XWayland 2D Performance Appears Better Than XMir

[etique57]

Are you serious? Choice my ass. You know shit about who and when created this or that or who made linux the way it is now. And surprise surprise it's not Canonical. Mir supposed to be distro specific display server, but that automatically creates big problem because ubuntu has huge user base.

Deal with it. It's not going away.

Xanax anyone?

[etique57]

Only when there is difference between picks.
Not choice for the sake of choice. That's the difference between 'choice' and 'waste'.

It's not as if you didn't have the choice, right?

As Ubuntu doesn't "contribute back" (2004-... rant) anyway, where's the loss for you? You'll have your Wayland (2013-... rant)/Gnome Shell (2010-... rant) based distros all the same.

[Kostas]

The most funny thing about all this is that before the Mir announcement, we never really heard these people about the display stack. And why would we? Although X11 is old and creaky, the X.org dev team has worked around the deficiencies and has given us a display server with X.org, which serves our needs to this day and while not perfect, it is more than adequate. It has certainly supported Canonical through Warty Warthog to Raring Ringtail.

Can't emphasize this more. Even including the odd trolls way more than half of the "What have the wayland devs been doing in the last 5 years" crowd didn't know what a display server was before Canonical decided to flip the bird at the community.

[Maxjen]

It's not as if you didn't have the choice, right?

As Ubuntu doesn't "contribute back" (2004-... rant) anyway, where's the loss for you? You'll have your Wayland (2013-... rant)/Gnome Shell (2010-... rant) based distros all the same.

Ubuntu has the highest market share on Linux, so there will probably be Mir applications which we can't run on a Wayland based distribution. In the worst case scenario we might not be able to play steam games for example. Also if you are a new Linux user and happen to use Ubuntu you wont have the awesome possibility to install multiple desktop environments side by side which was THE most impressive thing for me when I switched to Linux.(XMir is NOT an option!)

[etique57]

Ubuntu has the highest market share on Linux, so there will probably be Mir applications which we can't run on a Wayland based distribution. In the worst case scenario we might not be able to play steam games for example. Also if you are a new Linux user and happen to use Ubuntu you wont have the awesome possibility to install multiple desktop environments side by side which was THE most impressive thing for me when I switched to Linux.(XMir is NOT an option!)

Oh, you're right, I didn't know Ubuntu was about to remove Xorg or Wayland from the repo, or even preventing you from compiling anything that's not M.S. approved. And of course, any PPA with other display servers will get killed and hacked to pieces and burned and cursed.

Just like they did with Gnome Shell or Gnome 2 when Unity was released.

Bad, baaaaaad Ubuntu.

Oh, wait. Choice, you know.

[dee.]

Sometimes these forever noob Windows refugees really show their annoying ignorance. When Wayland was recognised to be a worthy approach to succeed X11 (in the guise of X.org), the Linux graphics stack was not in shape to support the technological requirements of an architecture like Wayland.

So all the years that "Wayland was never finished" the Wayland/X.org devs were busy clearing the ground and building the foundations on which Wayland will run. KMS, graphics memory management and scheduling in the kernel, input improvements, Mesa (OGL) improvements, modularization of X.org with an eye towards Wayland, all of that to create an environment were Wayland can operate.

Somewhere along the way comes Canonical and the Self-Appointed BS-ing^H^H^H^H^H^H Benevolent Dictator For Life and they proclaim Wayland support (with tremendous fanfare) on Ubuntu at such an early stage that it raises eyebrows. Then for the following years, Canonical doesn't do a thing to advance Wayland in any shape or form. Then right at the time that Wayland, the toolkits and the desktop environments get ready to build the new grand display edifice, Canonical swoops in and drops their prefabbed little shack on the corner of the Wayland foundations. They make a lot of noise over their little hut, talk trash over the Wayland project (while largely ignoring wo built the foundations under their shed) and then expect the world to support their little hovel.

Ever since Canonical said "Ooh shiny, graphics, Mir", we have a lot of know-nothing Ubuntu users screaming "Mir, Mir, Mir, Now, Now, Now!" They bought the Wayland FUD hook, line and sinker and never thought about where Canonical is going and if it is where they want to follow. The most funny thing about all this is that before the Mir announcement, we never really heard these people about the display stack. And why would we? Although X11 is old and creaky, the X.org dev team has worked around the deficiencies and has given us a display server with X.org, which serves our needs to this day and while not perfect, it is more than adequate. It has certainly supported Canonical through Warty Warthog to Raring Ringtail.

Damn well said. You, sir, deserve all the cookies.

Watch out though, bo$$ will soon come along to call you a basement dweller, and all the other little ubuntu trolls will flock up to accuse you of "politics", whatever it means...

[blackout23]

Sometimes these forever noob Windows refugees really show their annoying ignorance. When Wayland was recognised to be a worthy approach to succeed X11 (in the guise of X.org), the Linux graphics stack was not in shape to support the technological requirements of an architecture like Wayland.

So all the years that "Wayland was never finished" the Wayland/X.org devs were busy clearing the ground and building the foundations on which Wayland will run. KMS, graphics memory management and scheduling in the kernel, input improvements, Mesa (OGL) improvements, modularization of X.org with an eye towards Wayland, all of that to create an environment were Wayland can operate.

Somewhere along the way comes Canonical and the Self-Appointed BS-ing^H^H^H^H^H^H Benevolent Dictator For Life and they proclaim Wayland support (with tremendous fanfare) on Ubuntu at such an early stage that it raises eyebrows. Then for the following years, Canonical doesn't do a thing to advance Wayland in any shape or form. Then right at the time that Wayland, the toolkits and the desktop environments get ready to build the new grand display edifice, Canonical swoops in and drops their prefabbed little shack on the corner of the Wayland foundations. They make a lot of noise over their little hut, talk trash over the Wayland project (while largely ignoring wo built the foundations under their shed) and then expect the world to support their little hovel.

Ever since Canonical said "Ooh shiny, graphics, Mir", we have a lot of know-nothing Ubuntu users screaming "Mir, Mir, Mir, Now, Now, Now!" They bought the Wayland FUD hook, line and sinker and never thought about where Canonical is going and if it is where they want to follow. The most funny thing about all this is that before the Mir announcement, we never really heard these people about the display stack. And why would we? Although X11 is old and creaky, the X.org dev team has worked around the deficiencies and has given us a display server with X.org, which serves our needs to this day and while not perfect, it is more than adequate. It has certainly supported Canonical through Warty Warthog to Raring Ringtail.

Quoted for fucking truth!

[Maxjen]

Oh, you're right, I didn't know Ubuntu was about to remove Xorg or Wayland from the repo, or even preventing you from compiling anything that's not M.S. approved. And of course, any PPA with other display servers will get killed and hacked to pieces and burned and cursed.

Just like they did with Gnome Shell or Gnome 2 when Unity was released.

Bad, baaaaaad Ubuntu.

Oh, wait. Choice, you know.

You are missing the point. You can't have different desktop environments installed side by side without breaking your Unity desktop. I bet because of this the majority of new Linux users will most likely not even bother to try anything else. And the more important point, which you totally ignored, is that native Mir application will NOT run under Wayland or Xorg! If you can't see how this is bad I don't know what else to say.

[alexThunder]

[?]native Mir application will NOT run under Wayland or Xorg! If you can't see how this is bad I don't know what else to say.

What about having WaylandMir and MirWayland, like we have XWayland and XMir?

[Maxjen]

What about having WaylandMir and MirWayland, like we have XWayland and XMir?

If something like that gets developed and works without any disadvantages I will happily stop complaining about Mir.