.hecticgeek.com/wp-content...nome-Shell.jpg

Well, would ya look at that! They all look the same!! I wonder why >_>
Maybe, just maybe, it's because that's the best way to do it and it's not "ripping off" and more "using a great design". And if you're going to rip on Cinnamon about it, make sure you include the other DEs, even the ones you like ^.^