Kubuntu, KDE Has Little Hope For Ubuntu's Mir

[ворот93]

if nvidia finally decided to give support only at wayland, would be very very fantastic to see the face of the egotistical ubuntu users, that doesn't understand nothing about technology and why server for graphics it's so importat, nobody care's about mir, if kde or gnome shell are concerned is because they think that exist the possibility that nvidia or amd doesn't give support for wayland, and this will be horrible for linux world. ( but I think that nvidia doesn't drop X support or free bsd support).

Well, nvidia have already stated they had no plans for wayland so...

[pandev92]

Well, nvidia has already stated they had no plans for wayland so...

It happens " As of November 2010, Nvidia has no plans to support it in their proprietary drivers."

threes years ago, the world change

[Akka]

No, no no... You don't get it. NOBODY is asking him to support MIR. Kwin is irrelevant for Canonical, and that's it. NOBODY is asking his opinion about what Canonical is doing with MIR and Unity. There's no a protocol for other desktops because there's no need. He stated already that he is not interested on MIR, and with good reason since kwin is irrelevant .

Read Mark shuttleworths blog. He wrote he was sure kde soon should run on mir some times ago.
I'm sometimes unsure if mark has any idea what his company develop... Has he any engineering background or is he some sort of businessman?

[ворот93]

No, no no... You don't get it. NOBODY is asking him to support MIR. Kwin is irrelevant for Canonical, and that's it. NOBODY is asking his opinion about what Canonical is doing with MIR and Unity. There's no a protocol for other desktops because there's no need. He stated already that he is not interested on MIR, and with good reason since kwin is irrelevant .

Canonical decided, and is a good thing in my opinion, that they can not count on third party upstream projects that don't give a shit about anything else except their own projects, for instance , gnome shell and kde. Wayland, gnome and kde don't meet their goals, why should canonical follow them? that's makes no sense.

Furthermore, i think that canonical should forget about kde and gnome for good, and somehow distance themselves even more from the old school linux distro paradigm that consist on packing loosely related, unrelated or even conflicting upstream projects

This developer should concentrate his efforts on performance, hardware compatibility and resource usage, something that he demonstrated is not very interested on . He decided to go for waylaid, well, start working on that, KWIn is going to become irrelevant anyways.

Totally agree with you. GNOME has gone crazy since 3.0, KDE is a trainwreck since 4.0 and the rest are still immature. The only polished DE out there is Unity.

[ворот93]

It happens " As of November 2010, Nvidia has no plans to support it in their proprietary drivers."

threes years ago, the world change

That's the time when everybody was behind Wayland. Now, with largest desktop Linux player ditching Wayland, plans could really change... not in favour of the latter.

[Akka]

Well, nvidia have already stated they had no plans for wayland so...

No one know what Nvidia plan to support, and what they do in the future. It's probably bad for Canonical if Nvidia choose to not support wayland as this possible means they don't plan support MIR either. In the end wayland and mir driver is both using egl with some extension. If they support one of them as I understands it (according to a canonical engineers blog) should not be a big thing to support both.

[pandev92]

red hat is the big player in corporate sector

[ворот93]

Read Mark shuttleworths blog. He wrote he was sure kde soon should run on mir some times ago.
I'm sometimes unsure if mark has any idea what his company develop... Has he any engineering background or is he some sort of businessman?

sabdfl is less focused on desktop now. He can't be arsed with paying attention to small details like support of DEs completely unrelated to Ubuntu (let's be honest, only Kubuntu mattered to some extent because of Brazil rollout)

[Akka]

That's the time when everybody was behind Wayland. Now, with largest desktop Linux player ditching Wayland, plans could really change... not in favour of the latter.

But most of the ubuntu users is kinda useless in a business perceptive. It's mostly home users with small wish to pay. If they pay it's usually to buy software for there windows installation not for the ubuntu installation they use alongside.
To this date money in the foss word come from servers, integrated systems, and workstations. Ubuntu is not dominating any of this categories.

[ворот93]

But most of the ubuntu users is kinda useless in a business perceptive. It's mostly home users with small wish to pay. If they pay it's usually to buy software for there windows installation not for the ubuntu installation they use alongside.
To this date money in the foss word come from servers, integrated systems, and workstations. Ubuntu is not dominating any of this categories.

By the time Wayland actually delivers and becomes part of RHEL we could see massive Ubuntu Server rollouts. Remember Wikipedia.