Page 9 of 13 FirstFirst ... 7891011 ... LastLast
Results 81 to 90 of 125

Thread: Voting Proposed For Debian Jessie's Init System

  1. #81
    Join Date
    Mar 2013
    Posts
    237

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by valeriodean View Post
    They (systemd's devs) cannot make systemd a dependecy for everything
    Fortunately, that's true. But what part of "trying to" you don't understand?

    Quote Originally Posted by valeriodean View Post
    What they can certainly do is to provide a continuos flow of new, elegant, robust features.
    Wow, just wow. You're from Red Hat PR department, aren't you?

    Quote Originally Posted by TAXI View Post
    b) systemd is modular.
    Yeah. A manually-patch-and-recompile-everything-to-make-it-modular kind of modular.

    /facepalm

  2. #82
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Posts
    1,097

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by gens View Post
    bouth Lennart and Kay are huge proponents and contributors of GnomeOS
    if i were to be cynical id say it was their goal with systemd all along
    And the KDE community?

  3. #83
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Posts
    1,097

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by prodigy_ View Post
    But what part of "trying to" you don't understand?
    The mind-reading, I would think.

  4. #84
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Posts
    165

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by gens View Post
    so if systemd (the kernel in userspace) was designed in the stile of the linux kernel, you could take idk logind and use it without systemd (only thing userspace is really dependant on is the kernel)
    but you can't
    Huh?
    http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag...tem&px=MTMyMDE
    https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/+archive/logind
    http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/...-logind.8.html

  5. #85
    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Posts
    276

    Default

    This is unsupported and the implementation is already broken compared to newest SystemD.

  6. #86
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Posts
    165

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Pajn View Post
    This is unsupported and the implementation is already broken compared to newest SystemD.
    What do you mean for "unsupported"?
    Here it's marked as "Completed on 2013-05-29":
    https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubu...gind-migration

    And how is it broken? Any specific bug report?

  7. #87
    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Posts
    276

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by panda84 View Post
    What do you mean for "unsupported"?
    Here it's marked as "Completed on 2013-05-29":
    https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubu...gind-migration

    And how is it broken? Any specific bug report?
    Lennart Poettering made a post on G+ bragging that its broken.
    https://plus.google.com/+LennartPoet...ts/8RmiAQsW9qf
    The last time they tried that they took logind out of the systemd tree and ported it to Upstart. logind of course is one of the components of systemd where we explicitly documented that it is not a component you can rip out of systemd. And of course, just a few months after Canonical did this, things are broken again, and this was to be expected: logind now uses the new cgroups userspace APIs (as mentioned above), and hence it will not run without systemd around. So Ubuntu is stuck with an old and unsupported version of logind. If they advocate this as a solution, then they are in ignorance onthat what they have is already out-of-date. (And yeah, this matters, for example all the nifty stuff that allows Wayland to run nicely without privs is implemented in the newer logind versions, and not in Canonical's forked version).

  8. #88
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Posts
    165

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Pajn View Post
    Lennart Poettering made a post on G+ bragging that its broken.
    https://plus.google.com/+LennartPoet...ts/8RmiAQsW9qf
    Thanks for the pointer. So logind is meant to be part of systemd only.

  9. #89
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Posts
    41

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Pajn View Post
    This is unsupported and the implementation is already broken compared to newest SystemD.
    You can't expect systemd maintainers to support alternatives to their software.

    Here is a hint: they work on Systemd because they consider it the superior way. It is the job of those who disagree with that to provide support and maintain the alternative.

    An alternative even exists: consolekit. But all you see is the nonsystemd crown bitching about systemd instead of maintaining this alternative (let alone adding logind-compatible interfaces)

    The choices are that either Debian Jessie goes with Systemd or it will have subpar or aging Gnome AND KDE as both will be utilising systemd features.

  10. #90
    Join Date
    Mar 2013
    Posts
    160

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by prodigy_ View Post
    Fortunately, that's true. But what part of "trying to" you don't understand?
    And what part of "nobody forced other project to use any part of systemd (as per logind)" you don't understand?

    You are free to use their software as well as they are free to develop it following the direction they have in mind.
    You don't like the direction? Good, then you can:
    - fork it
    - adopt a different project
    - maintain the old project
    - start a new one

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •