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    Quote Originally Posted by mrugiero View Post
    It depends on the apps. It will always depend on apps support. A Samsung Galaxy is worthless if no apps run on it.
    Tizen can run Android apps, so that point is moot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dee. View Post
    Tizen can run Android apps, so that point is moot.
    It wasn't a point against Tizen. I believe it will be successful. It was a point against "blablabla they won't care it is not running Android if they want $high_end_phone". That one is a lie, plain and simple. They will not care, if they have the apps they want to run anyway. If they don't, they will bitch about it not having Android.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dee. View Post
    Tizen can run Android apps, so that point is moot.
    Thing is that 90% of the people who have purchased Android applications have done so through the Play Store, which Tizen will never have access to as it's Google's proprietary marketplace, and users won't want to buy apps again from either the Tizen marketplace or any of the other, less than satisfactory 3rd party Android markets
    That throws out the possibility of migration to those who have paid apps essentially.
    And Samsung hasn't been successful in its venture to replace Android starting with the Samsung App store. It's size and its usage is eclipsed by the Play Store, which isn't a great sign.

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    Tizen is dead. I think Samsung is repeating the exact mistake of Nokia, which is making an OS without giving it enough attention to at least launch a device loaded with that OS to see how commercially viable it is.

    I think SailfishOS has a 1000x more chance of succeeding than Tizen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by intellivision View Post
    Thing is that 90% of the people who have purchased Android applications have done so through the Play Store, which Tizen will never have access to as it's Google's proprietary marketplace, and users won't want to buy apps again from either the Tizen marketplace or any of the other, less than satisfactory 3rd party Android markets
    That throws out the possibility of migration to those who have paid apps essentially.
    And Samsung hasn't been successful in its venture to replace Android starting with the Samsung App store. It's size and its usage is eclipsed by the Play Store, which isn't a great sign.
    It's not exactly hard to get Google Play onto an AOSP ROM.

    Granted, Tizen would have to be designed for third-party root access for users to be able to easily install Google Play on their own, but that's a non-issue, barely worth mentioning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hrkristian View Post
    It's not exactly hard to get Google Play onto an AOSP ROM.

    Granted, Tizen would have to be designed for third-party root access for users to be able to easily install Google Play on their own, but that's a non-issue, barely worth mentioning.
    Tizen is not an AOSP ROM.
    To go off the experience users have had in the past sideloading Android applications and the Play Store, at least in the case of BB10, they use a proprietary apk format, the OS doesn't provide the same API hooks as Android and it doesn't have or expose everything that would be in a stock Android system, including specific functions that the Play Store requires.
    This may still mean that if you had the technical knowledge, you could install the Amazon Appstore or one of the many other smaller app stores depending on what they require, but few users use these to purchase applications in comparison to the Play Store, so access to that will be a deal breaker for many.

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    Quote Originally Posted by intellivision View Post
    Thing is that 90% of the people who have purchased Android applications have done so through the Play Store, which Tizen will never have access to as it's Google's proprietary marketplace, and users won't want to buy apps again from either the Tizen marketplace or any of the other, less than satisfactory 3rd party Android markets
    "Android will never be succesful because it doesn't have Apple app store".

    That throws out the possibility of migration to those who have paid apps essentially.
    And Samsung hasn't been successful in its venture to replace Android starting with the Samsung App store. It's size and its usage is eclipsed by the Play Store, which isn't a great sign.
    Developers will offer their apps in the Tizen store, why wouldn't they? The most popular apps are even now available on several app stores, even several platforms... Samsung is the biggest Android manufacturer, if they start offering Tizen phones, they can surely entice app developers to offer their apps for Tizen - after all, if they don't even have to do any actual porting, it's just free money for them.

    Besides most regular people don't really care all that much as long as they can get Angry Birds and Facebook.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dee. View Post
    "Android will never be succesful because it doesn't have Apple app store".
    Android became a sweeping success for reasons other than the number of apps e.g. runs on a wide range devices and architectures, good integration with Google's services, this is commonly accepted knowledge.
    Tizen however doesn't offer anything new that you can't get from Android already.

    Quote Originally Posted by dee. View Post
    Developers will offer their apps in the Tizen store, why wouldn't they? The most popular apps are even now available on several app stores, even several platforms... Samsung is the biggest Android manufacturer, if they start offering Tizen phones, they can surely entice app developers to offer their apps for Tizen - after all, if they don't even have to do any actual porting, it's just free money for them.

    Besides most regular people don't really care all that much as long as they can get Angry Birds and Facebook.
    Simply because Samsung offers something doesn't mean that all people who buy from them will adopt it. The number of users of the Samsung App Store compared to the Play Store, or ChatOn compared to every other chat platform, helps to demonstrate this fact.

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    What most people here don't see is that there will be two types of customers: The ones who buy a smartphone for the first time and the ones who replace their old one.

    For the first categorie it's completely irrelevant that it's not android: They aren't used to it.

    For the second one it will be a switch like from iOS to Android. Many did it before, what should prevent them from doing it again? Yes, the already purchased apps may be a problem, but that issue can be solved. App developers could give a serial number in the app already purchased (on Android) to re-activate the app in whatever app store Tizen uses, for example. Or samsung could offer a app that tracks the purchases into a cloud to reactivate them all at once. Maybe also some completely different solution. In the worst case none at all, but then it will still be like iOS -> Android, which (as already said) happened before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by intellivision View Post
    Android became a sweeping success for reasons other than the number of apps e.g. runs on a wide range devices and architectures, good integration with Google's services, this is commonly accepted knowledge.
    Not everyone cares about good integrations with Google's services. Most people are probably happy as long as they can watch youtube vids and do google searches, and since both work via web anyway, that's not an issue.

    Tizen however doesn't offer anything new that you can't get from Android already.
    Depends how you look at it. More efficient use of limited resources, leading to potentially better battery life, is a definite benefit.

    Simply because Samsung offers something doesn't mean that all people who buy from them will adopt it. The number of users of the Samsung App Store compared to the Play Store, or ChatOn compared to every other chat platform, helps to demonstrate this fact.
    Lack of Play store didn't stop Amazon, why would it stop Samsung?

    Besides, the same thing applies to Jolla and Firefox OS as well, neither of them have access to Google Play either. Google Play isn't the be-all-end-all of mobile phones.

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