Originally posted by phoronix
View Post
Announcement
Collapse
No announcement yet.
Latest Round Of Debian Systemd vs. Upstart Voting Ends
Collapse
X
-
Originally posted by Ericg View PostI hope not the next round (third round) but the round after that (fourth round) doesn't include "Further Discussion" as an option.
They should make a new init kajigger, and call it "Further Discussion". Merge Systemd and Upstart code together into a marvelous thingamajig. It'll be great. Best of both whatchacallits.
Comment
-
Originally posted by gens View Posthttp://linuxcounter.net/distributions/stats.html
ubuntu, gentoo and slackware wont move to systemd
so "everyone else" use init + sysv/upstart/openrc
(with majority of people using upstart)
ofc linuxcounter is not that precise
you can check steam hw_survey that shows ubuntu having way more users then "other linux"
or distrowatch for popularity that shows ubuntu+mint dominating
the reason to switch to anything has to have nothing to do with what everyone else is doing
they are planing their own future
(also, most servers on teh internets run either debian or ubuntu)
However
the more popular something becomes, the more attention it gets. In the FOSS community, the more attention something gets, the project will progress more. This is probably why they aren't considering openrc.
Comment
-
Originally posted by gens View Posthttp://linuxcounter.net/distributions/stats.html
ubuntu, gentoo and slackware wont move to systemd
so "everyone else" use init + sysv/upstart/openrc
(with majority of people using upstart)
ofc linuxcounter is not that precise
you can check steam hw_survey that shows ubuntu having way more users then "other linux"
or distrowatch for popularity that shows ubuntu+mint dominating
the reason to switch to anything has to have nothing to do with what everyone else is doing
they are planing their own future
(also, most servers on teh internets run either debian or ubuntu)
Gentoo uses openrc due to stubborness.
Slackware uses bsdinit because it is designed with BDSM and never cares about staying broken.
Arch moved to systemd.
Manjaro, Chakra and other Archbased have moved to systemd.
RPM (Fedora, Openmandriva/Mageia/ROSA, OpenSuse) have moved to systemd.
Steam is not a survey of desktop linux.
Centos will switch to systemd, and Spotify who use over 1k Debian servers insisted on going systemd route.
Systemd is clearly technically unsurpassed.
The political decision is garbage argument, its all about lesser effort, lesser cost and nothing beats most supported init - systemd.
BSD compatibity is garbage, as indicated prior BSD are very outdated compared to Linux and broken in many places. The correct approach is to fix BSD and then bring over systemd when it stabilizes. They were also exploring launchd route ("just because state of being pissed off is an art").
What left is a doubt that binary and monolithic nature of systemd may be misused in corporate or military way - to dictate development and to make systems vulnerable.
All else - is garbage.
Comment
-
Originally posted by Ericg View PostI hope not the next round (third round) but the round after that (fourth round) doesn't include "Further Discussion" as an option. Let them yell and bicker and fight all they want for now and after the next round, but after that they need to suck it up and pick something. Some people aren't gonna be happy-- OH WELL. You get that outcome in ANY choice, you CANT make everyone happy.
Originally posted by Bathroom Humor View PostNONSENSE.
They should make a new init kajigger, and call it "Further Discussion". Merge Systemd and Upstart code together into a marvelous thingamajig. It'll be great. Best of both whatchacallits.
Comment
-
Originally posted by brosis View PostUbuntu uses in-house upstart due to politics.
Gentoo uses openrc due to stubborness.
Slackware uses bsdinit because it is designed with BDSM and never cares about staying broken.
Arch moved to systemd.
Manjaro, Chakra and other Archbased have moved to systemd.
RPM (Fedora, Openmandriva/Mageia/ROSA, OpenSuse) have moved to systemd.
Steam is not a survey of desktop linux.
Centos will switch to systemd, and Spotify who use over 1k Debian servers insisted on going systemd route.
Systemd is clearly technically unsurpassed.
The political decision is garbage argument, its all about lesser effort, lesser cost and nothing beats most supported init - systemd.
BSD compatibity is garbage, as indicated prior BSD are very outdated compared to Linux and broken in many places. The correct approach is to fix BSD and then bring over systemd when it stabilizes. They were also exploring launchd route ("just because state of being pissed off is an art").
What left is a doubt that binary and monolithic nature of systemd may be misused in corporate or military way - to dictate development and to make systems vulnerable.
All else - is garbage.
Comment
Comment