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Thread: Shuttleworth On Google Go, Unity 8, Ubuntu Phone, Etc

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    Good to hear they're enjoying Golang. From first-hand experience, I find Go delightful server-side, but I always wondered what the more GUIs\Apps inclined were thinking... So far so good

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    Quote Originally Posted by litfan View Post
    Really? You're playing the kids card? Are you the worlds biggest baby or what?
    I'm simply making an appeal to common decency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dh04000 View Post
    Oh look, all this language, including someone telling another person to perform a sexual act to thier gentals. Do you see any moderators taking actions to abate this abuse? Anyone? Bueller?(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4zyjLyBp64)

    I reported this posts, but it seems as that the mods don't care.
    Let's be perfectly honest here, pulling the "But Think of the ______" card is among the first resorts of tyrants as an excuse to curtail rights, and quite frankly this is The Internet... appeals to "common decency" are utterly absurd in this context, it's like going to a fine sit down restaurant and telling them they're not allowed to sell alcohol because "there might be children in here at some point... theoretically" in spite of there being no children and it being utterly absurd even if there were because they wouldn't be served it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by litfan View Post
    We dont have to make up our minds. Go to ubuntu.com and look for the word Linux. You won't find it. Mark is hijacking the OS for his own goals. He's removed Linux from the equation and has redefined it as Ubuntu. You wont even find Linux mentioned in the Ubuntu overview. It's like LInux doesn't exist. It's the "Ubuntu Operating System" That's a direct quote FYI.
    Yeah, clearly this is a sinister plot to take over the Linux community. I'm sure it has nothing to do with not wanting to confuse consumers by having to explain what Linux is and how Ubuntu is related to it. Next you'll be saying they should be absolutely clear and say it's "Ubuntu GNU/Linux + the Unity desktop environment (which is in part based on Gnome 2, which is another desktop environment...)". I mean christ, people will literally take the dumbest things to attack Canonical for. (And of course as dh04000 pointed out, it's not even true)

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    For what it's worth (and @ litfan): http://www.ubuntu.com/about/about-ubuntu

    It's actually understandable to try not to use the word Linux all over the place simply because it confuses consumers. It's easier to say, "Ubuntu" than "Ubuntu Linux" to someone who isn't completely familiar with the genre of Linux.

    Let's try to keep notions realistic. Even if Linux isn't mentioned, there's reasoning behind it. Don't just assume it's to overthrow Linux (which won't happen even if they tried).

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    Quote Originally Posted by litfan View Post
    100% agree with this. I can't think of another distro less in line with mainstream Linux than Ubuntu. I just can't comprehend why they continue down the path they do when they've seen such enormous backlash for it. They were top dog now everyone is looking for alternatives.
    define "everyone"...

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    Quote Originally Posted by litfan View Post
    Go to ubuntu.com and look for the word Linux. You won't find it.
    "you won't find Linux on ubuntu.com" is rather an exaggeration of some Ubuntu haters and some people believe that.

    Ubuntu Installation Guide
    1.1. What is Ubuntu?

    Ubuntu is a complete desktop Linux operating system...
    Then:
    1.2. What is Debian?
    1.3. What is GNU/Linux?

    Check debian.org's first page. If it wasn't for a news item including Linux in the title, you couldn't find the word either. And that's until a newer news comes up and this one will fade away.
    [28/09/2013] Debian Edu / Skolelinux Wheezy a complete Linux solution for your school
    I know, Ubuntu could be more careful to pay respect to its foundation, but if you look closely at the information presented on their pages, you'll notice they tend to shorten everything and simply highlight features and stuff. It's just advertising for people who need basic info about what Ubuntu can do, and that's OK. "Ubuntu operating system" is a correct statement. While everything revolves around Linux - the kernel - and the GNU toolchain, there's a whole lot more than just GNU/Linux. It's a huge ecosystem with tons of software. Although Ubuntu is based on Debian, it still has many essential differences regarding software choice, direction, development approach, culture and so on.

    I don't get why some people prefer to distance themselves from Ubuntu but at the same time they are preoccupied with having Ubuntu "acknowledge" their GNU/Linux foundation in the wordings of their website. You either care or don't care. Also, most of us say Linux and go with it, and when someone corrects us to say GNU/Linux, then eyes start rolling and RMS jokes/bashing tend to pop right up. It's like some people don't have anything better to do but complain.

    Some people are also against Ubuntu's direction and make a huge deal about it. Well, it's OK to have a personal opinion but you can't really expect anyone to do what you feel like. So they like reinventing the wheel and make upstart, Unity, Mir, go for convergence and stuff? So what? It's their time and money, not anyone else's. And as long as they publish their work as FOSS what is the problem? The license? Even if they ignore most of the code, the developers can anyway get inspiration from it, then write their own, original code. It's not a black box. Sure, it would be swell to have "everything Ubuntu" under GPL v2, the be perfectly compatible with the rest of the gang but again, it's their time and money. And if they fail to keep their creations alive, again it's their time and money. But if they actually come up with something really usable, then it's good for the users and developers alike.

    The whole GNU/Linux world is about diversity and freedom of choice. But is it just the user's freedom of choice or the developers should also be free to tinker whatever they feel like? Rhetorical question, obviously.

    I'm a Mint user, with MATE. I find Unity interesting to look at, but I feel more productive with MATE and the mint menu, so I don't touch Unity at all. That doesn't mean I have to cry about it or rant about Ubuntu not having Linux glued all over their website. I don't think that's a mature attitude. Most of us can actually do better, so let's get a grip and do so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by computerquip View Post
    For what it's worth (and @ litfan): http://www.ubuntu.com/about/about-ubuntu

    It's actually understandable to try not to use the word Linux all over the place simply because it confuses consumers. It's easier to say, "Ubuntu" than "Ubuntu Linux" to someone who isn't completely familiar with the genre of Linux.

    Let's try to keep notions realistic. Even if Linux isn't mentioned, there's reasoning behind it. Don't just assume it's to overthrow Linux (which won't happen even if they tried).
    We all know it's "Ubuntu Gnu/Linux".


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    Quote Originally Posted by kneekoo View Post
    What Michael wrote in the news is correct but without the context it got misinterpreted - as if Ubuntu is a target platform. Mark was talking about the environment itself. Here it is, word for word:
    I am assuming he means the best development environment for a Linux Distribution? Cause not a goddamn candle in code development does Linux Hold to OS X or iOS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackout23 View Post
    Moving to a rolling release modell for the non-LTS releases would be the best thing to ever happen to Ubuntu. The non-LTS releases are simply idiotic there is no other way to say it.
    +1. Nobody cares about non-LTS releases, and afaics Ubuntu developers don't care for any release except the current one, and even then only because it had the latest packages, not as an actual install target for normal users. It would be a huge benefit to Ubuntu to have a rolling release that more closely tracks upstream package versions.

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