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Mark Shuttleworth: Mir By Default In Ubuntu 16.04 LTS
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Originally posted by dee.Seems to me that Canonical doesn't really understand open source. They're constantly missing out on the main benefits of open source, they think it's just a convenient way to get code developed for their inhouse solutions. In short, they're trying too much to be like Apple, but without having all the money, massive resources for r&d, their own hardware line, etc... And even Apple is fading already, even with their huge resources - so why does Canonical, a small company that can't even afford to release a phone without a crowdsourcing campaign, think they can succeed with the same strategy? It's just plain foolishness with possibly streaks of megalomania.
Originally posted by nll_aIt's funny that the ones who compare Canonical and Shuttleworth to Apple and Jobs are the same ones who think they are entitled to tell people what is The Right Way to Work?. In open source, people do whatever they feel is right for them, and no one has the right to tell anyone how to do shit. There's no open source bible.
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When Canonical saw Wayland taking long time they thought they can do better. Are they starting to realize now that it's not an easy job, or they are still thinking they can do better than the Wayland camp?
Wayland on the mobile is already in the market (Jolla), and on the desktop it's already in preview. By the time 16.04 is released Wayland will probably be a reality already. Canonical has clearly taken the wrong path and they need to correct it soon instead of throwing their money down the drain.
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Originally posted by toka View PostMir = protocol agnostic display server. This means, it can support X11, Wayland, or something else. Is there a Mir protocol?
Wayland = protocol
In the end it is not very different: a display server must present an interface so that clients can draw things on the screen.
The only thing is that all Wayland compositors use the same interface, defined by the Wayland protocol, while Mir uses its own interface, defined by its API.
Although wayland is only the protocol, it has strong implications for the architecture and the design of any implementation of it.
That is why you can compare them directly (instead of a specific implementation) regarding technicalities and architecture.
Also, it will ensure compatibility between clients and compositors following the protocol, so Mir and Wayland can be considered as two blocks when comparing adoption and the like.
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Originally posted by nll_aIt's funny that the ones who compare Canonical and Shuttleworth to Apple and Jobs are the same ones who think they are entitled to tell people what is The Right Way to Work?. In open source, people do whatever they feel is right for them, and no one has the right to tell anyone how to do shit. There's no open source bible.
Of course Canonical is free to do what they want. It's their money, they can invest it all in two-legged chairs if they so choose. The question is not whether they have a right to do it, the question is IS IT SMART.
And the answer is, no it's not. By constantly reinventing everything, they're not taking advantage of the main benefits of the open source model (collaboration!). You're right, they do have a right to do stupid things. It still doesn't make those things any less stupid.
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Originally posted by Spittie View PostJust like the Wayland preview for Ubuntu 12.04, Wayland by default in Ubuntu 12.10 and Mir by default in Ubuntu 13.10, right?
Mark just loves to do big announcements, it doesn't matter if he isn't probably even involved in the development process, and so he doesn't know the current status...
Seeing their record track, I think that Canonical will jump on a different ship (Like they did for upstart), or that Mir will not be ready for Ubuntu 16.04. That said, only time will tell.
EDIT: after re-reading the post, I realize that Michael already linked those/similar articles, and I feel silly. My point still applies.
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Originally posted by cynical View PostAnd Wayland support for Gnome 3.12 was delayed as well, but I don't conclude that their approach is doomed and they should "jump ship" to something else...
Fedora was also delayed a number of times on its latest release. There are always unexpected issues or expansions of scope, the only fundamental conclusion you can come to from this is that accurate predictions in software aren't easy.
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