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post-modernist interpretation of corporate interests, how convenient...
Originally posted by Del_ View PostWhat I am trying to say is, stereotypes don't really describe big companies well, unless it is Microsoft I guess, they seem to want war with everybody. In most cases big companies is a complex mixture of individuals with various influence on company policies.
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Originally posted by prodigy_ View PostWhile ALL corporations are evil, there's more than one shade of black. Please don't even try to compare Red Hat or Novell with Apple. The first is a clever geek lacking moral integrity. The second is a grumpy old man dreaming of the days of glory long since passed. And the third is a sadistic maniac ever on lookout for new victims.
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Clarification on Corporate Interests, in relation to FOSS.
All the interpretations of Corporate interests are completely off base, we don't need to pick between Corporations just being good fellas or illuminati members. The real answer is actually far less conspiratorial, and accounts for real economic corporate interests.
CopyLeft is seen by corporations as a net negative, for the most simple reasons, the model generates less profit than permissive licensing. Corporations are simple creatures, they exist for only one singular purpose above all other purposes, generating profits. The individual considerations do have some limited influence, but never enough to change this original purpose. For example, a CEO who valued his worker above making maximum profit would be swiftly fired, for failing to deliver on his purpose of generating maximum ROI. This is the economic world we live in, and no post-modern diversions account for clear truth. Corporations are single interest entities, not associations of individuals with individual economic interests.
In the drive for this profit, even though many individuals place ideology, morals, ethics, workers, above profit, the corporations never can consider those values. Only when in the case of those values promoting profit are they upheld, and SOMETIMES the profitable concern converges. This is also clearly demonstrated by the ideology of the OSI itself, they believe openness is best for conducting business overall, and this is why corporations work together on permissive software.
If that permissive software benefits overall, is a legitimate opinion. Who it benefits can be backed up with facts, but still can be debated.
Why it happens?? This isn't a matter of debate, and is directly related to why reciprocal doesn't happen in those same contexts. Economic interests are a sloppy business, they are not always lock-step, sometimes individuals and community interests break through... But they will always be on the losing side of concerns, and how often they break through are a reflection of the business structure.Last edited by techzilla; 14 June 2014, 04:58 PM.
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Originally posted by techzilla View PostIn the drive for this profit, even though many individuals place ideology, morals, ethics, workers, above profit, the corporations never can consider those values.
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Wrong. Many corporations are highly ideological.
Originally posted by techzilla View PostIn the drive for this profit, even though many individuals place ideology, morals, ethics, workers, above profit, the corporations never can consider those values.
General Electric is notoriously well known for being in bed with the Obama White House on multiple fronts.
It was only a month ago that Apple openly announced that if you do not believe in global warming, you shouldn't buy their stock. You should sell it off.
You may find it highly inconvenient, but the facts are in. Many corporations are highly ideological - above profits.
Corporations are simple creatures, they exist for only one singular purpose above all other purposes, generating profits.
Solyndra.
There are a whole host of companies large and small that exist to suck off of the republican party's teet via the Chamber of Crony Capitalism.(Chamber of Commerce) All they want, all that they care about, is that they can get their corporate socialism from big uncle sam.
If that permissive software benefits overall, is a legitimate opinion. Who it benefits can be backed up with facts, but still can be debated.
Why it happens?? This isn't a matter of debate, and is directly related to why reciprocal doesn't happen in those same contexts. Economic interests are a sloppy business, they are not always lock-step, sometimes individuals and community interests break through... But they will always be on the losing side of concerns, and how often they break through are a reflection of the business structure.
There are plenty who engage in Open Source. And there are plenty who are ideology-first, profits-second.
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Sorry for late answer on this one, forgot all about the thread..
Originally posted by techzilla View PostCopyLeft is seen by corporations as a net negative, for the most simple reasons, the model generates less profit than permissive licensing.
Originally posted by techzilla View PostCorporations are simple creatures, they exist for only one singular purpose above all other purposes, generating profits.
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