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Thread: Mark Shuttleworth: Mir By Default In Ubuntu 16.04 LTS

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    Quote Originally Posted by nll_a View Post
    Actual control freaks can't handle other people doing their own thing instead of kneeling down to their enlightened wishes, and hoping for an open source company to go broke is just downright psychopathic.

    Hell, there must be something wrong with the Phoronix Forums water. What a horrible place to hang out.
    Look up the world psychopathic. It doesn't mean what you think it means. Idiot.

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    Big surprise there...not. I guess they could've tried to hurry and put it in 14.04, but it would've probably been buggy as hell, so maybe it was the right decision. Still sucks it's not here much earlier in an LTS version, though. 2016...ugh. It better be 64-bit only then (mobile included).
    Last edited by Krysto; 03-12-2014 at 10:33 PM.

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    Future breaking news:

    "The Debian TC passed a close vote to make Wayland the new default display server for the [redacted] release. Mark Shuttleworth has announced that Ubuntu will be dropping support of Mir and transitioning to Wayland in version [redacted]."

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    Quote Originally Posted by pdffs View Post
    Future breaking news:

    "The Debian TC passed a close vote to make Wayland the new default display server for the [redacted] release. Mark Shuttleworth has announced that Ubuntu will be dropping support of Mir and transitioning to Wayland in version [redacted]."
    Lol. I hope they considered that.

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    Just as a friendly reminder:
    http://www.reddit.com/r/LinuxActionS..._now_ill_wear/
    Here's the deal. If one year from now, Mir isn't being used not only by Ubuntu, but also by at LEAST one additional distro NOT based on Ubuntu (Arch, OpenSuSE, etc), I will (with Chris' permission) wear the following ON THE SHOW for an entire segment recapping Mir vs Wayland progress.
    http://imgur.com/nsVSJPg
    Not only was he wrong about it being used on *any* other distro, even Ubuntu isn't using it and won't be for another 2 years.
    Feel free to file this one under "Matt puts up or shuts up" on March 16th, 2014.
    Cheer up Matt, you've still got, what, 4 days? for Canonical and someone else to pick up the pace! :P

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    It's very unlikely they will wait to push mir by default into Ubuntu until 16.04 LTS. The wording probably was due to the fact that Canonical heavily pushes users towards sticking to LTS releases, so most users probably are on LTS releases, and since it won't be going into 14.04 the next LTS is 16.04.

    Of course since all the above is obvious its really a non-story and it wouldn't have generated any page views.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pdffs View Post
    Future breaking news:

    "The Debian TC passed a close vote to make Wayland the new default display server for the [redacted] release. Mark Shuttleworth has announced that Ubuntu will be dropping support of Mir and transitioning to Wayland in version [redacted]."
    First, the two are not incompatible with each other in a stupid mess like Upstart and Systemd are.

    Second, this simply means that it will be default regardless by 16.04 LTS (or however long it takes for a smooth transition). Personally though I would love to try out a stupid unstable version of Ubuntu running Mir and Unity 8 and systemd.

    But Wayland isn't even a compositor... So why would they replace something that works on tablets phones and PCs with a protocol?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich Oliver View Post
    I wonder if part of the delay is making Mir Wayland compliant. Which of course they could have done from the first.
    Nah... that would make too much sense. You can trust canonical to shoot themselves in the foot and increase Linux fragmentation again.

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    mir/unity is phone/tablet oriented
    we will see mir-powered phones/tablets next year
    who thinks that wayland/gnome is suitable for phones is an idiot
    and anyway in 2016 desktop will be dead

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    Quote Originally Posted by profoundWHALE View Post
    First, the two are not incompatible with each other in a stupid mess like Upstart and Systemd are.
    As of now, Mir clients aren't compatible with any Wayland compositors, nor are Wayland clients compatible with Mir. There's no guarantee that any kind of compatibility between the two is ever going to be developed. So how exactly are they "not incompatible" again?

    Second, this simply means that it will be default regardless by 16.04 LTS (or however long it takes for a smooth transition). Personally though I would love to try out a stupid unstable version of Ubuntu running Mir and Unity 8 and systemd.

    But Wayland isn't even a compositor... So why would they replace something that works on tablets phones and PCs with a protocol?
    Your argument makes no sense. It's like saying "why should we replace our RealPlayer with html5 streaming? Html5 is just a protocol"...

    Yes, Wayland is "just a protocol", just like C is "just a programming language" or http is "just a protocol" or Linux is "just a kernel"...

    And? Wayland isn't "just a protocol", it's a protocol that every other major distro and desktop environment is behind, not to mention Intel, Samsung and Jolla. There's a huge benefit in developing a unified graphics stack that everyone can collaborate on and share both the workload and the benefit. That's the main benefit of open source, collaboration.

    Seems to me that Canonical doesn't really understand open source. They're constantly missing out on the main benefits of open source, they think it's just a convenient way to get code developed for their inhouse solutions. In short, they're trying too much to be like Apple, but without having all the money, massive resources for r&d, their own hardware line, etc... And even Apple is fading already, even with their huge resources - so why does Canonical, a small company that can't even afford to release a phone without a crowdsourcing campaign, think they can succeed with the same strategy? It's just plain foolishness with possibly streaks of megalomania.

    Also, while we're talking about something that "works on tablets and phones", Wayland is currently being used in actual phones that are being sold, as in right now. While we still haven't seen even one Mir-based phone that comes with Mir preloaded...

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