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The First Benchmarks Of Unity On XMir: There's A Performance Hit
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Originally posted by computerquip View PostConsidering I've been playing with XWayland since late 2012, why haven't XWayland tests been brought forth?
Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual or fbconfig
and glxgear gives
Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual
libglx.so seems to be properly loaded from X.org.log
Will try to file a bug report tomorrow if nothing comes out.
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Originally posted by BO$$ View PostConsidering how slow the development is it's clear that people have been less than invested in it. Look at how fast Mir gets developed. They announce it. Bam. They release a test version earlier than expected. Bam. Will be default faster than expected. Bam. While Wayland, we've been hearing about it since 2008-2009. Talk about development hell. And Intel who says they work on Wayland is known to be Microsoft's girlfriend. They're not exactly hurrying with the release now are they?
He'll never admit that Wayland might not be what they said it will be. Right now it looks like a failed project. Too little. Too late.
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The problem with these new display servers is not the complexity in writing them. They are designed with the intention of not doing much at all, that is the whole point behind Wayland.
The difficulty is in coming up with a good protocol that is future-proof and widely agreed upon by the community so it can last a long while. That's one of the reasons why Wayland is taking so long, in addition to the fact that X is good enough (tm) for most people and most applications right now, so there is not much money being pumped into Wayland.
What Ubuntu did is take Wayland concepts shortly before the Wayland protocol was finalised, add their own changes without consulting anyone, then writing the server in-house (arguably the easiest part of the whole process). The result is a server nobody in the community wants to support, which is exclusive to Ubuntu, and Canonical will have to maintain compatibility patches for all relevant toolkits and libraries.
I cannot imagine Mir having any impact on the Linux ecosystem at all. Wayland, perhaps.
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Michael, there's a mistake on the 5th page:
OpenArena 0.8.5, which is a rather CPU-limited game and doesn't even make use of GLSL, saw no performance difference at 800 x 600 but at 1920 x 1080, the old game saw its frame-rate drop by about 25% with going through XMir.
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I'm personally not surprised by these results at all - Canonical got a head start since they decided to base this off of Android's code, to some degree anyway. As said before, a compatibility layer will always result in poorer performance, HOWEVER, that means worse performance compared to native. So for example, a game compiled to work for Wayland will perform better than the X version in Xwayland. But, Xwayland could still potentially perform better than X11. But considering how young Mir is, I'm not surprised it performed worse, and its performance loss is far from "what a shame, just kill it".
At this point I'm finding it a bit tough to figure out which display server will end up being the best replacement to X:
Pros of Mir over Wayland:
* MUCH faster development
* Supposed to get Android driver support
* A seemingly more devoted team
Pros way Wayland over Mir:
* Targets all DEs in mind
* Seems to be more thought-out in a technical standpoint
* Better multi-seat support
* A fully open source license
* Probably will be more light-weight in the end
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Originally posted by scottishduck View PostAgain, wrong. No plans for Mir migration until 14.04 at the earliest.
Originally posted by schmidtbagSupposed to get Android driver support
Wayland utilizing Android GPU drivers on glibc based systems, Part 1
Wayland utilizing Android GPU drivers on glibc based systems, Part 2
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Originally posted by BO$$ View PostConsidering how slow the development is it's clear that people have been less than invested in it. Look at how fast Mir gets developed. They announce it. Bam. They release a test version earlier than expected. Bam. Will be default faster than expected. Bam. While Wayland, we've been hearing about it since 2008-2009. Talk about development hell.
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