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Thread: Bye bye BSD, Hello Linux: A Sys Admin's Story

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    Default Bye bye BSD, Hello Linux: A Sys Admin's Story

    As you know, there is an article and a thread discussing about Apache getting removed from the base system OpenBSD. Although much of the thread has been dominated by fanatic Linux hating BSD fanboys, some of the comments made have been particularly interesting and important in terms of what is actually going on. Some of the comments are:

    Quote Originally Posted by mark45
    BSDs are irrelevant, it becomes ever more often that if an app doesn't compile/run on a Unix OS which is neither Linux or Mac/iOS - take a hike. I never cared if my app runs on any BSD, even my Java apps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pawlerson
    You have to live with that. It doesn't matter if openbsd or some other bsd chooses to drop something, because it won't affect market share at all.
    These comments reflect real life. Unfortunate, they have been met with a barrage of foul-mouth trolling from BSD fanatics like Sergio, Cthulhux and Vim_User.

    In response, I'll like to post a link to an article that proofs mark45 and Pawlerson's statement.

    http://patrick.wagstrom.net/weblog/2...odbye-openbsd/

    As you can see, OpenBSD and BSD overall is dead even on the server side. Many softer but still brainless BSD fanboys claim that Linux is better on Desktop while BSD is better on servers.

    BSD is not better on servers especially now when virtualization is a must and BSDs have been found time and time again to be slower, less reliable and less robust then Linux or even Windows.

    BSD is not even good for the embedded side as it has very poor scalability and an install with only a partial base system is already too bloated and slow compared to a full desktop Linux install.

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    Quote Originally Posted by endman View Post
    As you can see, OpenBSD and BSD overall is dead even on the server side. Many softer but still brainless BSD fanboys claim that Linux is better on Desktop while BSD is better on servers.
    I am no fan of BSDs, but seriously, the best evidence you can come up with that "OpenBSD and BSD overall is dead even on the server side" is an anecdote about a single person's experience with OpenBSD 6 years ago!

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    There is also this:
    http://www.section6.net/2011/07/why-...earned-to.html

    And it's more recent, 2011.

    There is also evidence of FreeBSD losing not just users but developers as well:
    http://koitsu.wordpress.com/2008/12/...eebsd-project/

    As you can see, the FreeBSD project as well as the OpenBSD project has got a very unfriendly environment for it's developers and they are thus leaving by droves.
    Last edited by endman; 04-06-2014 at 05:01 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by endman View Post
    There is also this:
    Yeah, I think that is roughly the amount of evidence everyone expected.

    edit: endman edited his/her post after I posted this. When I posted, that was all there was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by endman View Post
    There is also this:
    http://www.section6.net/2011/07/why-...earned-to.html

    And it's more recent, 2011.

    There is also evidence of FreeBSD losing not just users but developers as well:
    http://koitsu.wordpress.com/2008/12/...eebsd-project/

    As you can see, the FreeBSD project as well as the OpenBSD project has got a very unfriendly environment for it's developers and they are thus leaving by droves.
    Anecdotes are not evidence. It doesn't matter whether it is one or three. It is easy to find people who left Linux for BSD as well, or Linux for windows, or Linux for Mac. That doesn't prove anything.

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    This is also graphical evidence from w3techs:

    http://w3techs.com/diagram/history_technology/os-bsd


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    Quote Originally Posted by endman View Post
    This is also graphical evidence from w3techs:

    http://w3techs.com/diagram/history_technology/os-bsd

    Wow, you are as bad as Honton. You show a tiny change over just one year with no context and expect that to be remotely convincing?

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    Something is just wrong with those statistics First three linuxes loose 13% together and in same time in first 2 months this year

    http://w3techs.com/technologies/hist...tails/os-linux

    Together with RH and others ~15% goes nowhere
    Last edited by dungeon; 04-06-2014 at 07:50 AM.

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    This also this:
    http://trends.builtwith.com/Server/FreeBSD

    Which shows FreeBSD usage share declining while Linux usage shares are increasing:

    http://trends.builtwith.com/Server/Gentoo-Linux

    The truth is inescapable.
    Last edited by endman; 04-06-2014 at 09:22 AM.

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    Generally speaking, you might be right. Linux is developed by many companies, individuals, and institutions on constant basis, so the quality of the code and capabilities of Linux generally surpass every OS out there minus some very specialized ones a la z/os specifically designed to work on mainframes. Nowadays, all is see is how feature A from Linux is going to get ported to BSD, never the other way around, which suggests that all BSD projects are dead or dying of they have completely stagnated.

    Right now the biggest bsd user is Apple, which is its biggest liability.

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