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Luc Verhaegen Comments On Intel/Mir Politics
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Originally posted by Pajn View PostThe whole Wayland vs. Mir is just fanboys and hatred.
People who care about the technology doesn't rely care.
There is valid arguments against Conanical's choice to use their own DS, and it doesn't just involve emotional attachments to one tech or the other.
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Originally posted by jrch2k8 View Postis backwards, is certain that intel won't touch Mir, so canonical will have to maintain their own mesa branch to make Mir support intel drivers, aka the burden of support the hardware is back to canonical which is the one with the genius idea of make Mir in the first place, not intel in the upstream driver that have noting to do with canonical decisions.
so like is working today ubuntu will provide a mesa packages will all the neccesary patches to support open drivers in Mir and regular mesa will have wayland support by default thats is all this decision means
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Originally posted by phoronix View PostPhoronix: Luc Verhaegen Comments On Intel/Mir Politics
Luc Verhaegen, the former RadeonHD graphics driver developer at SUSE and now working on the Lima project for reverse-engineering ARM Mali graphics, has shared his thoughts on the recent developments surrounding Intel backing out their XMir driver support...
http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTQ1ODE
And then calls on Intel to be mature. Sure, Intel can forgive Canonical, so long as Mark Shuttleworth scraps his Mir plans and moves over the developer efforts toward bringing Wayland and XWayland to the desktop, and switches back to his original commitment. Should Intel take on Canonical's responsibility of maintaining their patches because Mir users might potentially expose bugs that can be patched up upstream? To me that is a barely tenable argument... because Wayland users - of which there will be thousandfold more (if not even more), will have exposed every bug in every nook and cranny of the Wayland source code and the Intel GPU drivers.
All due respect to Luc - but he is posturing and adding nothing new to this discussion. Canonical made their bed, now they need to lie in it.
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Originally posted by MartinN View Postbecause Wayland users - of which there will be thousandfold more (if not even more), will have exposed every bug in every nook and cranny of the Wayland source code and the Intel GPU drivers.
Maybe they can get the X bugs ironed out first.
Even on Windows the Intel drivers and GPUs are a bit of a joke.
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Originally posted by johnc View PostMaybe they can get the X bugs ironed out first.
more simply put every line of code made in the last 5 years to the graphic stack in kernel and userspace was with the goal of creating wayland, wayland is the final piece needed to complete the graphic stack upgrade[aka the usable user side API for toolkits] even more simply wayland didn't take 5 years of ultra carefully slow protocol design, rewrite the entire graphic stack to make wayland possible took 5 years.
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Originally posted by F i L View PostTo be fair (and i'm no X11 expert) X11 doesn't really have so many "bugs" as it has "architectural flaws".
The idea that in due time (and soon) every bug will be ironed out of Wayland and Intel's driver is kind of silly.
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Originally posted by F i L View PostTo be fair (and i'm no X11 expert) X11 doesn't really have so many "bugs" as it has "architectural flaws".
If you'd ask me if it was flawed in 1996, I'd probably say 'heck no'
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