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    Default Urban Terror 4.2.010 Brings Improvements Throughout

    Phoronix: Urban Terror 4.2.010 Brings Improvements Throughout

    The Urban Terror open-source first person shooter has been updated to version 4.2.010, with the new version bringing a variety of improvements throughout the game...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTMzNDA

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    Only the engine is open source as far as I know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jumico View Post
    Only the engine is open source as far as I know.
    And when you start the installer you are asked to agree to a license which is very much not open source.

    Please read the license carefully. To continue the installation of Urban Terror you have to click on "Accept".

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    I remember they were supposedly working on Urban Terror HD, which was going to be a new, closed source commercial version with improved visuals. Whatever happened to it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bastiaan View Post
    And when you start the installer you are asked to agree to a license which is very much not open source.
    Why? Why do you use an open source software, if you didn't accept licenses?

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    Default HD is still under development

    If they ever finish it, chances are it's still at least a year away from being usable -- maybe two. They're using 4.2 to test some of their auth functionality which is a pre-cursor to their anti-cheat efforts. Or, at least, the auth is their way to enforce banning cheaters.

    Some speculate they will never finish HD. I'm not in that camp, but I do think it's going to take a long time.

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    The bigger question is, even if they finish it, will anyone be dumb enough to pay for it? If it's just the same game with better graphics it wont sell.

    The FPS market is way over served and anyone even on Linux that wanted to play a paid FPS would just use something from Valve since there are actually other people playing them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kivada View Post
    The bigger question is, even if they finish it, will anyone be dumb enough to pay for it?
    Your entire post is meaningless. It will still be free. It just won't be open source.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gbudny View Post
    Why? Why do you use an open source software, if you didn't accept licenses?
    He does not accept non-opensource license, because they are very restrictive.

    Quote Originally Posted by bastiaan View Post
    And when you start the installer you are asked to agree to a license which is very much not open source.
    The first thing you need to understand, is that Urban Terror was never opensource.
    It only used opensource engine, ioquake, which is based upon quake3 source release.

    Somehow with UrbanTerror HD they decided that they are in dire need of Quake3 and not ioquake.
    For this engine they need to use and accept Quake3 SDK license, in order to base their "mod" on it rather than ioquake.

    This is what the license you see. Nothing unexpected or necessary bad here.
    And it does not relate to cheating at all.

    However, it could be problematic for server admins.
    From the FAQ:
    What about open sourcing the server code?
    The terms of the licence we're using prevents us from doing so. Server admins will no longer be able to modify the server code.
    However, we share many of the concerns pointed out by server admins so tools for server management and customization are being developed.
    This essentially means, the server admins are unable to patch the server code if new exploits income and need to wait for upstream.

    Personally, I think that urban terror is a huge failure, both graphically, in management, as well as in dealing with cheaters.
    To understand how to do the stuff right, look at Xonotic, or AlienArena, or Warsow. They are appealing, have releases often and leave little to desire in their own genre.
    Last edited by brosis; 03-24-2013 at 09:14 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brosis View Post
    Personally, I think that urban terror is a huge failure, both graphically, in management, as well as in dealing with cheaters.
    To understand how to do the stuff right, look at Xonotic, or AlienArena, or Warsow. They are appealing, have releases often and leave little to desire in their own genre.
    First, let's be clear -- Urban Terror has never tried to be a graphical masterpiece. So calling it a failure there is just stupid.

    As far as management is concerned, it certainly seems there has been a huge lacking from 10,000 feet. When you dig deeper into the inside stories, you read about high turnover and other challenges that make it pretty much a miracle that they've had any releases at all. I'm sure there's more to it than that, but it's probably not fair to brush such a broad stroke over that. And I say this as someone that has criticized some things I've seen going on with their management.

    I can't help but notice you refer to cheaters. Do the others you mention have a solution for this? Are you aware of the auth system in 4.2 or that they are working on their own integrated anti-cheat software for HD? The auth system alone is pretty powerful for server admins to not have to be concerned that a cheater can come right back so easily after getting banned.

    There's lots to criticize Urban Terror for (at least 4.1), but I think you probably misunderstand the goals of Urban Terror.

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