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    Phoronix: Fedora 20 Goes For No Default Sendmail, Syslog

    There was a Fedora Engineering and Steering Committee meeting yesterday where more features of Fedora 20 were approved...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTQzNzQ

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    This will also make it a Little faster will it not?

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    Systemd journal is crap. Storing logs in binary format means breaking UNIX principles and making sysadmin's job harder. RedHat used to have a clue but it seems they've completely lost touch with reality by now. Much like Canonical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by prodigy_ View Post
    Systemd journal is crap. Storing logs in binary format means breaking UNIX principles and making sysadmin's job harder. RedHat used to have a clue but it seems they've completely lost touch with reality by now. Much like Canonical.
    "Breaking unix principles" Sorry but...not really. Also if you hate the systemd journal so much there is literally nothing stopping you from installing syslog and having journald forward messages to syslog. You actually come out BETTER because the Journal takes more detailed logs and syslog will GET those more detailed logs, therefore increasing the effectiveness OF the syslog logs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by prodigy_ View Post
    Systemd journal is crap. Storing logs in binary format means breaking UNIX principles and making sysadmin's job harder. RedHat used to have a clue but it seems they've completely lost touch with reality by now. Much like Canonical.
    how dare they break unix principals, I say we should all go back to having to manually communicate with the CPU by switches on the computer and programming in FORTRAN because we're just ruining years of computer tradition!

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    Quote Originally Posted by peppercats View Post
    how dare they break unix principals, I say we should all go back to having to manually communicate with the CPU by switches on the computer and programming in FORTRAN because we're just ruining years of computer tradition!
    If the only thing you have is sarcasm instead of facts, then go home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tron_ston View Post
    The Unix way is obsolete. It's what holds Linux back and it's the reason why UNIX and BSD are dying. To continue to succeed in the future, Linux must get rid of the vestiges of UNIX.

    Following the UNIX principle made the early development of Linux manageable with such a small number of developers. But now there are many developers and Linux is being used seriously.
    This has got to be one of the most retarded things I've ever heard anyone say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tron_ston View Post
    The Unix way is obsolete. It's what holds Linux back and it's the reason why UNIX and BSD are dying. To continue to succeed in the future, Linux must get rid of the vestiges of UNIX.

    Following the UNIX principle made the early development of Linux manageable with such a small number of developers. But now there are many developers and Linux is being used seriously.
    I always laugh when I read stuff like this.

    On the one hand we hear endlessly about how Linux has conquered the entire universe and is in everything from supercomputers to toasters. Then on the other hand we hear that Linux will go nowhere unless it's as moronic as Windows 95 (and I see there is a lot of push lately to make Linux as idiotic as possible, whether it's from RH or Canonical).

    I'll just put it out there: if you're going for desktop share, then, no -- none of all these new fad projects are going to make Linux any more profitable on the desktop.


    edit: and lol @ Fedora as anything other than a testbed for RHEL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnc View Post
    I'll just put it out there: if you're going for desktop share, then, no -- none of all these new fad projects are going to make Linux any more profitable on the desktop. edit: and lol @ Fedora as anything other than a testbed for RHEL.
    If you notice, who is funding these projects, you would note that it has not much to do with the desktop. systemd is far more widely deployed on embedded systems than for desktop as an example. Also Fedora is used as more than a testbed in a wide variety of places. I just attended flock - fedora conference where there were atleast three different major organizations including Yahoo! deploying Fedora in developer workstations in several thousands of systems in part to get them ahead of the curve and be able to participate early on where enterprise linux is heading towards. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQzm1qoc2XA

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    Quote Originally Posted by RahulSundaram View Post
    I just attended flock - fedora conference where there were atleast three different major organizations including Yahoo! deploying Fedora in developer workstations in several thousands of systems in part to get them ahead of the curve and be able to participate early on where enterprise linux is heading towards. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQzm1qoc2XA
    Maybe I am missing something here, but doesn't that mean that Yahoo uses Fedora because it is the testbed for the largest enterprise distro? How should they get ahead of the curve and participate early on where enterprise Linux is heading towards if this would not be the case?

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