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Canonical Puts Out Mir 0.0.6 Release For Ubuntu
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Originally posted by BO$$ View PostI was referring to flexibility as in how flexible the desktop version is, not that you can install it on a robot.
Anyways:Wayland, watching its progress, seems amateurish at best.
As much as it sucks to admit it, sometimes corporations do deliver better results than amateurs.
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Originally posted by Vim_User View PostHave it controlling a robot or a drone with an Arduino board?
Originally posted by BO$$ View PostI was referring to flexibility as in how flexible the desktop version is, not that you can install it on a robot.
Originally posted by BO$$ View PostWayland should have been the future X.org but since it took them so long to get it going, Canonical, instead of waiting even more, rolled out their own thing faster. Hopefully they can talk to other companies to support it and if they make it popular by including it on Ubuntu (which is quite popular whatever you may say) then there won't be any fragmentation as wayland will be dead. At this rate it just seems that Wayland is the one that is causing the fragmentation. Canonical said they will do something and did it. Wayland, watching its progress, seems amateurish at best.
Clutter and QT have full Wayland support, EFL and GTK+ are almost complete and SDL is on it's way. And they have XWayland witch is further ahead then XMir. Mir has XMir. It is also to early to declare a victor, or the demise of any of the two. You simply seam to be forcasting the future from a biased/incomplete view.
Originally posted by BO$$ View PostAs much as it sucks to admit it, sometimes corporations do deliver better results than amateurs. It could be that if the management is good they can focus the employees on the objective compared to open source where there is basically no management, nobody can tell you what to do or else you're fired. It sucks I know. I like the idea that projects spring into existence created by a guy and evolve naturally, just like in biological evolution with no one directing anything. But sometimes evolution is just too slow and a company can bring the future today faster.Last edited by AJenbo; 09 July 2013, 09:03 PM.
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Originally posted by BO$$ View PostBecause of the fragmentation that is killing the linux platform. GTK Qt and others aren't doing any favors. Now there will also be Wayland and Mir. Just perfect. Windows has Win32 and that is all. You deal with it and make everything look consistent. Linux is just too fragmented. A company should come and standardize one of those and achieve real market penetration. Then everybody will be more or less forced to support it if they want to be popular => less fragmentation => less annoyance and inconsistency. Unity and now Mir are a step in the right direction. If Canonical also manages to get Ubuntu preinstalled on a lot of PCs the future looks good.
How does Mir help in the *current* fragmentation of the Linux desktop? Well, considering it's mostly toolkits (which Canonical said will be supported *both* by Mir) and audio (which has not much to do with either display system), it does not help.
How does Mir prevents fragmentation? Taking into account it doesn't help on the toolkits side, but adds a new backend, it doesn't help, but creates new problems.
So, nope, it doesn't help, I'm sorry.
Originally posted by BO$$ View PostDEs. Too many DEs. People need at least a sane default. Gnome 3 is always changing and extensions don't work from one version to the next. KDE could be good if it didn't look as it does. People don't seem to like the colours chosen, effects etc. Unity for both desktops and mobile seems to work.
DEs is not the problem. As long as they support a common standard (hint: they do, read ICCCM and EWMH for more information), apps are treated the same way. Both the looks and the extra, unneeded, disk and memory use, come from the toolkits.
So, the problem you mention is in the toolkits side. And since they are supposed to be supported on Mir, Mir doesn't help to avoid this fragmentation.
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Originally posted by BO$$ View PostPeople want consistency so if Ubuntu achieves enough market penetration they will probably go with Qt which looks a bit better than GTK+. And hopefully GTK+ will die a slow horrible death. One toolkit is enough. GTK+ programmers will adapt.
Most default applications in Ubuntu use GTK by the way.
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Originally posted by BO$$ View PostBut they move Unity to Qt from what I've heard so I thought they must have chosen Qt for the future.
I am a developer but never had anything to do with either Qt or GTK. From what I read Qt uses C++ while GTK uses some horrid design trying to make C like C++ using GObject. That thing should be banned.
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Originally posted by BO$$ View PostBut they move Unity to Qt from what I've heard so I thought they must have chosen Qt for the future.
Originally posted by BO$$ View PostFrom what I read Qt uses C++ while GTK uses some horrid design trying to make C like C++ using GObject. That thing should be banned.
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Originally posted by Vim_User View PostWhat really should be banned is making such statements based on admittedly uninformed opinions. And you still managed to avoid an answer to the question why you think that adding more fragmentation is a good thing to prevent fragmentation.
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