I'd watch the crap out of this debate. LIVE! Yes, popcorn will be included. I hope Mark responds, but let's make it a point of shutting the hell up after the debate. People asking questions can be linked to the video of it in the future, and make their own decisions.
I object the old school way of thinking in the linux desktop comunity. It has not worked very well: too much teenager politics.
Originally Posted by aironeous
And I have to ask you again why you think that your opinion on the Free Qt agreement has any validity or even authority, since you have admitted not to be a lawyer. Again, troll somewhere else, no one on Phoronix cares about your bullshit.
Originally Posted by Honton
[Mark said] they suffer from the "Not Invented Here" syndrome...
Well, look who is talking. To my memory Wayland was here waaaaay before MIR, same for upstart (I am sure you could have adapted one of the tons of other init daemons that are out there) - and btw, dont compare it to systemd, that thing has (afaik) a completely different concept to the other init daemons (because it is not an init daemon but a system manager).
Originally Posted by djdoo
But I guess it could actually be interesting and maybe shed some light on Canonical's intentions. Not that I'd use their software but they still have big fellowship of users.
I had used it to set up other people's computers back in the days before any new surfaces, shopping lenses or mir projects were probably even thought of. But there are numerous other distributions doing a fine job at being precompiled and quick to install: SuSE, Mageia, RH based ones, other DEB-based ones, ...
And god bless Gentoo.
Okay, isn't it moronic to turn the TEA party into an insult? Seriously have the TEA party and their ideas have been in power recently? I would have thought that big government guys and keynesians were all to blame. But well ... I guess it is not a surprise that so many people are brainwashed by the mainstream media.
Apparently the guy took quite an uneducated swipe at the Tea Party. I didn't get to see the original comments because he wisely removed them... but what is with people who get upset over "name calling" and being "insulted" and then go on to essentially call the Tea Party a bunch of assholes? Is the inherent hypocrisy so deep that it's not even perceptible to the individual?
Why is people bitching about Canonical's CLA?
Qt has the same contribution agreement. All rights belong to Digia. Qt started being a close library and ended with an opensource, free counterpart but still had a closed version for projects or companies willing to pay for it.
Qt being better than GTK+ and also free software, I think that CLA madness is stupid. The same happens with Canonical's CLA. Huh, the code is GPLv3, what's the problem?
I don't see Canonical going the Apple way. They're supporting standards and all of their development is open. Sure, there was that bazaar discussion and currently Landscape is closed source software. I think Launchpad was also closed at the beginning, but they opened it and launchpad helped to build a great infraestructure of repositories and free software projects.
Maybe they are not top contributors of the Linux kernel but I don't think it's a must and I don't see them doing things and keeping that for them secretly.
A lot of people contribute to the kernel, just not Canonical/Ubuntu. Canonical takes from others and mashes it into Ubuntu, then doesn't contribute anything back.
Originally Posted by Filiprino
Hell, Microsoft contributes more to the kernel than Canonical ever has and Microsoft only contributes Hyper-V support.
That's no longer true: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/09...l_report_2013/
Originally Posted by synaptix
It was a one time event related to their Hyper-V support. If Canonical had anything to add to the linux kernel in order to get their distro up and running with Linux, they would too.
Upstart was a good contribution from Canonical, although not a Linux component. There are also some kernel patches related to radeon modules.