How is that relevant? It is illegal to rob someone. And even more so with a firearm. Besides, the vast majority of these instances occur in cities where gun ownership is illegal. Los Angeles, Chicago, New York, DC, etc. It's pretty dishonest to associate gun ownership with criminal activity.
Originally Posted by Sonadow
Do I even need to mention Mexico, where private gun ownership is illegal, but 10,000+ people are killed each year with them by violent criminals? Gun control laws only help criminals, and punish law abiding citizens.
Last edited by torsionbar28; 09-13-2013 at 12:45 PM.
Good luck with explaining it to stalinist
Originally Posted by torsionbar28
Good luck getting trained and becoming certified. Next time you can hopefully defend yourself. Sucks to have to resort to that but there has been and always will be evil. Arming yourself is a logical and legal precaution.
Originally Posted by duby229
Highly appriciable decision.Good step I like your risk taking potential and ability to analyze the situation.Thaks for the nice contribution.
I also got robbed at gun point a few weeks ago, it was in Sydney, Australia. After I gave the bastard my money, he hit me in the face, took my keys and locked me in the trunk of my car. I though I was being kidnap but he didn't drove the car away.
It took 5 hours for the shitty police to get me out of there after someone hear me knocking on the trunk.
Last edited by doggobot; 10-17-2013 at 11:51 PM.
This is all ridiculous.
In the US we have the right to own firearms, and the 99.9th percentile is responsible with them. It is an inalienable right of the people. For the political left to accomplish a ban is a matter of ignoring the constitution, passing laws they know they cannot get away with legitimately, and either buying off or blackmailing judges on the SCOTUS using NSA dossiers.
For them to enforce it is another thing. They would have to go door to door with SWAT teams, breaking in and killing those who refuse to comply. Make no mistake: Americans will fight back. You would have to MURDER families of good people, whom have done nothing wrong beyond refusing to comply with a fascistic pseudo-pacifist agenda to turn us into cattle resembling the people of the UK or Australia.
To the naysayers: disarm yourselves, you have that option. Move to a country where guns are banned if you want. But advocating banning guns here is advocating mass murder, and the only reason you can sit there guiltless with your cup of tea screaming "disarm!" is because you wont be the ones kicking down doors killing the fathers, sons and military veterans who refuse to become slaves of the state.
Last edited by kazetsukai; 11-01-2013 at 12:09 PM.
no simple solution?
I rarely ask, but for "99.9%....paperwork" I want to see some cites. Cops as a rule don't like paperwork; according to what I read, and those serving and retired cops I've spoken with, paperwork averages a shade less than an hour per day - it varies a bit with department and precinct. Some cops will avoid paperwork by not making stops or arrests depending on the infraction; others go out of their way to do just those things so they can "take a break" by going back to the shed, sitting at a desk, and going through the ordeal of filling out forms.
Originally Posted by smitty3268
Requiring a masters degree for being a cop is [deleted] b.s. - in fact no degree whatsoever is needed, unless there is a practical two-year associates on offer which dealt heavily with law, procedure, and practicum.
A problem is that if one gets people smart enough to be good cops they'd be too smart to be hired.
From http://reason.com/blog/2013/05/01/co...ople-from-beco regarding the recent ABC news story
"Jordan, a 49-year-old college graduate, took the exam in 1996 and scored 33 points, the equivalent of an IQ of 125. But New London police interviewed only candidates who scored 20 to 27, on the theory that those who scored too high could get bored with police work and leave soon after undergoing costly training.
Most Cops Just Above Normal The average score nationally for police officers is 21 to 22, the equivalent of an IQ of 104, or just a little above average."
One big problem is not intelligence per se but the training and indoctrination of today's police. On paper the coursework seems reasonable, both in a two year program and later at the academy. But the indoctrination is focussed on the practical aspects of being what amounts to an occupying military force. Effective psychological screening is largely absent, in practice, at least from I can discern; while the more obvious nut-jobs (blatant sociopaths, for instance) are mostly excluded, many of the cops I've observed and spoken with, especially in the past decade or so, are frequently not living on the same planet as I do.
There is the matter of personal safety - too many cops get killed, usually in the line of duty. But what happens is that in lieu of more effective training in being safer on the job, an institutional paranoia sets in where everyone encountered is a priori the enemy - not ten years ago I saw three cops repeatedly taser an un-armed, totally un-resisting guy of maybe 130-140 pounds, apparently for not getting onto his knees quickly enough to suit them. This is the new normal.
Many cops became cops because they truly wanted to "serve and protect." These days there's still some of that - but it's driven out by on-the-job indoctrination.
Cops are not wanted for their ability to think, reason, and deal with matters on a situational basis. They are wanted to behave robotically according to procedure. A cop can beat, maim, kill, but so long as proper procedure is followed their is usually little problem. If, however, a cop tries to deal with someone or some situation in a rational manner, as we might otherwise suppose he is supposed to, he can face censure or dismissal.
As for teachers, pay them better, respect them more, and get most parents and admin off their backs. Again, most teachers go into it because they want to help educate (_not_ indoctrinate, which is largely what our educational system has become these days) young'uns - to maybe do better than they were done to, to help 'em survive and maybe prosper in the brave new world we've built. They tend to burn out rather quickly, though; the system and our society see to that.
These and many other matters would be greatly improved if citizens did their duty as citizens, but that's been going downhill since the War. (That's WWII, for you young'uns.)
congrats on getting a gat
Having your own piece can improve your outlook - emotionally, psychologically, rationally.
Originally Posted by duby229
Be warned, however. Unless you spend twenty hours a week for a year training in CQB, with a minimum of one hour a day thereafter with an intensive two-week annual refresher, there is one guarantee only. That is the moment you are in it, somewhere between 90-99% of all your training and practice will vanish.
You will become all thumbs and mittens - you'll fumble for your weapon, like as not drop it or shoot yourself in the foot, and any skill you've acquired in point-and-shoot will enable you to hit a barn side at ten feet. Seriously. Be prepared for that. That's why many civilian shops will tell you acquire center mass over front sight and go bang bang until you're empty.
Ask anyone who's worked personal protection for Secret Service or who's done hostage rescue, heck, anyone who's been a SEAL or the like. Dudes tell me the only reason they're not full time hollering under their breath "Please God don't let me screw up!" is that they're too busy trying to get the job done and trying very, very hard not to screw up. And yes, afterwards everbody's knees turn to jelly.
So I hope everything goes well with you, and that you never have to find out.
Experience counts too
Experience also counts. You can train and train, but it's situations you've never seen before and only trained for that are most likely to get you. With the number of times I've had to defend myself with field expedient weapons, I do tend to go on autopilot and come out on top. I'm still here after resisting more armed and strong-armed robbery and gaybashing attempts than I can count them all. On the other hand, I also remember the first time I ever saw a deer-and it was from a car's drivers seat. They were not yet common and I had never seen one before, so my brain "threw an exception" and I wound up hitting the deer, thankfully too slow to smash up the car and she was able to get back up too.
Originally Posted by kermidge