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  • #61
    Originally posted by Kivada View Post
    Which are all thats needed to access the free games like DOTA2, Team Fortress 2, Dwarfs F2P, Champions Of Regnum, No More Room In Hell, Serena and The Plan. Not to mention the dozens of demos.
    The issue with this is that many of these, including Team Fortress 2, are severely stripped down if you don't pay anything.
    Originally posted by Kivada View Post
    [...] as they pretty much deal in whatever gets rejected by Valve.
    Can you provide a source for this claim?

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    • #62
      Originally posted by Cann View Post
      The issue with this is that many of these, including Team Fortress 2, are severely stripped down if you don't pay anything.

      Can you provide a source for this claim?
      Not really, you can get stuff for free, it just takes time. Besides, as stated several times before, you can buy Steam gift cards at most stores and just pay with cash.

      It's by Desura's own admission that they set a much lower bar to entry as to what games they carry.

      Just compare the libraries, most of their free games don't even run.
      Last edited by Kivada; 15 February 2014, 06:03 PM.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by Kivada View Post
        Not really, you can get stuff for free, it just takes time.
        However, the way it's implemented prevents people from obtaining everything it has to offer, as I stated before.

        In the case of Team Fortress 2, the limit of maximum amount of items (weapons, cosmetic and usable) that can be held in the backpack for non-paying players is 50 [1].
        Counting the weapons found on the official wiki [2] (excluding the default weapons, promotional and unobtainable weapons), this limit is passed after obtaining the weapons of three of the nine classes.
        Assuming a "Free to play" user would rely purely on the random item drop system, due their trading opportunities being rather limited, even passing this limit would take quite a while.

        However, the time taken is unrelated to the discussion regarding severely stripped down "free" games.

        Originally posted by Kivada View Post
        It's by Desura's own admission that they set a much lower bar to entry as to what games they carry.
        A statement like this does not verify your claim that Desura deals with games which were rejected by Valve.

        Many of these may have skipped Steam/Greenlight to begin with or they may have been submitted before Greenlight was announced by Valve.

        Speaking of which, I am not sure many remember the state of Greenlight before Valve added the $100 entrance fee a week after it was launched, due to amount of shovelware submitted to it.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by Cann View Post
          However, the way it's implemented prevents people from obtaining everything it has to offer, as I stated before.

          In the case of Team Fortress 2, the limit of maximum amount of items (weapons, cosmetic and usable) that can be held in the backpack for non-paying players is 50 [1].
          Counting the weapons found on the official wiki [2] (excluding the default weapons, promotional and unobtainable weapons), this limit is passed after obtaining the weapons of three of the nine classes.
          Assuming a "Free to play" user would rely purely on the random item drop system, due their trading opportunities being rather limited, even passing this limit would take quite a while.

          However, the time taken is unrelated to the discussion regarding severely stripped down "free" games.


          A statement like this does not verify your claim that Desura deals with games which were rejected by Valve.

          Many of these may have skipped Steam/Greenlight to begin with or they may have been submitted before Greenlight was announced by Valve.

          Speaking of which, I am not sure many remember the state of Greenlight before Valve added the $100 entrance fee a week after it was launched, due to amount of shovelware submitted to it.
          1.) TF2 and DOTA2 weapons are well balanced to the point that the paid items are mostly just for show.

          2.) In games like Regnum the buffs are purely cosmetic, a dragon mount is no faster then the 10 min mounts you can buy. If you join the smaller factions you'll often get free EXP gain booster opportunities, they do so to help the weaker factions compete instead of just being rolled over by the largest faction.


          C.) Valve is the 800Lb gorilla of the PC gaming industry, consisting in half of all game sales. If your game is too crappy to get on to even Greenlight, which the only free game I see on Desura that is also in Greenlight is the OSS title NAEV, which is actually a pretty good game that just needs a mor fleshed out universe like the game series it's trying to clone. Everything else there is only on Desura because Desura doesn't refuse anything no matter how bad it is.

          I can vouch for this as I have every single F2P game on Desura on my account, even one that you can't get anymore. Of those games two thirds are either unplayable or are just terrible games. Take Savage2, It will run, but it HAS to be reinstalled every time I want to play and thus has to download another 500+Mb of stuff at only 30kbps and not lock up half way through it else it has to start all over again.

          Compare that to a community made F2P on Steam, No More Room In Hell where it just runs flawlessly every time, which is the case for all of the F2P games on Steam save for Regnum lately, mostly because their Linux and Mac ports are done by one guy and the whole team for all servers across English, Spanish and German is only 6 people who are also maintaining their other Windows only game Company Of Heroes.

          Also, the first non-Valve made F2P for Linux on Steam was Dwarfs F2P. Everything else either came via Greenlight or in the case of No More Room In Hell, was an existing Windows game that got ported.
          Last edited by Kivada; 15 February 2014, 10:28 PM.

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          • #65
            Take Savage2, It will run, but it HAS to be reinstalled every time I want to play and thus has to download another 500+Mb of stuff at only 30kbps and not lock up half way through it else it has to start all over again.
            What the? S2 isn't exactly a single guy, or new to linux.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by curaga View Post
              What the? S2 isn't exactly a single guy, or new to linux.
              I'm not joking, the version available via Desura doesn't work. Likewise some packages are many months out of date like FlareRPG.

              These things haven't changed since LindenLabs(the SecondLife guys) bought Desura last year to help promote their always crappy Indie Royale bundles and SecondLife.

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              • #67
                Originally posted by Kivada View Post
                1.) TF2 and DOTA2 weapons are well balanced to the point that the paid items are mostly just for show.
                This is completely unrelated to the discussion at hand as well as my post you are responding to. But sure, I will respond.
                Before the July 10, 2013 patch[1], several items were used in a 'set' for each class and when worn provided stat changing effects, affecting the gameplay. One of these items in each set had a very slim chance of 'dropping' from the random item drop system, if you had saved up item and crafted into something you could trade it for, said items were rather rare as well and you weren't , and the only certain way to obtain it was to obtain it through the store. Furthermore each key required to open a single of the locked boxes very frequently 'dropping' from the random item drop system through is a guaranteed sale as there is no other way to obtain keys.


                Originally posted by Kivada View Post
                [...] consisting in half of all game sales.
                Would you kindly provide a source for this?
                Originally posted by Kivada View Post
                If your game is too crappy to get on to even Greenlight, [...]
                Many may be discouraged by the mandatory $100 entry fee Valve has for Greenlight. Some may just want to release it without Steam DRM or just release something for others. I suggest reading through the Greenlight FAQ[2], you may have confused it with when Valve 'greenlit' a game when they want to commercialise a game on Greenlight.
                Originally posted by Kivada View Post
                Everything else there is only on Desura because Desura doesn't refuse anything no matter how bad it is.
                You have yet to submit evidence supporting this claim as stated in previous posts by me.
                Originally posted by Kivada View Post
                Of those games two thirds are either unplayable or are just terrible games.
                Terrible in what way? Regarding the 'unplayable' games, would you kindly provide a list over these games? I wish to verify this claim.
                Originally posted by Kivada View Post
                Also, the first non-Valve made F2P for Linux on Steam was Dwarfs F2P. Everything else either came via Greenlight or in the case of No More Room In Hell, was an existing Windows game that got ported.
                Could you please provide sources for all of these three claims?

                Furthermore, I think you may have confused 'Free to Play' and 'Freeware', as 'Free to play' games intend to profit compared to Freeware which is released free of charge.

                Please try to keep the discussion to the original post I made regarding this discussion, as I feel we are going off-topic.

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Kivada View Post
                  [...] the version available via Desura doesn't work.
                  I am pretty certain you said otherwise in the last post.

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                  • #69
                    the reason you should stay away from 'steam' or other DRM proprietary platforms is that you have absolutely no idea of what it's doing in the background...

                    check reddit and ars to see the new controversy of steam checking your DNS history for cheat sites.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Cann View Post
                      I am pretty certain you said otherwise in the last post.
                      Re-read it. If it runs at all the next time try to run it it will not run again without being clean reinstalled. Half the time that doesn't even work as the in game assets downloader often locks up the game.

                      The only free Desura games I've tried that work 100% properly are NAEV, OpenTTD and MonsterRPG.

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