Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 15

Thread: Unity 8 Is Now Available For Testing In Ubuntu 13.10

  1. #1
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Posts
    14,300

    Default Unity 8 Is Now Available For Testing In Ubuntu 13.10

    Phoronix: Unity 8 Is Now Available For Testing In Ubuntu 13.10

    A very early version of the Unity 8 user-interface for phones and mobile devices is now available for testing on Ubuntu 13.10 without needing to use any special package repositories or other complicated steps...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTQyNzM

  2. #2
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Location
    Old Europe
    Posts
    904

    Default

    The Unity 8 mode for traditional desktops isn't also yet in a good state with
    Canonical developers being very focused on the mobile experience at this point.
    The desktop part will probably mean additional work.
    So far it seems Canonical needs to maintain the EGL platform downstream.

    The request to add the MIR EGL platform to upstream Mesa by raof did not receive a single reply.
    http://lists.freedesktop.org/archive...ly/042133.html
    All other patch sets in July did.

  3. #3
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Posts
    46

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by entropy View Post
    The request to add the MIR EGL platform to upstream Mesa by raof did not receive a single reply.
    http://lists.freedesktop.org/archive...ly/042133.html
    All other patch sets in July did.
    I find it quite strange.
    I was expecting either no reply at all or a normal review process, but not "reviews on the driver patches but nothing on mesa patches".
    Especially when mesa patches are the only "merge-able" (not draft) ones and that a big part of them (14/15) could also be useful for the Wayland platform (AFAIK).

    Maybe there were some chats about it on IRC?

  4. #4
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Posts
    80

    Default

    Does that sound like what I think it does? Sabotaging Mir?

    Oh man, this community...

  5. #5
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Location
    USA
    Posts
    715

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Ishayu View Post
    Does that sound like what I think it does? Sabotaging Mir?

    Oh man, this community...
    na Mir's trying to Sabotage Desktop Linux
    any ways it's not going to be hard for them to maintain downstream so why put it into the Main Code Base at all when it's going to be Mir Only if you even look at the patches you can see that most if not all of them are going to be Mir/Ubuntu only and has a Canonical on it

  6. #6
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Location
    Old Europe
    Posts
    904

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Malizor View Post
    I find it quite strange.
    I was expecting either no reply at all or a normal review process, but not "reviews on the driver patches but nothing on mesa patches".
    Especially when mesa patches are the only "merge-able" (not draft) ones and that a big part of them (14/15) could also be useful for the Wayland platform (AFAIK).

    Maybe there were some chats about it on IRC?
    Don't know.

    As for the driver patches - just a guess:

    IIRC, only developers employed by intel and AMD replied.
    It might be of strong interest of those companies to make Mir run properly on their hardware.
    The motivation can be different for the rest of the Mesa community.

    Sabotaging Mir:

    Don't think so. There are good reasons not to include those patches upstream and leave it to
    Canonical to maintain it downstream. I agree that it would be definitely nicer to reply.
    But even without the "emotional issues" in this debate, the answer would probably be "no way" - in a kind way.

  7. #7
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Posts
    1,287

    Default

    Just to comment (I didn't want to look for the older threads) that XMir is in far better shape right now. They released a new version a few days ago and both speed and memory use issues (the latter were marginal, anyway) are gone, and the extra cursor as well. It still logs key strokes (which is not good), and text input on a text editor still show artifacts.

    As for Unity on the desktop, it makes sense to focus on the phone version since this will be the first to be officially released.

    On sabotaging, that's not what it looks like to me. It's just a "we don't care about your in-house solutions". Sabotaging would be, for example, making it check if it runs on Mir to make it stop working (I heard Unity checks if running on other distros, Arch people had to remove this code for obvious reasons to use it). As long as: they are the ones maintaining the code (and they should be, since they are the only ones using it), there isn't anything on upstream stopping it from being applied or making it unnecessarily harder, and obviously it being Canonical only, there is no point in merging upstream. Not for mesa, not for Canonical, even (except if they want others to maintain it for them, which would be just nonsense, they choose to go on their own, it's their responsibility), they can be maintained downstream. It's extremely impolite and unkind from mesa devs to not answer (they should just tell them they don't care, if they don't), but seriously calling it a sabotage is ridiculous, IMO. Actually taking the time of reading the code and making comments on its quality (it takes time to make insightful comments, since the obvious are usually spotted by the one who commits the patch before it's sent), on the other hand, is something they have no need to do if they think it shouldn't be merged for being distro specific; still, if that's the case someone should answer the mail telling them. The community doesn't need to lose time on Canonical's (or anyone else that doesn't really care about working with the community) whims.

  8. #8
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Posts
    1,287

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by LinuxGamer View Post
    if you even look at the patches you can see that most if not all of them are going to be Mir/Ubuntu only
    Well, that's the point of those patches: adding support for Mir, not implementing any feature on mesa. That's why I wouldn't count it as an actual contribution upstream until (if) some other distro shows interest on Mir.

    has a Canonical on it
    Is there anything wrong with that? Other commits come with $AUTHOR on it.

  9. #9
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Posts
    703

    Default

    Someone should just fork the Unity repo and make it a wayland compositor.
    That would troll the shit out of them.

  10. #10
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Posts
    46

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by blackout23 View Post
    Someone should just fork the Unity repo and make it a wayland compositor.
    That would troll the shit out of them.
    You can turn Mir into a Wayland compositor. This is even suggested on the project home page.
    Last edited by Malizor; 08-02-2013 at 02:52 PM.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •