The problem with Qualcomm is that they are too good. They pretty much own the American market because of their radio support. They're in every high-end Android phone it seems like and are in the Nokias. Other than Apple, everyone else is just going for the scraps.
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Originally posted by mcirsta View PostThis will all be history soon when the new 22nm Atoms arrive and blow all this ARM stuff out of the water as far as performance goes. Don't get me wrong, I like ARM and I'm no fan of Intel and x86 but this has gone on for long enough. No open source drivers for ARM GPUs, custom kernels and bootloaders for ARM and so on.
The 22nm Atoms will change all this as they will have Intel open source GPUs with Intel finally dropping those crappy PowerVR GPUs they used in Atoms. ARM will feel the pressure for the first time and they can make some changes ( they already started some unification work in the kernel with DTS and all that ) and open source the Mali drivers or at least provide documentation or they can just sit while I and others buy Intel powered smartphones and tablets.
The fact is that arm is not only sufficiently powerfull and low power, but also very cheap and Intel is yet to market an LTE modem, so no US phone will sport Inel chips anytime soon. Intel will have to really lower its margins and launch a goos integrated LTE modem to really steal qualcomm's thunder.
On the bright side, it seems like ARMv8 will solve most of the fragmented kernel thing that currently plagues arm socs...
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Originally posted by mcirsta View PostThis will all be history soon when the new 22nm Atoms arrive and blow all this ARM stuff out of the water as far as performance goes. Don't get me wrong, I like ARM and I'm no fan of Intel and x86 but this has gone on for long enough. No open source drivers for ARM GPUs, custom kernels and bootloaders for ARM and so on.
The 22nm Atoms will change all this as they will have Intel open source GPUs with Intel finally dropping those crappy PowerVR GPUs they used in Atoms. ARM will feel the pressure for the first time and they can make some changes ( they already started some unification work in the kernel with DTS and all that ) and open source the Mali drivers or at least provide documentation or they can just sit while I and others buy Intel powered smartphones and tablets.
Also, even if intel/x86 has better performance, it's doubtful if they can compete with ARM in price. ARM has a simpler architecture, with less legacy cruft, and their power consumption is still way ahead of x86.
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Originally posted by uid313 View PostI understand why he quits.
The reason to buy a Nexus device is that it is you get the Google experience, it's open, you can have root, etc.
If the Nexus devices are proprietary then that sucks.
I think Google should have never partnered with Qualcomm, they should have continued with Nvidia or went with whoever is the most open source friendly.
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Originally posted by GreatEmerald View PostWell, last time I checked, Qualcomm Atheros was still the best option in terms of Linux-friendly network devices.
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Originally posted by prodigy_ View PostWhat? I seriously hope you're joking here, dude. Because if you're serious, then... I don't even know where to start telling you how wrong you are. Atheros is the worst pile of shit that has ever tried to look like it could do networking. Especially when it comes to Linux.
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Originally posted by Figueiredo View PostI'm not a developer so I may be wrong here, but I though the worst thing about android is that it requires a custom kernel to support every single device. It must be frustrating to maintain an entire stack that talks to hundreds or thousands of shitty vendor hacked and buggy kernels. Google will surely have to sort this mess some time right? Maybe with ARMv8?
Also I expect the ARMv8 kernels to be a lot more unified in the near future.
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Originally posted by prodigy_ View PostWhat? I seriously hope you're joking here, dude. Because if you're serious, then... I don't even know where to start telling you how wrong you are. Atheros is the worst pile of shit that has ever tried to look like it could do networking. Especially when it comes to Linux.
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Originally posted by Figueiredo View PostI wouldn't be so sure. The Motorola "Razr i" has an atom soc and didn't even get CM ported to it yet. This phone sounds like the best one to run ubuntu for phones, due to the x86 cpu being able to run mainstream kernel, but no support either.
The fact is that arm is not only sufficiently powerfull and low power, but also very cheap and Intel is yet to market an LTE modem, so no US phone will sport Inel chips anytime soon. Intel will have to really lower its margins and launch a goos integrated LTE modem to really steal qualcomm's thunder.
On the bright side, it seems like ARMv8 will solve most of the fragmented kernel thing that currently plagues arm socs...
The intel atom socs up to now had the powerVr graphics; but the next atom batch will have ivy bridge graphic cores , and the whole intel stack is open source, from kernel to mesa.
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Originally posted by sireangelus View PostThe intel atom socs up to now had the powerVr graphics; but the next atom batch will have ivy bridge graphic cores , and the whole intel stack is open source, from kernel to mesa.
Obviously there is some way to accomplish all of the abov, CM is proof of it, but that only happens on very popular devices which have high developer interest. Thus, unless intel wins some really high profile designs, I wouldn't expect much.
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