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    Default GNOME 3.11.2 Has Many Changes

    Phoronix: GNOME 3.11.2 Has Many Changes

    The GNOME 3.11.2 development release made it out a few days ago and with it comes many new features as developers work towards the stable GNOME 3.12 release in March...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTUyODU

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    Quote Originally Posted by Honton View Post
    The best feature is the side effect of the upower improvements. It shows how slow and untrustworthy the non-systemd stacks are moving. If the systemd alternatives don't get their act together very soon it is time for Gnome to ditch compatibility entirely instead of waiting.
    B..b..but systemd bloat and Lennart Poettering.

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    Looks good, on paper, but considering the piss poor state of the 3.10 branch in Debian I expect GNOME 3.12 to hit experimental broken into a half-usable installation for about 6 months after its release, like very other 3.x GNOME release.

    Integrate Facebook photos in GNOME Photos

    Status: in development.

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    Currently GNOME Online Accounts supports Facebook to access photos, also a GNOME Online Miner for Facebook photos has been developed using the GFBGraph library, which is a GObject library to access the Facebook Graph API. We should allow the user to view his Facebook photos from Photos.
    How about first letting people build a .plist/xml list of pathways stored in a shared preferences locally that allows one to reference their own workflow of photos to be visible as Desktop wallpapers? That would seem obvious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Driftmeyer View Post
    Looks good, on paper, but considering the piss poor state of the 3.10 branch in Debian I expect GNOME 3.12 to hit experimental broken into a half-usable installation for about 6 months after its release, like very other 3.x GNOME release.
    It is not clear whether you're laying the blame on Gnome or on Debian. If you mean Gnome, 3.10 has been working fine in Arch since release.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Honton View Post
    The best feature is the side effect of the upower improvements. It shows how slow and untrustworthy the non-systemd stacks are moving. If the systemd alternatives don't get their act together very soon it is time for Gnome to ditch compatibility entirely instead of waiting.
    They won't, there's nothing that they could drastically change that would make the system fully dependant on systemd.
    Look at the OpenBSD crew, they managed to port 3.10 over before most distros offered it in their repositories, and without logind support.

    So we'll be seeing Gnome on non-Linux for a while yet

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    Quote Originally Posted by intellivision View Post
    They won't, there's nothing that they could drastically change that would make the system fully dependant on systemd.
    Look at the OpenBSD crew, they managed to port 3.10 over before most distros offered it in their repositories, and without logind support.

    So we'll be seeing Gnome on non-Linux for a while yet
    But you'll probably loose some functionality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by intellivision View Post
    They won't, there's nothing that they could drastically change that would make the system fully dependant on systemd.
    Look at the OpenBSD crew, they managed to port 3.10 over before most distros offered it in their repositories, and without logind support.

    So we'll be seeing Gnome on non-Linux for a while yet
    upower 1.0 removes things that are provided by logind. So other bits in GNOME by supporting upower 1.0 now don't allow for a fallback. Else we'd have to basically implement the removed upower bits ourselves. So on *BSD we might need something which provides a basic logind dbus interface. So doesn't have to be logind, can be under a BSD license. But at the moment there is nothing.

    This was discussed on desktop-devel-list a month back or so. Now wondering if we properly warned distributions+*BSD about this..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Honton View Post
    The OpenBSD crowd does a good job for now. But 3.12 is another beast than 3.10.
    Cat and mouse my friend, they won't give up easily.

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    Quote Originally Posted by intellivision View Post
    Cat and mouse my friend, they won't give up easily.
    They should. Gnome has made it quite obvious they like Systemd and what it provides. Gnome has no love for anything outside of Linux, apparently...
    I have nothing against Systemd as an "init", but I hate their bully-methods to get it on every system.

    Also, learn to ignore Honton. He's worse than BO$$, and that's saying something. If you try to ask him a direct question, he'll try to answer it with either unsupported data from his head (AKA opinions), or deflect it with a "Gnome > KDE" post (yes, on threads that have nothing to do with KDE) *shrug*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daktyl198 View Post
    They should. Gnome has made it quite obvious they like Systemd and what it provides. Gnome has no love for anything outside of Linux, apparently...
    I have nothing against Systemd as an "init", but I hate their bully-methods to get it on every system.
    The OpenBSD developers have already given up on that, because they know that Gnome's alleged aiming for portability is nothing like a blatant lie:
    On OpenBSD we just dropped the features that need systemd for now. There was some talk about porting some
    systemd interfaces but the path GNOME is currently taking made us stop for now since it seems clearer each
    day that systemd will be a hard requirement at some point (not just 'some' interfaces). Even if they do not
    call it a hard requirement, you will loose 1/2 of what makes GNOME interesting which would render it
    useless to us.
    So for now it works ok enough I would say, but in the middle term, I don't see any future for !linux+systemd in
    GNOME. While some people are really opened about keeping fallback code for ConsoleKit or portability
    patches, some don't care at all or are even getting in our way on purpose.
    http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux....9/focus=187553

    Don't get me wrong, Gnome can be dependent on what they want, I don't care. But they should just stop with the obvious lies about portability and how they are not dependent on systemd. If they don't have the balls to do that they should at least bring those developers back in the line that are actively going into the way of Gnome's self declared goals. They can't have the cake and it eat, but in their case it seems that the cake is a lie.

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